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I've always loved the theory that Jia is actually Hou's wife.
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Kang isn't too shocked or awed at being Lord Lao, why should anyone else be? 
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Stroth posted:I've always loved the theory that Jia is actually Hou's wife. Also, if memory serves, going into focus while stunned makes the timer run normal, but the enemies are all slowed? I seem to remember that, but it's been a literal decade since I played this game.
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Psion posted:A few other things. For anyone wondering if Doc is overselling Jade Golem style: No. It literally invalidates every other transform we've seen in the game so far by a huge margin. It's not literal invincibility but it is astonishing damage output while your chi lasts. The big thing about it is that it does not get staggered. No matter what the enemy's doing, you can continue putting out your damage without interruption.
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Episode 36: The Imperial Palace ------ Last time, we killed Grand Inquisitor Jia and every other Lotus Assassin in the fortress, and narrowly escaped Death's Hand thanks to Sagacious Zu sacrificing himself to buy us time. Before Jia died, she told us the Emperor is actually behind the creation of the golem army, and Silk Fox has decided to head for the Imperial Palace and learn the truth from her father.   Floating in the skies over the Imperial City, the palace is quite a spectacular sight. Obviously, it's heavily guarded as well, and if Silk Fox hadn't told Kang to attach flags bearing the royal seal to the Dragonfly, we'd have no chance whatsoever of getting in there.  As it is, we're easily able to find a nice landing spot for our flyer.  Something's a bit different about Silk Fox, I see. Naturally, she has no reason to disguise herself in her own home, so the veil has come off.  That doesn't look or sound good for Wild Flower. Maybe something in the palace is making Ya Zhen stronger.   Yep, Ya Zhen's about ready to possess Wild Flower completely. No matter what Silk Fox says, I think we should maybe do something about this. But what can we even do to help in such a situation?    Then come, we must face him inside the girl's spirit.I'm sure this will work out somehow.   This whole fight can be avoided if you never interact with Ya Zhen at all, but I wanted to show him off in the LP so here we are (I think the fight makes for a more satisfying conclusion to her personal quest, anyway). If the fight is skipped, you just get a scene with Silk Fox knocking out a servant.   Oh, good. If Chai Ka is as useless in this fight as he was the last time we took him with us, our spirit is doomed.  Honestly though, I don't know if Chai Ka actually can die in the duel. He's not an active companion here, and we can't see his health or anything.  Ya Zhen (whom the HUD is calling "Yazhen" for some reason) is really just a reskin of a toad demon, so this fight is quite straightforward.  Just watch out for poison and his charge attack.   Ya Zhen.  She will not know what happened here, only that it was important, that the darkness is gone, and that you are to thank for it. Despite its appearance, Guardian's Strength is not an essence gem but a technique (+5 to health and chi). I'm pretty sure that icon was originally meant for a gem, since only gems normally have round icons like that.   I don't think I've ever shown it off before now, but Chai Ka tends to do this kung-fu pose when he talks through Wild Flower.   I am glad to see that Wild Flower appears well. It must have been a very disturbing experience. No more than our own if we don't keep moving. Yes, while you were... elsewhere, a servant tried to warn me against entering my *own* home! We need to confront my father as soon as possible. I must hear it from my father's mouth. I must hear how he explains all these lies, the golems. Death's Hand... all of it. You go ahead, but only take one other with you. The rest should guard the rear and only fight if needed. I do not want a full war within these sacred walls.Taking Silk Fox along is the obvious option in this situation.  That said, you don't have to take her with you, she'll show up to spout exposition when she needs to. Still, might as well bring her along.  The Chapter 4 intro appears after the discussion with Silk Fox, and I figured I'd leave it in its original place this time instead of putting it at the start of the update like I did in the last two chapters.  Now, before we proceed, let's just have a quick word with all our party members.  I wish we could have visited the palace under better circumstances. I feel like an invader in the heart of my own land. Let's keep moving. I thought there'd be more half-dressed serving girls with bowls of wine and food. What kind of Emperor doesn't have serving girls? Let's get going. Maybe he keeps the good stuff farther in. We should keep moving. It would be most impolite to miss an appointment with the Emperor himself. I can't believe we're actually inside the Emperor's palace. I must admit, I feel as though I'm trespassing... like I don't belong here. Perhaps the Emperor can give me some courage... I seem to have lost mine. Somehow I missed this bit of dialog with Hou in the previous chapter. I have no clue when it became available, because I checked up on our party members quite regularly in Chapter 3 and this was not there the last time I did so.  Some say there are spirits out there that masquerade as people, and I suspect she may be one of them. She has my soul, and there's nothing I can do about it.Well, I suppose that's possible, since some spirits like Aishi the Mournful Blade's ghost dad are able to take human form... somehow. I still don't know how that works.   Still, I put my arm in a sling and was continuing on my way when I was run down by a rogue bun cart. When I came to, my wife had returned and was in a foul mood. Apparently, everyone she had visited died from food poisoning. But why not her? I mean, I'm sure she ate at least one of the buns I sent.  To be honest, I'm slightly more worried about Hou attempting to murder his wife with poisoned buns.  Well, not after that story, that's for sure.  Wild Flower and Chai Ka have nothing interesting to say.    Good luck. If you succeed at whatever it is you are doing, maybe later we can do some loops.Huh, I guess I was mistaken when I said the end of chapter 3 is the point of no return for sidequests, because it seems Kang is more than happy to take us out of here at any time. I knew you could still go to the furnace in chapter 4, but forgot he still offers the fast-travel option as well. Eh, whatever. We don't need to worry about that anyway, since we're done with sidequests.  All right. Time to head through this ludicrously huge door and make our way to the Emperor.  This room has two focus shrines but not much else of interest, so let's keep moving.   I wonder if that lady is the servant who got clobbered by Silk Fox while we were fighting Ya Zhen. It certainly looks like she might have been telling the guards about intruders in the palace.   So much for the quiet approach.   Going up the stairs, we run into more soldiers and are soon joined by a group of Lotus Assassins.  That's nothing we can't handle. After killing everybody, we take a look at the two bookstands in the room.  This one completes a book set, giving us a technique called Inner Peace (Chi+4).  The other book just has some information about the Lotus Monks before they became Lotus Assassins. They obviously weren't a nice bunch in the first place, but maybe Zu was right and they used to have some honor before they went full cartoon villain under Death's Hand.  That's that, moving on. This section of the game is very linear.    Taking the elevator up puts us close to the throne room.  Well, this obviously isn't the throne room just yet, but it has to be close. The path appears to lead to some kind of a courtyard.  I doubt Silk Fox minds us... err, damaging these soldiers.   There's a focus shrine and a spirit font here, but we're more interested in the giant door.    Khor Miah the Swift Arrow--Defender of the First Age and commander of the borderlands during the Horselord incursions. Seng Si the Broken Bough, the first woman to rule openly. She changed more in a single valiant battle than many others did with entire campaigns.Interesting. Anything else?  I can see at least one problem with those tombs, especially Sun Li's.  That is what you said he told you, but here is the tomb of the Glorious Strategist before you. Is this all a lie? No... they have been sealed for twenty years. I don't have any more proof than what was announced to the people.Sealed, huh? Quite convenient. The Emperor probably said something along the lines of "Sun Li and Sun Kin were traitors to the Empire, and as such their tombs shall be forever sealed to hold their eternal shame" and that was that. I'm sure nobody would doubt that at the time, especially since the Emperor had just ended the Long Drought and seemingly could do no wrong at that point.  Silk Fox is really starting to accept that something sinister is going on around here.  And your next question will be, "What is in there if the brothers aren't?" I can't say, but my father will explain everything. He has to. But... your conviction is disturbing. I will definitely bring this up with my father when we confront him. We are close to the throne room. The longer we take, the more questions I have.According to Master Li, Sun Kin fell at Dirge. That matches the story the Emperor told the public, at least.   One more bookstand along the way, this one features the official version of the events at Dirge and the aftermath.  And one last fight before we reach the throne room.   I... I don't know what my father has done, or what his reaction will be, but I want you to know something. I... I've never cared for someone like this before. Not for any man... or woman for that matter. We have to face my father and find out what has happened... what he has done. If we still can, afterwards, let's find what we truly mean to each other.Well, we have all the time in the world.   I can only hope that my father has been the victim in this. I pray he has the answers I seek. The fate of the Empire depends on it.Dawn Star and Sky are like "oh for gently caress's sake you two, why do you have to do this now". But with that wonderful BioWare romance dialog out of the way, it's time we enter the throne room and confront the Emperor.  VIDEO: The Throne Room (the rest of this update is in the video, and I strongly recommend watching it)     I am the eldest and, therefore, the Emperor! I have you at a disadvantage, and yet you toy with me. What do you know, Glorious Strategist? Where is the Spirit Monk amulet? You will find out soon enough, brother. Father! Silk Fox's outfit is not really common garb in the Jade Empire, but whatever.  Don't lecture me. Master Li's student brought me evidence from the Lotus Assassin fortress. You allowed Death's Hand to corrupt the Empire. Hello!   Brother Li, did you plant the seeds for this fool to come here? Layers upon layers. Always the Glorious Strategist. You know, I think Silk Fox may have figured both of these out by now.  I don't blame you for your foolishness. What can you possibly know? The Emperor is the manifestation of divine power. That is your role as figurehead. How could you betray the people? Your greed has unsettled the whole of the Empire. The dead no longer sleep!  They are unimportant.   It takes more than a handful of Lotus Assassins to stop us, you know.  Check out Dawn Star in the T-pose back there. They really didn't do a very good job optimizing this game for widescreen, did they?  Welp, that might stop us for a sec.  Whatever that energy blast from him was, it was powerful enough to knock down everyone except Wu.  Also, it turns out the Emperor is a spirit that has been masquerading as a human. Well, he does have the power of the Water Dragon, so it's no wonder he can pull off something like this. It did seem a bit odd when he looked 30 years younger than Master Li despite being the eldest of the Sun brothers, but this'll explain that as well.   I'm going to hazard a guess that the crystal he's got embedded in his chest cavity is the source of his power. Judging from this bit of dialog, Sun Hai wasn't in great health at the time of Dirge, and I wouldn't be surprised if wanting to live forever as a God-Emperor was the main reason he went through with it in the first place. The fact the Long Drought ended was probably just the icing on that particular cake for him.   Yeah, that is enough evil monologuing for today.  Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this last time, but we gained another two gem slots when we found the third part of the amulet. That brings us up to seven slots.   Do you even know what you hold, child? What truly led you here?  What did Li tell you? That I murdered your people and caused the restless dead? Side effects! Afterthoughts! This is about power, and I will add yours to what I have stolen! Even if you are impervious to my sorcery, it changes nothing. I am a god! Come, student of Li! Your quest for death is at an end!Well, he certainly doesn't lack for confidence. I mean, he is the God-Emperor, so that is understandable.   Sun Hai isn't going to bother with us just yet, though, instead sending a bunch of soldiers and Lotus Assassins to do the job for him.   These guys are not that tough, but the fight is still quite challenging because of the sheer numbers. When you kill the soldiers, more will appear (sometimes materializing out of thin air) in their place and this goes on for some time.  Eventually, however, they're all done and we can follow Sun Hai further into the throne room.  Your defiance grows tiresome, student of Li. You must learn your place in the order of things. And apparently this idiot is going to teach us? Nice dance moves, nerd.  These masked gentlemen are Lotus Assassin Masters. They've got a lot more HP than their lesser brethren and hit a little harder as well, but...    ...they die just like all the rest.  After the fight, we can check one of the nearby jars for Warrior of the Infinite Spirit, a technique adding +7 Chi and +1 Charm.  I just wanted to show off the description for Guardian's Strength because it's kind of nice.   Right. Maybe now our self-styled God-Emperor will bother to actually fight us instead of sending more of his useless goons to get slaughtered at our hands.  Very well, I will face you myself! No matter your destiny, you will fall here today!We shall see about that.  The Emperor uses a variety of fighting styles. Here he's starting off with Tempest, naturally missing by about a mile because we're not about to get hit by a lone enemy's long-range projectiles at this point.  The gimmick of this fight is that the Emperor is immune to the kind of style he's currently using himself. So, if he switches to Viper, Leaping Tiger won't work because martial styles won't have any effect until he changes to other kinds of styles.  And that's about it, really. The Emperor's got quite a bit of health, but once you have the fight's gimmick figured out it shouldn't be too difficult to wear the guy down.  When you get his health low enough, Sun Hai is shown powering up (or something) in this extremely brief cutscene.   It doesn't seem to affect the fight itself in any way, though. Sun Hai keeps using the same styles and doesn't hit any harder or become more resilient (at least not noticeably so), so I'm not sure what the deal was there.  And thus ends the reign of Emperor Sun Hai. I think. Since he's a spirit, won't he be able to come back after a while, or did we just kill him super dead with our badass Spirit Monk skills?  Master Li seems to have recovered from that energy blast we saw earlier, good to see it didn't do any lasting damage.   That crystal must have been the actual source of Sun Hai's power.   Perhaps Master Li can explain to us what the crystal actually does and how it's related to the Water Dragon. Maybe he'll also explain everything regarding his capture.   Everything has gone as it should. I can see that, my student.  Of course she remembers, why wouldn't she? After all, the relationship between Master Li and Wu is much closer than just the usual mentor-student kind, as he was the closest thing to a father Wu had for all those years and she surely remembers everything Master Li ever taught her.  ...?!       You may remember the "flaw" in Wu's fighting style several characters thought they saw but couldn't nail down. Well, it wasn't just Wu being an awesome kung-fu hero who's been trained to bait people into seeing false openings.   Indeed, it turns out the Glorious Strategist has been playing us all along. Like a drat fiddle, as another Master once said.      This right here is obviously what Sun Li had planned for his student... from the very beginning.  ------ DMorbid fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Well, that was fun. What are you LPing next?
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I was already doing Persona 2: Innocent Sin on the side (what could possibly go wrong with doing two concurrent SSLPs of big-rear end RPGs with a billion lines of dialog), so I guess I'll be working on that and maybe updating a bit more often.
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Finally, one of my favourite story segments in gaming  It's a damned sight better than the 'YOU ARE REVAN!!!1!' twist from KotOR at least, let me tell you.
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I love this payoff so much. Glorious Strategist, indeed.
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It's so narratively satisfying. I love it.
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I had actually completely forgotten that twist. It comes along really well.
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So... poo poo: meet fan. Man, this place- the imperial palace, the Emperor, even the bit with Cha Kai- you know it;'s all climaxing into something big, and big it was... and then the hand is tipped. All the game, you've heard that your style is second to none, but for one flaw that cannot be defined... this was brought up again and again (So many times, I wonder if the foreshadowing was too heavy, as it was brought up more times than I remember, but then I've played this game and no what to look for- what do the fresh eyes think? Was it mentioned enough for you to be suspicious?) , and you think it was because your Master Li was doing you a solid, protecting you from harm. That he just needed to get you where he wants you doesn't even occur until it's too late...
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I can only speak for myself but it completely got me the first time. KOTOR's moment was much, much less subtle than this one. Of course I'm a martial arts hyperbadass who fakes out enemies completely with my totally awesome and unique style taught to me b----ohhhhhhhh.
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Sun Li, you dick. This moment caught me completely by surprise my first playthrough. It's part of what really makes this game special, despite its shortcomings.
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It feels like the flaw is mentioned enough that you go "OH poo poo, THAT WAS IT" when it happens, but not that it's heavily hammered on. Because everyone else who brings it up seems to mention it as a potential strength.
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PurpleXVI posted:It feels like the flaw is mentioned enough that you go "OH poo poo, THAT WAS IT" when it happens, but not that it's heavily hammered on. Because everyone else who brings it up seems to mention it as a potential strength. Same here- until the twist came, I thought it was a gameplay explanation for why you were able to defeat all these experienced masters and stuff. Sure, there was some Spirit Monk mojo at play, but you kept kicking rear end because everyone tried to take advantage of your weakness that wasn't one.
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Psion posted:I can only speak for myself but it completely got me the first time. KOTOR's moment was much, much less subtle than this one. Of course I'm a martial arts hyperbadass who fakes out enemies completely with my totally awesome and unique style taught to me b----ohhhhhhhh. Interesting. KotOR was one of the first wRPGs I ever played, and my play sessions tended to be several days apart. I didn't put the pieces together until the game started giving me flashbacks to all the foreshadowing, and a few seconds before the big reveal, I finally figured it out. It was definitely memorable for me. I did a nostalgia playthrough a few years ago, and... yeah, it's *really* obvious now. Makes me wonder how I was so oblivious. Of course, I was younger and dumber and not at all familiar with Bioware-isms. Speaking of which, this LP has been my first exposure to the game, and I figured our mentor had ulterior motives. The fact that his nickname was "Glorious Strategist" seemed pretty on-the-nose. Also, Bioware is fond of the "your friend/mentor has betrayed/misled you!" bit: Baldur's Gate 2, KotOR, DA:O, even Neverwinter Nights. So there you have it. I do admit that past here, I'm not really sure. My prediction is that Master Li will turn out to be a good guy after all, but we don't know the rules of the game he's playing yet. He ganked us because we're unknowingly threatening something, or else it's more just-as-planned poo poo. I really don't know, but I'm looking forward to finding out!
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Li wanted us out of the way, so now we are. I respect a dude who can limit himself to, like, five seconds of gloating right at the moment of truth.
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I like that some of the previous dialog options allow you to tug the thread, so to speak, without giving it away completely. Because yeah maybe this is kind of weird but he's your master/dad! He must have your best interests at heart!
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Honestly, even with knowing Bioware's love of Sudden but inevitable betrayal tropes, this one took me off guard. I half-expected the gem to corrupt/influence Sun Li, not Sun Li setting us up for a fall.
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Glazius posted:Li wanted us out of the way, so now we are. I respect a dude who can limit himself to, like, five seconds of gloating right at the moment of truth. He's certainly efficient, it's true.
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EggsAisle posted:Interesting. KotOR was one of the first wRPGs I ever played, and my play sessions tended to be several days apart. I didn't put the pieces together until the game started giving me flashbacks to all the foreshadowing, and a few seconds before the big reveal, I finally figured it out. It was definitely memorable for me. I don't think it's a problem if KOTOR took you off guard, especially if it was one of the first games in the genre you played. Genre awareness is half the answer to spotting these things in advance, after all. For me the key difference is KOTOR has you start as a blank slate soldier or scoundrel or whatever, which is commented on pretty blatantly, who then of course becomes a Jedi and has a bond with another Jedi you've presumably never met before Taris and she's got a pre-existing connection to Revan. And the plot tokens - I mean, uh, star maps - respond to you. Those dots aren't hard to connect if you know to look for them. Sure, you're clearly the PC, and that means chosen character of destiny, but... In this, the twist is much like how they write Li: layers on layers. You're a good martial artist, taught by the best. You're also a spirit monk, a super special martial artist. You've also got techniques nobody else can match, an amulet powering up your latent spirit monk badass-ness, and then there's this odd flaw people comment on that never, ever does anything to slow you down. Any one of these could explain why people can't quite figure out your skills, or even better, some combination. But actually...
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Glazius posted:Li wanted us out of the way, so now we are. I respect a dude who can limit himself to, like, five seconds of gloating right at the moment of truth. You don't get to be the Glorious Strategist if you don't figure out that you gotta keep your gloating too short for your enemies to exploit.
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That twist blindsided me the first time I played this.  Li, that's cold. I respect the hustle, there, but that's hosed up.  Well, I guess we'll get a cinematic of him taking over the empire or some poo poo and how that goes for everyone involved. At least we got Bioware foreshadowing gay I suppose you're going to have a separate update for the credits and wrap-up. Great LP, Doc Morbid! Better  this thread up, people.
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The Emperor never uses a transformation style, so if you haven't been using Jade Golem much, this could be your first time getting a real grasp on its power. I wanted to link an article breaking down Li's plans and how good the twist is, but it goes slightly beyond the end of this update :/
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Robindaybird posted:Honestly, even with knowing Bioware's love of Sudden but inevitable betrayal tropes, this one took me off guard. This one is especially notable because it's a long con. A really long con. A 'I rescued you and took you in as a baby and taught you martial arts that specifically has flaws only I can actually exploit so you can beat up my big brother who's a giant jerkface and keeping all of the power to himself' long.
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EponymousMrYar posted:This one is especially notable because it's a long con. A really long con. A 'I rescued you and took you in as a baby and taught you martial arts that specifically has flaws only I can actually exploit so you can beat up my big brother who's a giant jerkface and keeping all of the power to himself' long. When immortal godhood in on the line, fifteen to twentyish years really isn't that much to ask for setup.
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It's not over yet! We'll haunt the palace as a ghost and put too much salt in all his meals. 
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Somehow I suspect he knocked Wu out, not killed her. That, or Wu doesn't die because either spirit monk shenanigans or water dragon shenanigans. Oh, and this is probably what the water dragon was talking about when she said that stuff about "an enemy we didn't know was an enemy" or whatever it was, isn't it?
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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IT WAS ME FANTASY CHINA It was me all along!
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Makes you wonder about Gao the Lesser, how much was he used? Surely the great strategist included him in his plans. Not just revealing himself so the pirates would come and kidnap him but also during all those years of training. Way back Dawnstar made a comment on how Gao's punishments never corrected his behavior and surely that must have been intentional as well. All according to plan.
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:IT WAS ME FANTASY CHINA Aw, son of a bitch!
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:IT WAS ME FANTASY CHINA This one never gets old.
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:IT WAS ME FANTASY CHINA Vote Angry Old Man stare for Fantasy China Dynast, 1956.
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Makes everything with Hui the Brave extra lovely too, since she had to wait in that podunk town for literal decades until his child assassin showed up and for what? A power grab.
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You forget the part where, if we hadn't showed up, she'd still be there waiting. There's a disturbing implication that there could be other trainers out there we simply never met, who will be eternally waiting for us to arrive and we never will.
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Veyrall posted:You forget the part where, if we hadn't showed up, she'd still be there waiting. given one of the big things a good tactician does is to account for every possibility - he probably would, in case his chosen weapon chose to go a roundabout way.
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Raise your hand if you think the game is ACTUALLY over.
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Siegkrow posted:Raise your hand if you think the game is ACTUALLY over. *Glances around the room* *Slowly starts to raise hand* TBH if I had the time and skill, I'd do a photoshop with Wu waking up on the bridge of the starting ship from KOTOR, Carth yelling at her to escape
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