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CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

I cast my vote for the insurgent factions! With this much interest, why not ditch the AI and let goons play against each other?

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CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

MikeCrotch posted:

I think its clear that people want to let chaos reign and go for all four factions here - I'll start taking sign ups for specific factions now, but if anyone wants to vote for playing vs the ai pipe up and we'll see which has more support.

History will absolve me! Sign me up for M26, whether against people or AI.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

##Play Event, place 2 guerillas in Havana, place 1 guerilla in piñar del rio

I third this.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

We need to get more guerrillas on the map soon, but resources will be tight for everyone since we know this will be a long turn.

So I agree that Terror + Kidnap (in the regions outlined above) is currently our best option.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Comrades, my belief in our next move is all but certain, but I'll refrain from sharing it until we see how current events unfold.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Comrades, the people are ready to heed our call. Let us raise the rallying cry across the countryside, from Sierra Maestra to Matanzas! In Las Villas, even some of the police are ready to abandon the tyrant.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Are we fighting for a free Santiago or fighting for a free Cuba?

Seriously, Santiago is a quagmire. We could squabble over it endlessly while our forces are reduced to a tiny cadre in the mountains. I'd rather set the foundation for bases nationwide and prepare to flip as much of the countryside as we can to Active Opposition before the Pact of Caracas drops.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

You realize we can rally in Matanzas, Las Villas, Camaguey, Oriente and Sierra Maestra, right? And infiltrate Las Villas, granting us 7 guerillas, 4 regions to terrorize and lay the groundwork for bases, while removing 1 police? While also removing control of 3 regions from all of our opponents?

CaptainRightful fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Dec 7, 2016

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

AW HELL YEAH

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Time to spread the revolution from coast to coast. Take that event!

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Out of curiousity, is it legal to say something like "I am choosing to Rally in 0 spaces and Subvert <some province>?" Or do you have to actually target a space with your op to use the special activity?

The rules say:

"When a Faction per the Event Card sequence of play executes an Operation in at least 1 space, it may also execute 1 type of its Special Activities (Exception: Limited Operations)."

You can, however, execute most Special Activities before, after, or any time in the middle of your Operations.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

We're in a tight spot right now, but rallying a second base into Sierra Maestra is safe and helps us in the long run.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Let's do a card count before deciding. I think we've had about a dozen events since the last Propaganda, so I'm not sure we'll get another turn in before the next one.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

Well, we don't wanna give away the event if we don't take it, so let's consider that as well. We could op and no sa?

E: it's turn twelve. Twelve cards played (counting current), so the next seen could be the prop card. A base will help us with resources afterward, and we can only Terror in three locations at present. Still, terror everywhere isn't a bad way to go, as it will cost money to remove.

Giving up that event barely scratches us, since it's so easy to regain. Terror everywhere gives us 4 points and limits DR rallying a bit, and a Kidnap gives us a 67% chance for the turn to be free or profitable. Either the Syndicate or Government will lose a few resources (as well as a casino) and they'll have to spend even more to gain support during the next Propaganda. And there's a decent chance that all our guerrillas will flip back underground before they get removed.

All that said, taking the event is a
less risky choice that sets up a nice big rally.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

We can't actually kidnap because we're not in cities, ECs, or on a casino. So it would only be an op, no sa.

Oh yeah, duh. The Syndicate just knocked us out of Pinar.

Let's take the event in Las Villas.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Agreed on Terror in Las Villas.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

How can Syndicate march from Las Villas to Oriente? Is that a typo?

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

Ok, Rally, for one guerilla each, in
  • Sierra Maestra
  • Oriente
  • Camaguey Province
  • Las Villas
  • Matanzas
Then infiltrate in Las Villas


I agree with this plan.

Regarding the previous dispute, it wasn't just killing a single guerrilla, it was driving us out of a territory and removing opposition. While it may have seemed an immediately helpful move for DR, it was still a provocation. But they already paid for their folly--I doubt they would have chosen control of Oriente if they knew it would mean losing La Habana.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Crazycryodude posted:

Because it was reasonable to expect that we could hold La Habana with all those gov't forces on every possible approach? (This is a serious question, not trying to be a dick - I have no idea how to play this game)

I'm just saying you took a gamble by Ambushing us and rolling against the Government, and you lost the roll. It was not an unreasonable gamble, but it ended up hurting you both materially and politically.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

HannibalBarca posted:

hey M26 mass rally in a city real quick

You first!

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Not saying you should march into an EC immediately, but aside from the resources they net you during Propaganda rounds, those are good spots to stash Cash markers for extra LimOps or free casinos, since they are less likely to get stolen than if they're in a province or city.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

That's a treading water move, but I can't think of a better LimOp right now.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Later COIN games recommend seeding the deck: shuffle into 12 piles, then shuffle 1 Propaganda/Coup/Winter/etc. card into the 3rd, 6th, 9th, and 12th piles, then stack the piles in order. This prevents an early Prop or 2 in rapid succession.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

I agree. Directorio will obviously also pass, the only question is whether they'll deny us the capability (and whether we mind that).

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Crazycryodude posted:

Yes, they surely won't take the event that gives them +10 Aid so close to Propaganda. No chance at all.

Setting a city to neutral hurts them far more than you understand.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

This is a pretty strong capability since it allows us to flip guerrillas underground even in provinces and cities that don't have a base. Since no one is about to win the game during the next Propaganda round, I don't see any reason we shouldn't take this event.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

I propose an alternative: march into the central EC with 1 guerrilla from Camaguey. This costs us nothing and denies 3 resources to both the Government and the Syndicate.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

Then we essentially lose the option to rally in Las Villas. I'm not opposed to denying our enemies things, but it also doesn't gain us anything.

Well, it would cost the Government 8 resources to get to Passive Support during the Propaganda round, which we can undo with Terror for 1 resource. I'm not sure they'll want to blow more than half their budget for the entire campaign just to get a single province to Active Support to deny us the ability to rally there for a few more rounds--particularly if they have to also spend money getting us off their EC before we can kidnap.

Does the Government even view us as their primary threat right now? The Syndicate is very close to victory and Directorio are not far behind them.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

If we recall 1 more, we can gain control of Las Villas and then Agitate during the Propaganda round.

CaptainRightful fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jan 10, 2017

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Take the event in Matanzas. It expands our options for future rallies better than Camaguey would.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Havana just got set to neutral, the Syndicate and Directorio are 2 and 3 VPs from victory, and you want to blow your resources on the Las Villas quagmire? Might as well just concede the game.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

If they plan for it (and we let them), the Syndicate's resources could skyrocket on the next Propaganda round. But you guys are right that Directorio are currently the most likely to reach their victory condition before the next Prop.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Pass, of course.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Agreed. Take the capability.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

We can terrorize any neutral provinces, the DR cannot remove any opposition. Not the other way around. Every neutral province can go to active oppose, the DR can't touch it unless they remove two bases.

This is not quite accurate. According to Volko, 26 July cannot conduct Terror in any space with Passive Opposition. And DR cannot Subvert in any province with any opposition even if they want to just do it for the resources.

So the pact places restrictions on both factions. With the current board state, it's not that great for 26 July since only a single province is already at Active Opposition, meaning we'd have to rely on Agitation to push any single space beyond Passive.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad for us, just that it's not the ultimate "26 July fucks over DR" event that it might appear to be.


Gutter Owl posted:

...huh.

Learn something new every day.

While COIN rules are not always immediately clear, they are always precise: "affect placed Opposition" being the key phrase on the card. Volko and Oerjan's phrasing gets easier to parse after you pore over the bot flowcharts for a few hours.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Same

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

Hey syndicate, if you don't, we will rally into DR spaces on the next turn. We also won't come after your casinos until at least the next propaganda.

You mean the next turn after we take this event, right? Syndicate, you would get an Ops + SA this turn.

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Why not march all the guerrillas from Las Villas into Matanzas, flipping them underground. Let the government beg for money to kill our base if they really want, we'll be setting up for future turns rather than wasting our time going nowhere in Las Villas.

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CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005

Lord Frisk posted:

If we're not gonna protect Las Villas, why don't we rally a dude into Havana? Just leave the guys there to be removed as a pain in the rear end for the government?

That works for me.

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