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Iowa beat the holy hell out of Nebraska and I watched with my grandpa and it was very fun! Congrats to Mike Riley for getting his team back to the level of Nebraska Coaching Legend Bo Pelini, I'm sure they fanbase will be very happy and understanding. Also OSU has more good wins than pretty much anyone in the country and their only loss was to another very good team in a game where they outgained them but lost on a blocked kick, they should definitely be in. The Big Ten divisions are very stupid (but also should remain the same forever because Iowa was a Minnesota collapse away from inexplicably tying for one of them)
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pillsburysoldier posted:An interesting factor in the FSU dynamic is that Dalvin constantly swears his brother is way better than him at the same age this has been said about every younger sibling of a good player ever
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Nov 27, 2016 17:21
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that navy line seems really low to me but I guess i haven't watched a ton of temple recently
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Nov 27, 2016 19:57
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Hawaii is going bowling yall That seriously is amazing, they looked like they were going to be in the running for worst FBS team going into the year. Iowa is somehow ranked again! I have no idea how that happened but yaaay
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Nov 27, 2016 20:16
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:That seems low to me too considering Temple got rolled by Army to start the year. They have been playing a lot better recently, so hopefully they figured out the triple option by now Navy's offense has also quietly been one of the best in the country, especially for the last month or so. I know it's hard to commit to the triple option but I really hope someone gives their OC a look for HC job this offseason. They are a thing of beauty when they're really humming, and they have been this year, despite losing their best QB since, like, Staubach.
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Nov 27, 2016 20:24
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DrunkPanda posted:How the hell is Nebraska still ranked? Above an Iowa team that just beat them by 30 in one poll. Although Iowa being ranked is also weird. There are not very many good teams this year
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Nov 27, 2016 21:15
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Michigan fans thinking that it's bad to aspire to be a program that wins lots of national title actually explains a lot. Like why they loved Bo so much.
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AsInHowe posted:This seems weird now, but Bo's main goal was to win the Big Ten, and did not really care about national titles. The philosophy was to play a ton of hard teams in the preseason, the Big Ten season was the real season, and the goal at the end was to win the conference and play in the Rose Bowl. (Not win the Rose Bowl, play in the Rose Bowl.) Lmao
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I distinctly remember you saying something similar. Not so much about not caring abut natty's but how the Rose Bowl was the only thing that matters for a long time because The B1G was full of morons I've said it was better than winning a championship a bunch of times but it's as a (I assumed obvious but here we are) joke. I do genuinely think that the Rose Bowl is extremely cool and it's probably pretty close to the most realistic upper bound of what Iowa can do, but that doesn't mean I actually think it's secretely better than being an Alabama or OSU level program. MourningView fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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Nov 28, 2016 07:27
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Regnevelc posted:Didn't Coach O sell LSU on bringing Kiffin in as OC? Thats reportedly who he plans to go after but Kiffin has a really good job already and will probably have a chance at yet another HC job somewhere if he wants it.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:32
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Goddammit the CUSA title game (which will have like 150 combined points and be the best championship game) is on at 9am pacific/noon eastern. Counterprogram the trash-rear end SEC Title game with that poo poo, ESPN, come on.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:36
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DJExile posted:Overall, yeah, but far as I can tell they always weighted conference championships the most heavily. The playoff has existed for two years it is maybe a little early to say that they've "always" done anything. This year's OSU team has a way better resume that the 2014 TCU team that everyone is using to make this point
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Nov 28, 2016 21:27
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mastershakeman posted:let OSU in but only on the condition they renounce their 2014 championship as unjust since TCU should've gotten in over them by this year's criteria This year's OSU team has beaten much better teams than that TCU team did MourningView fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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I think there's a pretty easy argument to make that they're still the best team in their division/conference when you look at the season as a whole
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Nov 29, 2016 00:39
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LeeMajors posted:I'm firmly in the Conference Champions Only camp. assuming a team is better because of one game also seems dumb to me. is penn state worse than Pitt? Or for that matter why is Penn State better than a Michigan team that demolished them?
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Looking at the season as a whole rather than one game does not really seem super controversial to me. OSU beat 3 teams in the Top 8 and another in the Top 25. They lost to another Top 8 team on the road, on a flukey blocked kick in a game where they probably on balance the better team. Penn State beating OSU is one data point to consider, but it doesn't need to be the only one. That's being overly simplistic and needlessly naive about how sports work. The better team doesn't necessarily win any given game Penn State is only in the conference title game because the borderline top 25 team they lost to (Pitt) is in the ACC while the borderline Top 25 team Michigan lost to (Iowa) was in the Big Ten. That doesn't really seem to have anything to do with how they rank in college football as a whole. College football has over 100 teams and a 12 game season. At some point if you're gonna try to decide a champion you're gonna have to make some subjective judgements that go beyond head to head.
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Nov 29, 2016 02:22
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R.D. Mangles posted:the undefeated has a 12 million word feature on Lovie i can't read this because every time I see the title my eyes roll uncontrollably
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If Iowa hadn't beaten Michigan, OSU is in the conference title game. It feels like Ohio State should not be ineligible for the national title because Iowa's punter had a really good game
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Marquis de Pyro posted:This is one of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen. I mean, obviously Ohio State is one of the top 4 teams in the country, but they're not in the title game because they lost to Penn State and thus lost a head to head tiebreaker. My whole point is that any one single data point shouldn't be the determining factor and that you need to consider the season in its entirety
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Nov 29, 2016 03:25
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Sash! posted:I will never argue whether or not Penn State or Wisconsin deserves to get into the playoff based on being Big Ten Champion. It's that it sounds ridiculous to say Ohio State's the better team so they get to go and despite the fact that they didn't win the enough games, thus directly challenging that they're "better." Why? Teams lose to worse teams all the time. Penn State let Pitt run for like 700 yards on them and lost. Alabama lost to Ole Miss last year and then won the title. Michigan beat Penn State by 39 and then lost to an Iowa team that Penn State beat by 27. One game samples are not as clean and perfect as we want them to be, and throwing out the rest of the season because of one blocked kick is dumb. Penn State getting run all over by a middling ACC team or OSU blowing the door off the probable Big XII champion obviously don't matter in terms of who wins the Big Ten, but I'm not sure why that means we should also ignore them when it comes to deciding the champion of the whole sport. MourningView fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 15:48
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Regnevelc posted:lmao - this is awesome No wait i actually agree with this. Only count what happened recently. Iowa to the Rose Bowl again woooo.
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Regnevelc posted:We need to study their 4th quarter offense first. I know they definitely scored at least 3 points
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Nov 29, 2016 15:56
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LeeMajors posted:I don't think anyone is explicitly saying you're disqualified with a bad loss. I know I'm not saying that, although it happens to be true of the Ohio St deal this year w the tiebreaker loss to PSU. Because the nation is bigger than just that division and we can count things that happened outside the conference. It's not like Ohio State was awful in conference play, they (barely) lost one game. Same as most of the other teams in playoff contention. Their division just had more good teams than most.
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Regnevelc posted:Why are you so mean? Look I spent most of the season watching my team be trash and will probably watch them get crushed in a bowl game, let me enjoy myself now that they're suddenly doing good things
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It stops feeling dirty if you take like 10 seconds to look at the specifics of the situation rather than just going "no conference title=NO" automatically without putting any further thought into it.
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vyst posted:Not really if you actually consider the power 5 bias for teams that hold a championship game The what? Are you talking about 2014 TCU? Because like i said those are different situations
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Jalen Hurts against even a bad NFL secondary would get really ugly, but I don't think anyone here seriously buys the Bama against a NFL team thing so this is all very much preaching to the choir
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Nov 29, 2016 19:27
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DJExile posted:People are hung up on the sandusky thing both because it was a sickening crime and because the PSU fanbase is still such a loving cult for Paterno that they still refuse to believe he did any wrong. they literally had a Joe Paterno appreciation day this season
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Rad Valtar posted:So I think Peppers is a great overall player but naming him Linebacker of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year is a joke right? purely as a defensive player he's like maybe the third or fourth best on his team, it's really dumb. He's an amazing athlete and overall player but he shouldn't even be first team all big ten as a linebacker. Josey Jewell somehow is a Butkus finalist but not first team all conference because sure MourningView fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Thoguh posted:That's a reminder that getting to play games against Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State probably did a lot to help those other three teams look pretty awesome. The only Big Ten wins that those four teams had other than between themselves were Indiana and Maryland over Purdue. As opposed to the murderer's row of Iowa State, Kansas, Texas, and Texas Tech. The top Big Ten teams also beat the best Big XII team, the Pac 12 South Champ, and LSU in the nonconference. And the first two were not especially close MourningView fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Urbz running all over Saban again would also be real funny but there's no way. This Bama title is somehow even more inevitable and soul crushing than all the others
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pillsburysoldier posted:I dunno, those Notre Dame and LSU Alabama-titles were less fun so far Nah those years they either lost or came close a few times. This has just been one long unstoppable death march where they play more or less the exact same game every week. I guess Ole Miss was fun for a bit but there they just condensed their usual game into a quarter. Otherwise I can't even imagine a non-Bama fan actually watching and enjoying an entire Alabama game
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the mean lunch lady posted:I enjoyed all of the Bama-Notre Dame championship game I wasn't talking about this season
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Thermos H Christ posted:Bama-LSU was entertaining and competitive until fairly late in the game. Both those teams do this cool thing on defense where a defender will sort of run into the ballcarrier and wrestle them to the ground. Never seen anything like it. It was obvious like two minutes into the game that LSU couldn't move the ball on them at all
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korrandark posted:
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only if it's followed by Stone Cold's Disturbed theme.
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are there any other big ten fans who are real passionate about guard play because I'm mad about Sean Welsh getting bumped all the way to third team all conference and willing to fight about it
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euphronius posted:Are players usually satisfied with the prospect of starting one year . Or do they want to play all three years. Or does it depend. people who are that good at football think they can win the starting job
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Hurts isn't a very good passer yet but he doesn't gently caress up a ton and creates a few big plays a game with his legs and that's really all Bama needs out of him.
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General Dog posted:Ahh, I remembered that National Championship game, I'd forgotten that it was that same year OU got trounced by KSU. It's Sproles. E: beaten kinda but still
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LeeMajors posted:McCarron and McElroy had that Ken Dorsey Force of Nature Inevitability Quality where if they got the ball back you knew they could distribute it well enough to do whatever needed to happen to win. McCarron shouldn't have been a Heisman candidate but he was really good and people here went way too far the other direction because of the media overrating him a bit. He was better than most of the other Saban QBs by a pretty decent margin (although McElroy's senior year was really good too) MourningView fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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