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dogstile posted:there is a fairly long video also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KxRp8jeliQ
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The way some people talk about sean murray youd think he loving murdered their parents or something
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Jul 23, 2018 17:14
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Eh, Ive seen the videos. A few good points spread out amongst a sea of negativity that, IMO, wasnt largely deserved. I feel the same way about ME:Andromeda. Tons of folks talking about how poo poo the game was, when its biggest sin was that it was just aggressively mediocre.
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Jul 23, 2018 17:18
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Legs Benedict posted:The way some people talk about sean murray youd think he loving murdered their parents or something Yes, "temper your expectations" is "Sean Murray murdered my parents".
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Jul 23, 2018 17:18
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I liked Andromeda a lot more than NMS.
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Jul 23, 2018 17:19
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Arsonide posted:Yes, "temper your expectations" is "Sean Murray murdered my parents". Its been like two years and people are still posting in a thread about a game they got refunded and using words like conned; pardon the hyperbole but I also think moving on is healthy and some of the people posting in this thread should do it
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Jul 23, 2018 17:23
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:I liked Andromeda a lot more than NMS. I got like three hours into ME:A and stopped. It just didn't click with me. Everything about it seemed so uninspired. I paid $8 so no regrets.
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Jul 23, 2018 17:28
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The complaints about this game and Sean Murray were always massively overblown and Next sounds awesome and Im gonna play it a bunch.
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Jul 23, 2018 17:39
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chaosapiant posted:I didnt say he didnt lie. I said that if he did it wasnt done maliciously. And I believe that. Putting "lied" in quotes implies you don't think that said word is true. It's kind of like if I said chess is a "sport". Sorry man. Legs Benedict posted:The way some people talk about sean murray you’d think he loving murdered their parents or something "hey man, watch that curb, i've tripped on it before" "what the gently caress did it murder your parents or something".
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Jul 23, 2018 17:44
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Jul 23, 2018 17:58
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Eyud posted:The complaints about this game and Sean Murray were always massively overblown and Next sounds awesome and I’m gonna play it a bunch. This is erring on the side of revisionism. As has been said, Sean has apologized and the updates have been awesome, but that doesnt change the past.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:03
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I haven't played since release so I'm kind of excited to play again tomorrow. Never tried bases or freighters or any of that so the fact that they introduce all that a few hours in sounds great.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:15
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It's getting pretty ethical ITT And nobody gives a poo poo if you got death threats on your hockey site. You're coming across like the people who are like "my parents beat the poo poo out of me every other afternoon, and I turned out fine  "
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Jul 23, 2018 18:24
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Oooh death threats, I got death threats working on a hockey site. Has he never been on the internet before? What the hell is wrong with you? Death threats are never ok. It only takes one person to go through with it. Gaspy Conana posted:Yeah, I think the NMS fans in the discord are going to have a rough time when it comes out. They're assuming base permanence (like, you'll see all players' bases, wherever they build them, always) and lobbies of 16 player instances with 4 player co-op parties. That's a LOT of extrapolation. Maybe they've somehow pulled some of that out, but it would be miraculous imo. Especially considering the terrain manipulation, vehicle physics, etc etc. People are always overhyping poo poo and then getting mad when they don't get what they built up in their heads.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:25
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A. Beaverhausen posted:You can reduce the percentage by a decent amount by being open about where the game is at at release. The reveal trailer, and no walking back on anything it showed, was one of the really big mistakes. Yes, but I said in the original NMS thread several times full stop "there is not going to be multiplayer" and lots of people still got really loving upset on release that there wasn't multiplayer. There's a big thing in the game industry lately where if a game is announced and then takes awhile to be released, gamers legitimately feel they are OWED a better game. That time of release "cost" them so they are owed more in return. Even though the game costs the same amount. Its real toxic and needs to stop. But yes, Murray was also a dick for saying it had multiplayer and then going hush on the matter once he realized they weren't delivering on that. I just really don't think it would have made much difference even if he hadn't said that at all. People saw the trailer, got excited, then it got delayed for a couple years and they just told themselves that means the game would be even better. Just gotta stop thinking that way completely.
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Serf posted:the game should have just come out now Or even if they'd simply labeled it "early access" until now, they could have avoided a ton of the bad press. There's a lot of lovely games in early access that nobody cares about.
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Another thing is that while Hello Games toned down the press talk, the trailer they released is still 100% staged moments. They need to cut that poo poo out. Other devs do that poo poo too but especially with space games, don't imply more than you have in the game. And other devs don't have the track record they do.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:35
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Zaphod42 posted:Another thing is that while Hello Games toned down the press talk, the trailer they released is still 100% staged moments. They need to cut that poo poo out. I'd prefer in-game staged moments to inscrutable meaningless action shorts like the trailers for beyond good and evil 2 have been
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deadly_pudding posted:And nobody gives a poo poo if you got death threats on your hockey site. So don't you care about death threats now? Do death threats that literally everyone in the public eye gets matter or not? Make up your mind. Murray is a garbage human who hid his behaviour behind these claims. He went into hiding for many months after launch, never explained himself and threw out a weak semi-apology two years later to bring attention to the xbox launch. I've watched enough gameplay videos to realize the game is still bad/boring and will let this thread be again.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:41
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:I've watched enough gameplay videos to realize the game is still bad/boring and will let this thread be again. Please and thanks
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Jul 23, 2018 18:42
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Inspector Hound posted:I'd prefer in-game staged moments to inscrutable meaningless action shorts like the trailers for beyond good and evil 2 have been This is moral relativism and its pointless. There's always a bigger fish / worse crime. "I prefer meaningless action shorts like beyond good and evil 2 to outright scams like star citizen" okay cool buddy. Its still bad.
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Did Murray gently caress up? Yes. Was it his fault that he ended up in front of so many cameras with apparently no handler? Probably not. It's likely that in that time frame between the original E3 teaser and release, he probably did think that the game would have all those features, because he'd never worked on a project of that scope before and let his imagination get the better of him. More importantly, who cares? Like, who rationally cares? It's a fine games industry tradition for developers to take your $60 and run. I mean, I get it, almost. People thought they were getting Star Citizen Lite if they didn't pay attention to any of the press in the final couple of months leading up to release, and people who play space games (me) love to delude themselves with the fantasy of an infinite universe to explore forever. What was unique about NMS that made people get so tilted, though? Games fail to live up to their trailers all the time. Was it the timing of it? Were gamers just feeling especially entitled at the time? Was it the simple and common nerd fury that arises every time an antisocial millennial realizes that a product was, perhaps, made for a different audience than themselves?
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Zaphod42 posted:There's a big thing in the game industry lately where if a game is announced and then takes awhile to be released, gamers legitimately feel they are OWED a better game. That time of release "cost" them so they are owed more in return. Even though the game costs the same amount. It's always been like that. Social media made it louder. Over and over again games with actual open development come our early access rough, but the devs tell you this, and they tell you their working on it. The devs of We Happy Few are an amazing example, they had in depth dev journals from multiple departments every month (week?) When you are pushing a full priced game on misinformation you do nothing to correct, you have yourself to blame when people are pissed when they feel you wasted their money, and I dont mean the overentitled dumbasses. E: I get it dude wasnt used to social media and got hit by a lot, but the silence after all that is what people remember. A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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deadly_pudding posted:What was unique about NMS that made people get so tilted, though? Games fail to live up to their trailers all the time. Was it the timing of it? Were gamers just feeling especially entitled at the time? Was it the simple and common nerd fury that arises every time an antisocial millennial realizes that a product was, perhaps, made for a different audience than themselves? All those plus fans of hardcore space sims are especially crazy.
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This popular YouTube personality put up a funny video of version 1.0 so all your points are invalid and it should be free.
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A. Beaverhausen posted:It's always been like that. Social media made it louder. Over and over again games with actual open development come our early access rough, but the devs tell you this, and they tell you their working on it. The devs of We Happy Few are an amazing example, they had in depth dev journals from multiple departments every month (week?) IDK I remember games like half-life 2 and warcraft 3 being delayed for something insane like 3 years and just being like 'drat I wanna play it' and not like 'drat this game is going to give me free blowjobs when it finally comes out since it took so long' But somewhere recently that started being a huge thing. It wasn't until like, 2010 that it started getting real bad from my observation. Before then people just didn't act that way. Social media made it louder, but even when there was the internet it was basically invisible if it happened, maybe on some nerd's geocities page where he posted an all caps rant, but who cares. Now it spreads through reddit and other groups and it becomes the prevailing way of thinking.
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deadly_pudding posted:What was unique about NMS that made people get so tilted, though? Games fail to live up to their trailers all the time. Was it the timing of it? Were gamers just feeling especially entitled at the time? Was it the simple and common nerd fury that arises every time an antisocial millennial realizes that a product was, perhaps, made for a different audience than themselves? But it's not just NMS that gamers get tilted about. Many gamers get tilted as the dumbest poo poo like the word ban in R6 Siege or the Mass Effect endings. Yeah the NMS situation was kind of not what was promised. But to the point of sending death threats or writing long rear end paragraphs about how upset you are. Worst case scenario, you are out of $60. Best case scenario, you got a full refund.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is moral relativism and its pointless. There's always a bigger fish / worse crime. "I prefer meaningless action shorts like beyond good and evil 2 to outright scams like star citizen" okay cool buddy. That's totally fair too, it would obviously be better to release gameplay videos, but even in that situation you want to stage at least some stuff to make sure you show off what you want. Plus, i don't know that id trust gameplay videos any more than this considering they were the bulk of the maybe a little misleading marketing campaign to behind with.
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blackguy32 posted:But it's not just NMS that gamers get tilted about. Many gamers get tilted as the dumbest poo poo like the word ban in R6 Siege or the Mass Effect endings. People are dumb but I do think the NMS response registered higher. There's some people on twitter complaining they can't say the n-word without getting banned in R6, I argued with a couple of them. But unless you check R6 twitter you'd have no idea. Meanwhile NMS bitching was front page on several gaming sites and reddit for days. deadly_pudding posted:What was unique about NMS that made people get so tilted, though? Games fail to live up to their trailers all the time. Was it the timing of it? Were gamers just feeling especially entitled at the time? Was it the simple and common nerd fury that arises every time an antisocial millennial realizes that a product was, perhaps, made for a different audience than themselves? I think its something about "space game" that makes people suddenly expect videogames to do things that videogames don't do. Its weird but that seems to be the factor. You mention space game and suddenly everybody is having flashbacks to playing pretend as a child and wishing they were Luke Skywalker. Star Citizen would be the same thing but worse, but they've done two magic things. One, they got people to pay them SO MUCH money that they're not committed and can't admit the game sucks or they have to admit they suck, and Two, they just keep delaying the game endlessly so it never has to actually come out at all.
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Inspector Hound posted:That's totally fair too, it would obviously be better to release gameplay videos, but even in that situation you want to stage at least some stuff to make sure you show off what you want. Plus, i don't know that id trust gameplay videos any more than this considering they were the bulk of the maybe a little misleading marketing campaign to behind with. No I'm not sure you do have to stage anything. If the game has core gameplay features that aren't implemented yet; don't advertise it yet. I think premature advertising is a huge problem in this industry. It builds that "hype" which marketing used to think was a good thing (increased word of mouth, awareness of the product) but now seems to be a negative them (shock and negative reaction when the game isn't the be-all-end-all) I think keeping your game mostly under-wraps until its about done and then blowing everybody away is underrated. If you're going to show off gameplay, have the gameplay actually playable. And show what it really looks like. If you have to stage things, that means they're not done yet, which means you shouldn't advertise them yet, as that forms a sort of "promise" on the game's future features, which you may end up cutting. Valve has learned this the hard way and now they won't advertise any games ahead of time in case they change design later on. Its the right move.
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blackguy32 posted:But it's not just NMS that gamers get tilted about. Many gamers get tilted as the dumbest poo poo like the word ban in R6 Siege or the Mass Effect endings. Yeah that's the thing that's always wildly alien to me. It's $60, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. It's like the brain glitch that makes people think they own you like property because they watched you make their five dollar footlong. I have never been disrespected worse by the general public than when I worked in fast food, but I suppose I probably would be if I ever release a video game.
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blackguy32 posted:But it's not just NMS that gamers get tilted about. Many gamers get tilted as the dumbest poo poo like the word ban in R6 Siege or the Mass Effect endings. I think your extrapolating a loud minority of trolls jumping on a bandwagon to genuine, understandable criticism. Everyone loves a story about people being pissed about something, so the poo poo gets blown up. Also other countries arent so lucky on the electronic pricing front.
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I came to this thread to find info about NMS Next, and instead I find people still bitching and making the same exact arguments about the original release from two years ago. Never change, goons.
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panda clue posted:I came to this thread to find info about NMS Next, and instead I find people still bitching and making the same exact arguments about the original release from two years ago. Yeah it rules. Hopefully tomorrow Next will drop and we can get to talking about important stuff like how big Gek penises are or something
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Legs Benedict posted:Yeah it rules. Hopefully tomorrow Next will drop and we can get to talking about important stuff like how big Gek penises are or something Well clearly given the highth to width ratio...
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Geks are space frogs so they probably just have cloacas. I'm counting the hours until the enormous changelog dump to pick through.
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haveblue posted:Geks are space frogs so they probably just have cloacas. Okay but Vykeen?
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A. Beaverhausen posted:I think your extrapolating a loud minority of trolls jumping on a bandwagon to genuine, understandable criticism. Everyone loves a story about people being pissed about something, so the poo poo gets blown up. Even if the electronic pricing front is different for different countries, does that mean one needs to run out and buy the game day 1 without waiting for reviews? But I guess that will continue to happen.
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Legs Benedict posted:Okay but Vykeen? Lightning fast reproductive prong capable of shattering concrete. Ultimate warrior in the streets, also ultimate warrior in the sheets.
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haveblue, could you please add the link to our discord to the first post? Its https://discord.gg/QUjd3zK so you dont have to scroll back
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