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http://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/ro...6352150843.html While not really buying into the whole climate change/warming thing, sometimes I feel it would be cool to get as much off the grid as possible. Here in the mountains of Utah, above the inversion, we get a poo poo ton of sun pretty much all year. Rocky Mountain Power (pretty much the only electric company out here, read: monopoly) have decided to attempt to raise rates on the power they provide to those with solar panels by an obscene amount. This would be the electricity that is needed during longer night periods and cloudy (relatively rare here but yeah) days. quote:If accepted by the Public Service Commission, customers who install solar panels after Dec. 9 of this year will be subject to higher rates. Previous customers will not be affected. If approved, the rates will go into effect in August 2017. So in a nutshell, if you need less of what they are providing, they will charge you more for what you DO use!  As a result I will probably hold off on solar until batteries and panels are good enough that I can tell them to gently caress off entirely. Will they ever become that good? I am old enough to remember "global cooling", so kindly gently caress off VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Fog Tripper posted:While not really buying into the whole climate change/warming thing lol
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unfortunately since you chose not to install solar panels the critical mass of solar adoption will never be attained, thus it will never be an economically viable technology so good job with that you selfish gently caress
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Fog Tripper posted:I am old enough to remember "global cooling", so kindly gently caress off
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Fog Tripper posted:As a result I will probably hold off on solar until batteries and panels are good enough that I can tell them to gently caress off entirely. They're that good right now, it's just that you need a lot of both (panels + batteries) to make sure you don't need to be on the grid. I have neighbours who have a solar/wind setup, and they are totally off the grid. They have a battery bank that can keep them going for 2-3 days without sun/wind, but then again they use a bunch of propane as well (heating/cooking/hot water). They have had this setup for going on 10 years, and they can't remember a single time where they drained their batteries as you usually have either sun or wind each day.
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quote:Here in the mountains of Utah, Yup
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Well congrats in buying into the oil company astroturfed "global cooling" hoax designed to mislead idiots like you, and also on fooling yourself into thinking your archaic experience counts for anything in the modern world
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Doctor J Off posted:Well congrats in buying into the oil company astroturfed "global cooling" hoax designed to mislead idiots like you, and also on fooling yourself into thinking your archaic experience counts for anything in the modern world congrats, op, on your success
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Are they charging different rates for peak/off-peak usage for residential customers anywhere in the US yet? (Like $0.08/kWh at night but $0.15/kWh during the day)
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Dec 1, 2016 01:53
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way to go op shoot yourself right in your dumb foot
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Yivgev posted:congrats, op, on your success Thanks! Apparently remembering the 70s has a downside.
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Fog Tripper posted:http://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/ro...6352150843.html Heh do you also still think cigarettes are good for your health u fuckin idiot
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Fog Tripper posted:While not really buying into the whole climate change/warming thing, *nods solemnly while cranking out a massive fart*
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Fog Tripper the Third in 30 years "I'm still old enough to remember vaccines giving you autism so gently caress off"
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Though to be fair he'll be thinkin of his granddad
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Shinjobi posted:way to go op Clearly shelling out 50% more to the power company will make things all better, because they should make more money when one decides to go solar.
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Dec 1, 2016 01:58
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*kindly fucks off*
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Why don't you 'buy in' to climate change op?
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So to be clear, the current goonpinion is that climate change = real?
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Three-Phase posted:Are they charging different rates for peak/off-peak usage for residential customers anywhere in the US yet? (Like $0.08/kWh at night but $0.15/kWh during the day) I know AZ and TX have companies that do this. There's even an energy company in TX where they advertise FREE!!! electricity during a couple hours.
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pants in my pants posted:So to be clear, the current goonpinion is that climate change = real? Nah I'm pretty sure most goons live in an alternate reality where it's up for debate.
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Solid troll
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Fog Tripper posted:http://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/ro...6352150843.html did Trump winning embolden you to double down on your stupidity, because your QCS whine thread tells us you're not a troll, just a very sad man
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paul_soccer10 posted:Solid troll honestly i think it's an excellent troll, burying the stupidity (climate change isn't happening lol) within a veneer of pragmatism (solar panels are good) is a guaranteed smash well done OP! you should email the Duterte administration, they pay top dollar for hard-working trolls like you
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Science is fake op
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Pawn 17 posted:Science is fake op pl;ease refrain from trolling
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jesus loving christ op this is a hellll of a thread! can i get a hell yeah???
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hell yea
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to be fair, climate change is a bunch of crap
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and to be fair, the earth is obviously flat
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Autism Sneaks posted:did Trump winning embolden you to double down on your stupidity, because your QCS whine thread tells us you're not a troll, just a very sad man For everyone else said thread was whining about lacking proper grammar and punctuation being mod actionable. So yes OP is a tool.
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Nationalize it
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Fog Tripper posted:
"Global Cooling" was a single Times magazine article from the 70s. During one of the early serious American scientific conferences on climate change hosted by MIT, there was some limited discussion of whether particulate production could produce a cooling effect that would outstrip the warming effect of increased levels of CO2. The Time magazine article focused on that because "global ice age" was an easier SCARY concept to sell to its readership. However the conclusion of most of the reasearchers at the time was still "no global warming will be the main problem." Since then, particulate production has significantly dropped and CO2 production significantly increased. However, a bunch of oil companies that continue to suckle off government kickbacks in order to maintain their facade of economic superiority gladly blew up "global cooling" as if it were an actual scientific consensus in order to further prevent people from realizing that renewables are not just economically sensible, but ecologically imperative. Anyhow, yes Photovoltaic and energy storage technology are already good enough that in sunny parts of the country you could go off grid entirely if you wanted to but you'd probably need a hundred thousand or so of up front costs.
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The fact that climate change ushered in stuff like carbon credit, pointlessly 'green' poo poo, hybrid cars, and the moral superiority to smugly give your money to a trillion dollar industry because you're doing the right thing really makes me second guess it's legitimacy I mean its probably true but to what degree? it's such a hot button topic any scientist in the field is either paid off by someone or won't touch it
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anyway it's too late for alternative energy to work its magic carbon scrubbers, that's where the money will go
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invest in windmill energy OP
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nigga crab pollock posted:The fact that climate change ushered in stuff like carbon credit, pointlessly 'green' poo poo, hybrid cars, and the moral superiority to smugly give your money to a trillion dollar industry because you're doing the right thing really makes me second guess it's legitimacy How did people somehow get convinced that the renewable energy lobby is a trillion dollar cabal. Like, do you think that the money controlled by climate scientists is the same order of magnitude as that controlled by oil, gas, coal, and manufacturers of internal combustion engines.
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nigga crab pollock posted:The fact that climate change ushered in stuff like carbon credit, pointlessly 'green' poo poo, hybrid cars, and the moral superiority to smugly give your money to a trillion dollar industry because you're doing the right thing really makes me second guess it's legitimacy Capitalists gonna capitalize. Good ideas get converted to profit since always. Climate change is real sure enough, reducing our pollution is the correct idea but it's been watered down to mean "clean" and "efficient" buying practices. Where scientists are failing is communicating the dire straits we're all in.
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