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david carmichael posted:Gsp got hardy, Silva got cote and leites and sonnen, Jones got sonnen and rampage, and so on. I feel like the pool of people who have 5 defenses is very small It is. I sat there for like 10 minutes trying to think who had an easy fight with at least 5 defenses. Demetrious Johnson got Cariaso, Ronda Rousey got [ranked female bantamweight], was Chuck Liddell's title run pretty legit? I mean at the time. I can imagine it being pretty okay but that's because I don't know the body of Jeremy Horn's work other than he schooled Chael Sonnen a bunch
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Bubba Smith posted:It is. I sat there for like 10 minutes trying to think who had an easy fight with at least 5 defenses. Demetrious Johnson got Cariaso, Ronda Rousey got [ranked female bantamweight], chuck fought vernon white which was bs, and the horn fight, which did have the revenge angle at least, but both those two guys took two of the most one sided beatings
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Hughes 1st reign was pretty solid (especially for the era) but the second time he fought royce once
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1st AD posted:Conor is truly the greatest FW. He crushed Chad, killed Aldo, and even surpassed KenFlo's suit and hair game. So weird that Brimage's power meter didn't see this coming.
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Bubba Smith posted:It is. I sat there for like 10 minutes trying to think who had an easy fight with at least 5 defenses. Demetrious Johnson got Cariaso, Ronda Rousey got [ranked female bantamweight], Bagautinov is arguable for Johnson as well. Hughes must've had an easy defense. Tiki Ghosn? Tito had Ken, Elvis Sinosic, and Yuki Kondo.
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Bundt Cake posted:chuck fought vernon white which was bs, and the horn fight, which did have the revenge angle at least, but both those two guys took two of the most one sided beatings White wasn't a title fight. Bundt Cake posted:Hughes 1st reign was pretty solid (especially for the era) but the second time he fought royce once Royce was non-title (fought at 175 lbs.)
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Sprecherscrow posted:Bagautinov is arguable for Johnson as well. titos reign was a sham cuz chuck was fighting all the good fighters
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Sprecherscrow posted:White wasn't a title fight. then the only joke fights for chuck were horn and tito
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The stupid Hughes v Riggs fight was non-title too but HUghes deserves credit for getting a kimura without passing guard
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Bluedeanie posted:We need to get the posture expert in here to weigh in and let us know if they're really the same size or Tim's slumping Tim's been slumping since September 2014
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has anybody ever figured out which UFC fighter has fought the overall toughest competition? I feel like we talked about that a few months or years ago but I dunno if we ever came to a conclusion. It might be BJ Penn cause he fought a ton of a killers. Or maybe it was Condit. That's my favorite stat cause a guy like Carlos Condit wasn't ever a champion but if you looked at his UFC career there aren't hardly any christian morecrafts on the docket. Those guys deserve the real ultimate fighting championship awards the belt is just an accessory
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Condit only has 2 decision wins too, which is crazy considering how hard it is to finish elite fighters.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Speaking of Carla Esparza having a bad time, she needs to sell the Harley she won on TUF because she only has enough in the bank for 2 months of bills. There's some other stuff about her struggling to get booked for a fight on the post too. Boo hoo I have to sell my Harley because I'm ducking Gadelha
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id say its likely youre right and condit or someone else from his era of WW has had the roughest schedule (without looking i might lean towards hendricks)
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Jake Shields has fought everyone that matters at 170 and also Dan Henderson
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Everyone Rick story fights is on a big streak or is a hyped prospect
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My only memory of Charlie Brennemen is his watching his afro wiggle as increasingly large people take his head off. That's a pretty rough schedule.
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Bundt Cake posted:id say its likely youre right and condit or someone else from his era of WW has had the roughest schedule (without looking i might lean towards hendricks) I still gotta give the slight edge to Condit even though Hendricks is right up there with him. They have a lot of overlapping opponents and "guys who beat that guy they didn't beat" but ultimately Condit's UFC career has 4 guys who went on to be champion (Georges, Johny, Robbie, Tyron) while Johny's is only 2 (Georges, Robbie). In that regard Johny Hendricks fighting Carlos Condit is more noteworthy than Carlos Condit fighting Johny Hendricks. Yeah whatever stat makes Carlos Condit the actual greatest ultimate fighter ever is the one I like the most. To bring it all the way around if you added up the wins/loss ratios of Aldo's opponents he would be right up there with having the roughest schedule. I bet Mark Hominick is the only guy who had near or less than a .500 UFC record and most of his wins were over trash fighters. Pretty much everybody else Aldo fought were guys who beat a bunch of other top ranked UFC featherweights/lightweights to get where they are now.
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From Wikipedia "Charles "Charlie" Brenneman (born February 9, 1981) is a Former American mixed martial artist" He got put through the wringer so much they even took his nationality away from him.
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It's GSP for sure. He's consistently fought the best Welterweights his whole career, he even started off fighting decent journeymen like Ivan Menjivar and Pete Spratt.
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Bundt Cake posted:then the only joke fights for chuck were horn and tito watch your loving mouth
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chaleski posted:It's GSP for sure. He's consistently fought the best Welterweights his whole career, he even started off fighting decent journeymen like Ivan Menjivar and Pete Spratt. menjivar was a great, undersized fighter. spratt is likely to lose to a 16 yr old wrestler. Chucks second fight was pele, and 3rd was horn, if you wanna bring that stuff up
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GSP fought Jason Mayhem Miller though, which is like some kind of negative MMA achievement, so nope. Condit is all positives
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As always, the answer to the question is Dan Henderson
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Bundt Cake posted:menjivar was a great, undersized fighter. spratt is likely to lose to a 16 yr old wrestler. Aside from a few cans early in his UFC career, Chuck has fought top-flight competition his whole career so I don't see your point. GSP has fought almost exclusively good competition though.
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Bubba Smith posted:GSP fought Jason Mayhem Miller though, which is like some kind of negative MMA achievement, so nope. Not for the title, he didn't
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Frankie Edgar's worst wins are an 11-0 late-replacement prospect who was on a 4-fight finishing streak, and Jeremy Stevens. I can't remember how highly rated Mark Bocek and Spenser Fisher were at that time, but they were never pushovers. He gets bonus points due to size difference, too.
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chaleski posted:Aside from a few cans early in his UFC career, Chuck has fought top-flight competition his whole career so I don't see your point. my point was chuck can match gsp as far as crazy early career challenges
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CommonShore posted:Frankie Edgar's worst wins are an 11-0 late-replacement prospect who was on a 4-fight finishing streak, and Jeremy Stevens. I can't remember how highly rated Mark Bocek and Spenser Fisher were at that time, but they were never pushovers. He gets bonus points due to size difference, too. fisher and franca were the two best/most established guys besides sherk, and edgar beat em both
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Detroit_Dogg posted:As always, the answer to the question is Dan Henderson Bisping Lombard Belfort Boetsch Mousasi DC Shogun Rashad Machida Fedor Rafael Calvacante Renato Sobrai horseface Franklin Paul Harris Anderson Rampage Wanderlei Misake Bustamante Oyama Little Nog Ninja Rua Akira Shoji Renzo Gilbert Yvel A few other people I've never heard of Carlos Newton Couple more people I've never heard of.
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CommonShore posted:He gets bonus points due to size difference, too. That he is actually a bantamweight absolutely floors me. Frankie / Cruz is in my top 5 dream fights and I hope it happens because featherweight will be a poo poo fight for a while.
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Bluedeanie posted:Not for the title, he didn't yeah I wasn't interested in title runs anymore cause there's a really small group who have defended the belt more than 3 times and the answer is gonna be Jose Aldo But trying to figure out who has had the overall roughest schedule of opponents is a cool topic to me. Even great dads like Dan Henderson did mostly fight the best of the best, but they also fought Feijao which kind of makes it no so impressive. Boetsch is in the category of sort of a good win, but sort of a who gives a poo poo win. I still haven't seen a better overall list than Carlos Condit whose career is gonna continue to age like fine wine when Demian Maia wins the belt next
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Bubba Smith posted:yeah I wasn't interested in title runs anymore cause there's a really small group who have defended the belt more than 3 times and the answer is gonna be Jose Aldo All of that's fair except Condit, who's had largely great UFC opponents but a poo poo ton of cans in the WEC and beyond.
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true but that's why you gotta come up with some sort of parameters or else everybody is gonna have some bums on their records, and that's why I try to limit it to only UFC fights or thereabouts. i mean technically cung le only fought 3 UFC fights and everybody was pretty decent (wanderlei, cote, bisping) so then you sorta do gotta start dipping into the other organizations. So yeah it's tough to figure out what should count and what shouldn't. I just know Condit is gonna be up there regardless cause the absolutely worst UFC dude he fought was Dan Hardy who is actually a pretty skilled announcer these days
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Bubba Smith posted:true but that's why you gotta come up with some sort of parameters or else everybody is gonna have some bums on their records, and that's why I try to limit it to only UFC fights or thereabouts. true
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You've got to say that GSP had the toughest strength of schedule of anyone. This guy, and I don't know how it happened, but it happened, fought the toughest opponent of his life like 7 times in a row. What are the chances of that?
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Chris James 2 posted:He doesn't, that's kind of the point. Yeah I mean I'm sure he's not happy about not having the belt officially any more, but both he and the UFC probably know (and might even have an agreement) that the second he wants to fight for the featherweight title again, he gets the next shot no questions asked. But if he has the choice between cutting to 145, cutting to 155 or doing vanity fights at 170 I'm pretty drat sure he's a lot more enthusiastic for the latter two options and he's got more than enough fights their to keep him busy for the next few years with the added bonus of not having to starve himself. Most fighters don't have the luxury of picking their fights, but Conor's got so many drat options. CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Detroit_Dogg posted:"did anybody tell you to get your poo poo together"  his fuckin garbage man even told him to get his poo poo together
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