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Badger of Basra posted:That article seems to say that the problem is they don't have enough drivers, rather than that the ones they do have are a huge drain on their budget. It doesn't matter if you have the smartest self-driving buses in the world if you don't have the tax revenue to pay for their purchase, upkeep, and maintenance. e: To expand on this a bit more, you often see people complaining about a sales/gas tax hike to pay for transit. People abloo bloo-ing about a tenth of a cent that will add light rail or more buses because they "don't use them" even though it benefits you as a driver when there are fewer cars on the road. SubponticatePoster fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Fleet services can (conceivably) come from a larger regional maintenance pool so funding upkeep may be easier, while bus drivers are more specialized. Purchasing in my experience is a whole other budget. Driver shortage could also be a result of lack of qualified people which can tie to low pay but depending on market conditions a regional might not be able to compete for drivers. Also my local bus drivers are terrible drivers so anything to keep them away from the wheel is a win. They can even keep their job managing the bus/passengers while it's rolling, it'd probably keep the buses on time if they were helping people use the bus. Zachack fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Badger of Basra posted:That article seems to say that the problem is they don't have enough drivers, rather than that the ones they do have are a huge drain on their budget. Inflexible expensive labor forces become a bottleneck during budget squeezes. The two things are intrinsically connected.
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The Oldest Man posted:Inflexible expensive labor forces become a bottleneck during budget squeezes. The two things are intrinsically connected.
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The Oldest Man posted:Inflexible expensive labor forces become a bottleneck during budget squeezes. The two things are intrinsically connected. Bus labor is expensive and "inflexible" because both CDLed drivers and auto maintenance workers are skilled tradesmen that can often walk away and get a job in the private sector. Even if automation reduces the need for drivers, you'd still need maintenance workers to service a bus fleet.
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The Oldest Man posted:Inflexible expensive labor forces become a bottleneck during budget squeezes. The two things are intrinsically connected. the bigger problem is the budget squeeze
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boner confessor posted:the bigger problem is the budget squeeze No it's surely those lazy slobs who want a living wage. If only we could purge ourselves of these untermensch who demand to eat and live on the real earner's dime, then we could have a technological utopia. New post on McMansionHell: http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/154653904191/a-pictorial-history-of-suburbia What say the thread, good or bad?
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ryonguy posted:No it's surely those lazy slobs who want a living wage. If only we could purge ourselves of these untermensch who demand to eat and live on the real earner's dime, then we could have a technological utopia.  This image is crazy to me because it looks so much like the brand new suburbs I know from growing up in Texas.
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Traffic is a 'critical mass' problem. If you can redirect only 6% of 'problem drivers' down side streets you can completely alleviate LA rush hour traffic at its worst. Theoretically this can already be achieved via apps like Waze and Google Maps but people that can use those apps dont overlap a lot with that 6%. Self-driving cars and buses would go a long way to alleviate traffic even if they make up only a percent of vehicles.
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FCKGW posted:
I think autonomous vehicles (especially for-hire ones like Uber, which add wasted miles and idling) have the potential to actually worsen traffic here in Los Angeles. If the cost of a car trip goes down, and they don't have to drive the thing personally, people are apt to suffer even longer transit times for the privilege of avoiding public transport. They promise they'll all be synced up perfectly like Minority Report, but I think it'll be the better part of a hundred years before enough cars are autonomous to accomplish that.
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via posted:I think autonomous vehicles (especially for-hire ones like Uber, which add wasted miles and idling) have the potential to actually worsen traffic here in Los Angeles. If the cost of a car trip goes down, and they don't have to drive the thing personally, people are apt to suffer even longer transit times for the privilege of avoiding public transport. They promise they'll all be synced up perfectly like Minority Report, but I think it'll be the better part of a hundred years before enough cars are autonomous to accomplish that. Depends on how much price is the limiting factor. I suspect travel time is the primary concern for virtually everyone. I'm still trying to find the paper I got the 6% number from on arxiv, this wiki article may be of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_traffic_theory
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Blockade posted:Traffic is a 'critical mass' problem. If you can redirect only 6% of 'problem drivers' down side streets you can completely alleviate LA rush hour traffic at its worst. Theoretically this can already be achieved via apps like Waze and Google Maps but people that can use those apps dont overlap a lot with that 6%. Self-driving cars and buses would go a long way to alleviate traffic even if they make up only a percent of vehicles. You think the people who don't use... GPS with traffic are going to be the early adopters on Herbie?
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:You think the people who don't use... GPS with traffic are going to be the early adopters on Herbie? Nah, I wasn't clear on that. My point was that traffic flow, and jams, are well understood mathematically, and an autonomous network with better knowledge of the conditions (where other buses are, traffic density, events, etc) could do a much better job of avoiding and preventing jams than human drivers.
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and you'll just induce demand and be back to square one.
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If the near-universal ownership of a $100 device that'll reroute you around that pileup and also let you browse Tinder in staff meetings hasn't revolutionized traffic in any notable way I have a really hard time seeing how Christine the $50,000 experimental luxury toy is going to like maybe in 50 years when that's every lovely car on the road but by that point what the gently caress kind of future are you postulating where everyone is still commuting, period A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Badger of Basra posted:
I am not certain your brand new suburb had streets as straight as that, as narrow of a lot, and a detached (if any) garage. That picture is very typical of a lot of how grid-based and narrow the lots were for inner-ring suburbs. Sure, it looks a lot like what you see today but there are huge differences.
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Doctor Butts posted:I am not certain your brand new suburb had streets as straight as that, as narrow of a lot, and a detached (if any) garage. as a note, 'gridlike' or 'grid based' streets do not have to be straight. that's more appropriately a 'gridiron'. gridlike streets have a lot of interconnectivity and small blocks, as opposed to superblocks with dendritic streets different kinds of street layouts (this is not inclusive just the first thing i googled)  grid on the left, more dendritic large block 'grid' on the right 
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FCKGW posted:
Autonomous cars will probably increase traffic, not reduce it. Got a quick meeting and don't want to find parking? Order your car to circle the block (while your meeting turns into an hours long session). Do you need to be at the office downtown at 8 and your spouse needs the car at 10? Have the car drive you to the office, back home to pick up your spouse, take her on her trip followed by another round trip downtown to pick you up.
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on the left posted:If the real goal of the program is to foster school diversity, what's wrong with just grabbing the talented tenth out of underperforming schools and busing them to the suburbs? Well for one thing, cherry-picking just the top performing students doesn't necessarily foster school diversity.
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boner confessor posted:as a note, 'gridlike' or 'grid based' streets do not have to be straight. that's more appropriately a 'gridiron'. gridlike streets have a lot of interconnectivity and small blocks, as opposed to superblocks with dendritic streets I made some effort posts in the Traffic Engineering thread a while ago about Milton Keynes in the UK: Lead out in cuffs posted:On the topic of traffic circles and bicycles/transit, what do you think of the traffic planning in Milton Keynes? Lead out in cuffs posted:I think the main and biggest mistake they made was in turning the grid into a freeway system, rather than the network of urban high streets it was intended to be. At least, that's what the article I posted in that last link argues -- and the author was one of the original design team.
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Here's an interesting DC area story about land use discrimination from an angle I hadn't heard of before: islamophobia! https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...f2fd_story.html
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Badger of Basra posted:Here's an interesting DC area story about land use discrimination from an angle I hadn't heard of before: islamophobia! Just redlining in another form.
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ryonguy posted:Just redlining in another form. It would be redlining if they were allowed to build somewhere. Also, hasn't this poo poo been going on for years now?
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Reviving this since I don't know where else to put it - Republicans in Congress have filed a bill to nullify the new Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule (text of the bill here). I doubt Carson's HUD would have enforced it anyway but it would have been nice to have. RIP in advance. Also this from the bill: quote:Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no Federal funds may be used to design, build, maintain, utilize, or provide access to a Federal database of geospatial information on community racial disparities or disparities in access to affordable housing. As we all know, John Roberts wisely and correctly decided in Shelby County that Racism Is Over, so I'm not sure why you need to spend money on something like this anyway tbqh.
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lol if this is interpreted as restricting what questions the american community survey can ask
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I always wonder how Republicans justify to themselves their efforts to conceal as much information as possible 
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