|
I must say I didn't expect SC to die because of a legal suit filed by the game engine's owner, there was a hundred other possible reasons but I didn't see this one coming.
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 11:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 12:28 |
|
|
i am eagerly awaiting any communique from CIG on this at all
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 11:53
|
|
|
Your honour we would have responded to this lawsuit in a timely manner but our world renowned legal expert broke both his wrists in a terrible tickling accident so we request another two weeks.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 11:54
|
|
|
alphabettitouretti posted:Your honour we would have responded to this lawsuit in a timely manner but our world renowned legal expert broke both his wrists in a terrible tickling accident so we request another two weeks. a 21 day summons was issued yesterday, merry Christmas CIG 
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 11:58
|
|
|
alf_pogs posted:i am eagerly awaiting any communique from CIG on this at all Well, just wait for the next episode of "10 for the defendant"
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:00
|
|
|
Goons anticipated this in 2015 already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGRsEF953n0
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:03
|
|
|
alf_pogs posted:i am eagerly awaiting any communique from CIG on this at all quote:We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court ... CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard. This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:05
|
|
|
Slow_Moe posted:Star Citizen: Sue you in the 'Verse!
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:07
|
|
|
Xaerael posted:Nah, that was Clint Mansell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyynw9e6DLY
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:13
|
|
|
The mention of the Silicon Knights vs. Epic Games court case earlier reminded me of this old article about life at Silicon Knights and its boss, Denis Dyack.quote:Dyack holds three degrees: two in Computer Science and one in Physical Education. It's the latter qualification that shines through, according to former employees. "He runs his company like a high school gym class or football team," one said. "He sets examples of those who offend him. He is incapable of celebrating others' successes. He is irrationally competitive to a fault; for example, he has to sue Epic Games and gloat about it online . [In his mind] you're either for him, or against him." (In May 2012, Epic prevailed in that five year-long court case that included a counterclaim from Epic; SK was ordered to pay $US4.45 million in damages. A statement released by Dyack read simply, "We are disappointed by the outcome and we plan on appealing .")
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:13
|
|
|
The Kins posted:They released a brief paragraph statement in response that may or may not have incriminated them further. Please refer to the December blog... or to this quote. I still can't get over this. It's just too incredible for words or brain cells.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:13
|
|
|
This seems like an appropriate song to play while reading the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de6ne28jWDw
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:13
|
|
|
The Kins posted:The mention of the Silicon Knights vs. Epic Games court case earlier reminded me of this old article about life at Silicon Knights and its boss, Denis Dyack. MAKE THAT PIXEL GREEN
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:15
|
|
|
I've got a contact at CGBot that explained what went on regarding SC, and the folks there weren't close enough to CIG for the kind of gossip on those leaks. To elaborate, CGBot is based in Austin, but all the work is actually done in Mexico. They deal almost exclusively with asset production, and in the case of SC they designed the original Hornet plus a lot of work on objects, interiors, clothing, etc. The extent of their contact with CIG was art leads being sent concept art and receiving really lovely feedback, no budget (as in, memory, polygons they should use), having constant minor revisions forced upon them, and the entire company put through the grinder essentially with volume of work combined with the aforementioned. But CGBot was actually in dire straits at the time so they needed the work, then once they could bow out it was a "never again" thing for the company.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:20
|
|
|
AP posted:This goes to the heart of what has happened to all the money in my view. Yes, you're missing: Streamline Studios (Netherlands) - SQ42 Art (stuff in leak) Massive Black (California) - Art Atomahawk Design (England) - Art Confetti Special FX (California) - Nebula tech and explosion particle effects 3lateral (Serbia) - Facial mapping Cubic Motion (England) - Facial animation Liquid Development (Oregon) - art The period where they were using this massive list of outsourced studios is actually the period where the project made the most progress - we got the Hangar Module, Social Module, Arena Commander, Illfonic Star Marine with Sataball, Ship Adverts, and saw some stuff of SQ42. Then they started transitioning stuff in house in mid-2015 to mid-2016, and that's basically the point everything ground to a halt. It's clear most of the work these old studios did have been redone to Chris whims, and they're now firefighting all the time and chasing the next gimmick.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:22
|
|
|
D_Smart posted:Someone better loving buy me that avatar by the time I check back here in the morning; or no more E.L.E. scoops. Mother of God!! You guys did it! I got me the avatar!!  I love it!! OK, we have a deal. The on-going scoops (I am sitting on one which I think I can share soon - just waiting for one more verification) will continue - every Two Weeks. ----------------
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:25
|
|
|
Conspiratiorist posted:I've got a contact at CGBot that explained what went on regarding SC, and the folks there weren't close enough to CIG for the kind of gossip on those leaks. People visit different sites and gossip spreads, in an unprofessional company in my experience, it spreads far and fast. I don't think you can rule it out, Mexico or Quebec, the full leak is on the link but at the time I seem to recall the leak was dismissed because the leaked future sale details changed. Potato, Potato.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:28
|
|
|
kw0134 posted:The various assorted stupidities of the SCultists have been amusing but when they completely mangle legal principles and good lawyering that for some reason sticks in my craw. No you dumbshit, ask any lawyer who took first year Civ Pro, and they'll recognize the dollar figure of 75k because they want to allege grounds for diversity jurisdiction. Even if they were "hard up on cash" you smooth-brained idiot, they still wouldn't get that sum unless they win the suit, which happens at the end, which makes your attempted point plainly nonsensical even if you have only the barest knowledge of how the legal system works. A top firm doesn't work for peanuts and if they're taking a case like this it's because they see a large fee won on contingency, which if they're good at their jobs means they've assessed the legal merit as good because they're not getting a lot of money unless they win. And no, since everything alleged is half in the public in the form of all the garbage videos CIG's put out, there's nothing being "hidden" here, aside from maybe the full contract which isn't public (yet) but clearly the lawyers would have seen that. CIG implicated itself with its official public statement, you jackass! There's nothing to fake when your opponent is busy walking into bear traps of their own accord.  
----------------
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:28
|
|
|
RubberJohnny posted:Yes, you're missing: Yes thank you, frankly, I got bored, the failure of Star Citizen is such a vast subject. Good luck with the book Derek, but let us help you pick the cover. Edit "Streamline Studios (Netherlands) - SQ42 Art (stuff in leak)" oh wow, nice one.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:31
|
|
|
This holiday season must be the one time Derek sat on Santa's knee, got to say what he wanted and didn't get kicked out for saying "LET ME loving FINISH" at an elf.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:34
|
|
|
ewe2 posted:Here's a little song I wrote, you might want to learn it note for note, don't worry be happy This is good 
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:35
|
|
|
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/12/14/star-citizen-lawsuit/
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:36
|
|
|
The Kins posted:They released a brief paragraph statement in response that may or may not have incriminated them further. Please refer to the December blog... or to this quote.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:38
|
|
|
AP posted:People visit different sites and gossip spreads, in an unprofessional company in my experience, it spreads far and fast. I don't think you can rule it out, Mexico or Quebec, the full leak is on the link but at the time I seem to recall the leak was dismissed because the leaked future sale details changed. Potato, Potato. I'm ruling out CGBot because their people in Mexico stay in Mexico, and only interact with the clients through official company channels. Watercooler gossip would've necessarily had to have happened with the Austin folk, and those aren't ESL.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:41
|
|
|
It's funny they're trying to dismiss this as a cash grab by CryTek. "They're just after CIG's millions!!!!" Yeah no poo poo they want money, that's what their loving contract said would happen. They didn't get involved because they strongly believed in the incoherent vision of a thumbman who waved his hands and promised fidelity. But it seems the only people who should be condemned for not sticking to an agreement are filthy leavers who ask for refunds on a product that doesn't exist.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:41
|
|
|
Palpek posted:So they officially and willingly confirmed that they were using the Cryengine until at least December 23rd 2016 thus giving even more ammunition to CryTek's lawyers. Nice. I thought the bigger thing was stating that they weren't using it anymore even though in that legal thing it's sounds like part of the contact was that they had to use it exclusively.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:42
|
|
|
Palpek posted:So they officially and willingly confirmed that they were using the Cryengine until at least December 23rd 2016 thus giving even more ammunition to CryTek's lawyers. Nice. "36. Section 2.1.2 of the GLA contained a critical promise from Defendants that they would not develop the Star Citizen video game using any other video game engines."
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:44
|
|
|
Is this something that will take years in an courtroom? Or just two weeks.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:45
|
|
|
Rudager posted:I thought the bigger thing was stating that they weren't using it anymore even though in that legal thing it's sounds like part of the contact was that they had to use it exclusively. The takeaway is that going by the legal documents we've seen so far the statement was really loving dumb and they should have said nothing more than "no comment". That may have just been more fuel for the fire. If it ends up in court one of those lawyers with the funny name is going to have a great time tying them in knots with those couple of sentences alone.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:46
|
|
|
Orions Lord posted:Is this something that will take years in an courtroom? 90 days, tops
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:46
|
|
|
Ah, thanks, I haven't read the text of the actual suit yet. It seems that CIG hasn't either. That's pretty epic.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:47
|
|
|
Palpek posted:Ah, thanks, I haven't read the text of the actual suit yet. It seems that CIG hasn't either. That's pretty epic. It's pretty good https://www.scribd.com/document/367101474/Crytek-v-CIG
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:48
|
|
|
Orions Lord posted:Is this something that will take years in an courtroom? Ima be surprised if this ever gets to court. The tickler in black is not going to cut it for this. They're going to have to employ the services of real and very expensive lawyers. If their bank accounts are not extremely healthy then fighting it may just not be an option. There may be no choice but to close the space doors one last time and leave the backers with nothing but jpegs and regret. Settling is a possibility but then the question is why didn't they do that before now?
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:51
|
|
|
So, I've been working on an xmas song parody for a while, and I was stuck as hell. Thanks Crytek, you helped me. I only wish enough goons could be in the same place to do a recording.... It's Space court time, Star Citizens are so afraid At Space court time, Crytek will at last get paid C-I-G says it's nothing, but they have lied so much before Throw your arms into the air It's Space court time! But say a prayer and pray for the dev peons At Space court time, it's hard but we're all having fun There's a 'verse inside your PC, and it's a 'verse of dread and fear Where a wankpod door can kill you, And I clipped through my space gondolier And the Space court bells that ring there are the clanging chimes of doom Well, tonight, thank God it's them instead of Coutts And 3.0 won't come out before Space court time Chris says he won't pay crytek one lone dime His ego only grows, while his game's in it's death throes Does he know it's Space court time at all? Here's to you, crunch time hours for everyone Here's to Chris driving off into the sun Do they know it's Space court time at all? Derek called it! Derek called it! Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again Derek called it! Let them know it's Space court time again
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:54
|
|
|
Conspiratiorist posted:I'm ruling out CGBot because their people in Mexico stay in Mexico, and only interact with the clients through official company channels. Watercooler gossip would've necessarily had to have happened with the Austin folk, and those aren't ESL. RubberJohnny posted:Streamline Studios (Netherlands) - SQ42 Art (stuff in leak)
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:54
|
|
|
MinorInconvenience posted:Okay, fine. But CIG decided to terminate the license. Then CIG went with someone else (Amazon). The language quoted does not clearly state that CIG could not just stop using CryEngine. That's what I want to see. That would be in the termination clause of the GLA, which is, sadly, as yet unleaked.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:55
|
|
|
Blaegis1 posted:That would be in the termination clause of the GLA, which is, sadly, as yet unleaked. I'm imagining the termination of the CryTek contract was like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-m3RtoguAQ
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 12:58
|
|
|
So that's happening...in +2hrs. Since I got the link, the Usual Suspects are already in attendance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MzzuiQVTDw ----------------
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 13:01
|
|
|
Something I don't understand - Crytek expected CIG to provide them....quote:....with any bug fixes, and optimizations made to the CryEngine's original source code files (including CryEngine tools provided by Crytek) as a complete compilable version. Why is there included, and agreed to, a provision for CIG to fix up Crytek's poo poo?
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 13:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 12:28 |
|
|
Daztek posted:90 days, tops Really? Is that just to process the initial terms of the suit or is the case that far along?
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2017 13:03
|
|
