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nawledgelambo
Nov 7, 2016

Immersion chariot


Broken.

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Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless



I know this guy is a giant bearded manchild with some of the stupidest opinions I've ever heard, but this is wrong.

They've had arena commander tournaments because I remember making fun of the fact they couldn't even get like 20+ people for it.

This idiot is just trying to market the stupid poo poo where 20 backers try desperately to wring every last nanosecond of gameplay out of the 5 minutes they've been given. "WORLD FIRST"

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.



Space Crabs posted:

I know this guy is a giant bearded manchild with some of the stupidest opinions I've ever heard, but this is wrong.

They've had arena commander tournaments because I remember making fun of the fact they couldn't even get like 20+ people for it.

This idiot is just trying to market the stupid poo poo where 20 backers try desperately to wring every last nanosecond of gameplay out of the 5 minutes they've been given. "WORLD FIRST"

He's just continuing the Star Citizen tradition of using “WORLD FIRST” to mean “Has been done to death, discarded as being boring, resurged as a brief ironic hipster thing, discarded as not being hip enough, recycled through four different generations of indie development, and then promptly forgotten 15 years ago” — same as the high CRobster himself.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

Do you party?



You know, we already have basketball in space games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNO6EZmRA

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help


lol is this a thing that happened? I remember the OUYA (support?) twitter account tweeted the same thing, back when that console was released and people were having issues with it and were trying to reach support via twitter.

That was another Kickstarter success story that ended up being a complete disaster, releasing an unviable end product with many technical issues and crappy games.

I guess one can spot similarities with their marketing campaign and how they suckered people into backing that piece of crap. Their "free the games" stupidity comes to mind.

On the other hand, CIG's marketing standards seem to be high enough so there probably won't be any horrible promotional videos for SC similar to that banned OUYA one.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.



Foo Diddley posted:

You know, we already have basketball in space games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNO6EZmRA
And part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC0DpPy6cro

Also, System Shock 2.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004




I'm not worried, I'm not worried, I continue to insist as I slowly put out video after video about the next big game changer that never comes.

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


I assume Star Citizen's completely necessary basketball mode will obviously include a career mode and theme song designer mechanics.

Everybody get up it's time to be scammed now
We got a real flimflam goin' down
Welcome to the Space Scam
Here's your chance to spend your check at the Space Scam
Alright

Come on and SHAM and welcome to the SCAM
Come on and SHAM if you want to be SCAMMED

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008



Scratchmo


Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008



Scratchmo

I wanna play for the Stanton Incels

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Once again Roberts is the visionary. He is bringing us basketball where teams are entirely comprised of bald white guys.

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.


I can't wait for OPERATION PITCHFORK - the mass invasion of Vanduul space at the end of beta. *

Don't forget to download your "Operation Pitchfork" PDF information manual (5th edition) from "operationpitchfork.com", registered in 2013.

Launching soon!


* Cloud Imperium Games does not provide information such as final release date.
* Cloud Imperium Games does not provide information on features to be included in final release.
* Cloud Imperium Games does not provide information such as MVP release date.
* Cloud Imperium Games does not provide information on features to be included in MVP release.
* Vanduul space may be delivered subsequent to final release.
* Vanduul may be delivered subsequent to final release. MVP release may differ from final release.
* Network 3.0 may be delivered subsequent to heat death of the universe.

Dark Off
Aug 14, 2015






Chris roberts and the VIP4 incident

back when chris roberts was doing movies. He got regularly financed by company called VIP Medienfonds LLC
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0170376/?ref_=ttco_co_3
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0139788/?ref_=ttco_co_4
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0116514/?ref_=ttco_co_2

How VIP Worked was following
if you - during the 1980 until 2010 - placed money in some film productions, the german tax authorities didnt consider this as an investment, but a partnership on a production
so you do have costs, not an investment
and for costs goes the rule: they reduce your tax rate
more costs, less tax to pay
So it was attractive to invest in VIP funds and pay less in taxes.


chris roberts and head of VIP originally met up during punisher film where he, andreas schmid and andreas grosch were acting as producers.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330793/companycredits?ref_=ttfc_ql_5
after which the funding continued in various roberts movies. Raising up whopping 750 million dollars in total

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GUDQuFb1A#t=1248s
http://ascendantpictures.com/about.html#cohist claims 250 million dollars in funding to produce 14 movies in 2003, the company was founded in 2002.
in 2004 VIP4 package raised 350 million dollars and most of it was spend in chris roberts movies.
The fundings was to be spend on film 100% and investors would get 100% of the income the movie would produce.
But what ended up happening was that 20% of money was spend in making of movie and rest of funding gets funneled trough several companies into fixed deposit accounts
However they matched that 80% of money with bank loans using presumably investor money as guarantee for loans.
Unfortunately for investors however only 20% got spend in films leaving 80% of investment without tax benefits
In addition Chris Roberts had to give 15% guarantee for investors . In case something went wrong during the movie shoot. But roberts never paid that money from his own pockets instead he used investor money to pay guarantee's.
Even worse as movies started to bring in profit chris roberts would only pay 20% back to investors rest going into paying back loans and presumably again into fixed deposit accounts.

Unfortunately after VIP4 the company was put in charges for fraud.
and man in charge andreas schmid was jailed for it.
at same time most of board in ascendant pictures left and ortwin joined in.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071010064134/http://www.ascendantpictures.com/team.html
http://www.ascendantpictures.com/team.html

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1405445/prosecutors-investigate-vip-medienfonds
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1405067/vip-funds-schmid-taken-into-custody
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1413780/germany-zeros-in-on-media-funds
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1412716/german-film-funds-near-shutdown
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1406177/german-film-funds-dismantled


even worse for chris roberts he was in law suit with kevin costner over movie that never got made

quote:

from http://gameranx.com/updates/id/70033/article/the-chris-roberts-theory-of-everything/
Between November 2005 and March 2008, Ascendant Pictures and Kevin Costner were in a legal battle. The subject of litigation was the claim that the Film company promised Costner that he would be able to star in a film called Taming Ben Taylor, about a bitter and divorced man who refused to sell his winery to the neighboring golf course. They promised him in December 2004 that the $8 million deal would go through regardless of production financing, but by June 2005 he was told that the movie wouldn’t be going forward after all. The court papers state that Costner was misled about Ascendant Pictures ability to make the film, being strung along for several months of delays. In that interim he had to pass up on several other job offers. Ascendant Pictures later filed a cross-complaint that the Creative Artist Agency that represented Costner was the one responsible for misrepresenting the situation, and that they turned away actresses and directors that could’ve been involved, ending up hurting the financing prospects of the project.

Final nail for ascendancy pictures happened when 2010 a former investor of VIP went to court and sued VIP and major banks for damages.
The court calls up several people to make a statement
including chris roberts and ortwin freyermuth
in previous cases both only talked via mail
shifting the blame completely to the VIP
but this time, the judges asked for answers and proof
the set date was the 16.07.2010
on the 06.07.2010, cr sold his company to bigfoot entertainment

invite for chris and ortwin for german court

https://www.bundesanzeiger.de
on the bundesanzeiger site, there is a search bar Suchbegriff
type: Rising Star
hit the Suchen button
on the left, you should get 90hits, go for Gerichtlicher Teil (9)
there is a doc called Terminladund, date: 17.05.2010

judges called them for answers
1. was cr forced to use only 20 % of the vip money?
2. if he was forced, did he know that this was illegal?
3. how much money did they get for all of the rising star company stuff?
4. where are the contracts?
5. who signed them?
6. did cr know, that this system took away the majority of the income for the investors?
7. why did he say nothing?
8. why was he selling the entire company during the run time with the vip?

Ofc everyone involved in the final days of ascendant pictures were also hired into star citizen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmY7nToxFJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhyO26bVVw

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-23-how-indie-film-financing-could-shape-the-future-of-games

quote:

When Chris Roberts and I founded Cloud Imperium Games to launch the effort, we were not only drawing on Chris' legendary abilities and track record as a game designer in this field, but also on a combined experience of three decades in independent film financing and production.

quote:

Rather than opting for the Kickstarter site, we created our own platform to establish a frictionless, direct relationship with the interested community. This allowed us also to fine tune our Terms of Use for a favorable legal and tax treatment.

quote:

We learned a lesson when our initial platform was not stable enough and collapsed intermittently during the campaign. Due to our limited funds, we had commissioned the site design to a small developer. (Kickstarter graciously allowed us to create a parallel campaign on its platform to receive funds during our site outages. We since used the campaign funds to partner with a Canadian platform developer, and together we have built a very stable and advanced platform which now is not only serving our site, but is currently readied for other developers who are interested in following our path.)

quote:

Any unforeseen changes in the development process would be reviewed and approved by experienced specialists who monitor that process - something very familiar in the film production process as well. The completion guarantor would assure that the project will either be delivered to the early buyers as promised, or return the funds. Based on the fees charged in the film business, the insurance premium for such a completion guarantee and associated monitoring would probably be around 5 to 7 percent of the development budget.)

End of part 1. Hopefully i have enough material for part 2

Dark Off fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 28, 2017

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


You guys are making fun of basketball but there is a 9 hour tender storyline where you teach a recovered Vanduul some B-Ball skills.

This leads to Squadron 42 being resolved by a street ball tournament on their home world.
Pusher goes for a dunk but is taken out of the game, and your vanduul team mate has to decide to hit the court to betray his world
He is almost killed during a brutal foul, but manages to make both foul shots, signifying peace and the establishment of a treaty with humanity and vanduul

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I wanna play for the Stanton Incels

Do they play against the Grim Hex Volcels?

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling

Pillbug

Dark Off posted:

Chris roberts and the VIP4 incident

back when chris roberts was doing movies. He got regularly financed by company called VIP Medienfonds LLC
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0170376/?ref_=ttco_co_3
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0139788/?ref_=ttco_co_4
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0116514/?ref_=ttco_co_2
as a bonus heres ortwins capella films that also received funding from VIP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capella_Films

How VIP Worked was following
if you - during the 1980 until 2010 - placed money in some film productions, the german tax authorities didnt consider this as an investment, but a partnership on a production
so you do have costs, not an investment
and for costs goes the rule: they reduce your tax rate
more costs, less tax to pay
So it was attractive to invest in VIP funds and pay less in taxes.


chris roberts and head of VIP originally met up during punisher film where he, andreas schmid and andreas grosch were acting as producers.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330793/companycredits?ref_=ttfc_ql_5
after which the funding continued in various roberts movies. Raising up whopping 750 million dollars in total

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GUDQuFb1A#t=1248s
http://ascendantpictures.com/about.html#cohist claims 250 million dollars in funding to produce 14 movies in 2003, the company was founded in 2002.
in 2004 VIP4 package raised 350 million dollars and most of it was spend in chris roberts movies.
The fundings was to be spend on film 100% and investors would get 100% of the income the movie would produce.
But what ended up happening was that 20% of money was spend in making of movie and rest of funding gets funneled trough several companies into fixed deposit accounts
However they matched that 80% of money with bank loans Using investor money (15% of loan) as guarantee for loans.
Unfortunately for investors however only 20% got spend in films leaving 80% of investment without tax benefits
Even worse as movies started to bring in profit chris roberts would only pay 20% back to investors rest going into paying back loans and presumably again into fixed deposit accounts.

Unfortunately after VIP4 the company was put in charges for fraud.
and man in charge andreas schmid was jailed for it.
at same time most of board in ascendant pictures left and ortwin joined in.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071010064134/http://www.ascendantpictures.com/team.html
http://www.ascendantpictures.com/team.html

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1405445/prosecutors-investigate-vip-medienfonds
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1405067/vip-funds-schmid-taken-into-custody
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1413780/germany-zeros-in-on-media-funds
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1412716/german-film-funds-near-shutdown
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1406177/german-film-funds-dismantled


even worse for chris roberts he was in law suit with kevin costner over movie that never got made


Final nail for ascendancy pictures happened when 2010 a former investor of VIP went to court and sued VIP and major banks for damages.
The court calls up several people to make a statement
including chris roberts and ortwin freyermuth
in previous cases both only talked via mail
shifting the blame completely to the VIP
but this time, the judges asked for answers and proof
the set date was the 16.07.2010
on the 06.07.2010, cr sold his company to bigfoot entertainment

invite for chris and ortwin for german court

https://www.bundesanzeiger.de
on the bundesanzeiger site, there is a search bar Suchbegriff
type: Rising Star
hit the Suchen button
on the left, you should get 90hits, go for Gerichtlicher Teil (9)
ther is a doc called Terminladund, date: 17.05.2010

judges called them for answers
1. was cr forced to use only 20 % of the vip money?
2. if he was forced, did he know that this was illegal?
3. how much money did they get for all of the rising star company stuff?
4. where are the contracts?
5. who signed them?
6. did cr know, that this system took away the majority of the income for the investors?
7. why did he say nothing?
8. why was he selling the entire company during the run time with the vip?

Ofc everyone involved in the final days of ascendant pictures were also hired into star citizen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmY7nToxFJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhyO26bVVw

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-23-how-indie-film-financing-could-shape-the-future-of-games





End of part 1. Hopefully i have enough material for part 2

That's some damaging stuff, even more so than what I believe was already common knowledge. Is this VIP4 thing how Uwe Boll managed to make movies too?

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016



Space Crabs posted:

You guys are making fun of basketball but there is a 9 hour tender storyline where you teach a recovered Vanduul some B-Ball skills.

This leads to Squadron 42 being resolved by a street ball tournament on their home world.
Pusher goes for a dunk but is taken out of the game, and your vanduul team mate has to decide to hit the court to betray his world
He is almost killed during a brutal foul, but manages to make both foul shots, signifying peace and the establishment of a treaty with humanity and vanduul

Your full of poo poo, Croberts could never come up with somethings that good/mediocre plus you know that Pusher would have made that dunk anyway because she just could ok.

YOUR FUD IS FUD

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Has anyone yet described what happens if you're standing in the mess hall of your friends mega ship and your friend logs off?

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014



Uh the AI that replaces your friend is so real you don't even know he logged off. Try to keep up.

Goobs
Jan 30, 2016

Doxcat is watching you PU.

starkebn posted:

Has anyone yet described what happens if you're standing in the mess hall of your friends mega ship and your friend logs off?

you go flying through the walls of the space ship and....oh wait..that happens already.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


1.5 million player ships with full crews run by AI run by the server x9 NPC AI ships with full crews

What a dream of a game

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!


starkebn posted:

Has anyone yet described what happens if you're standing in the mess hall of your friends mega ship and your friend logs off?

Sounds like a good time for everyone to grab lunch!

Abongination
Aug 18, 2010

Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.


Pillbug



No idea why Red Bull keeps pushing this poo poo, I thought their games team was pretty on the ball.

boviscopophobic
Feb 5, 2016



Abongination posted:



No idea why Red Bull keeps pushing this poo poo, I thought their games team was pretty on the ball.

We could update this gif to put in CIG and fine journalistic organizations like the Weekly Beeper.

boviscopophobic fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Mar 19, 2017

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/603dv2/my_emergent_content_story_or_why_i_think_star/




Pictured, the single most important moment of someone's life:






Check the actual post because it includes links to images to spice up such incredible adventures

trucutru fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Mar 19, 2017

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?


Star citizen: Shootin' some B-ball outside with Vanduul

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless


Here is 1000 ducks walking to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7UBHdHpWRM

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard




Hobold
Jan 10, 2012


I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA


College Slice

Reading some of this, makes me question how loving insane everyone is for thinking this is some miracle cure to PC gaming that is totally dead and ignored guys.

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.


What happened in chat right now was the single most validating point of my life.


[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: Uninstall

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: No u

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: No u

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


mess hall AI conversation posted:



[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: What u say?

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: No u

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

[LOCAL]Private_Hawkins: No u

[LOCAL]Jarvisk: No u

...

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012



hell is other people in the verse

Samizdata
May 14, 2007


The Titanic posted:

Sounds fun.

Only if we can find a way to fund far away goons for travel.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


alf_pogs posted:

hell is other people in the verse

Can you image you flying around randomly across asteroids in your Sabre when, suddenly, you detect a mining ship and the words B_TAK appear in your HUD? I say that would be worth the 8,000 dollars price of admission.

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012



trucutru posted:

Can you image you flying around randomly across asteroids in your Sabre when, suddenly, you detect a mining ship and the words B_TAK appear in your HUD? I say that would be worth the 8,000 dollars price of admission.

It would be hilarious. Imagine if you will, seeing Captain Btak sitting there and mining. As you slowly fly around the asteroids to avoid his lovely civilian mining ship radar, you jump out from the shadows and shoot his engines. He starts freaking out, this is the 3rd time today.

As he begins to slipstream away, you break his engines and sit in front of him. Getting out if your vehicle, you nipplejet to his cabin and clip through it... hes your 5th victim today. The Screamening begins.

nawledgelambo
Nov 7, 2016

Immersion chariot

grimcreaper posted:

It would be hilarious. Imagine if you will, seeing Captain Btak sitting there and mining. As you slowly fly around the asteroids to avoid his lovely civilian mining ship radar, you jump out from the shadows and shoot his engines. He starts freaking out, this is the 3rd time today. This is the first time in 3 years he has had human interaction in star citizen.

As he begins to slipstream away, you break his engines and sit in front of him. As he Alt+F4's, and uninstalls Star Citizen, Getting out if your vehicle, you nipplejet to his cabin and clip through it... hes your 5th victim today. His T-Posed corpse is the last known remnants that exist today of the sentient formerly known as Captain B`Tak. The Screamening begins.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

put clinton in prison imo


Lipstick Apathy

AlmightyPants posted:

That's some damaging stuff, even more so than what I believe was already common knowledge. Is this VIP4 thing how Uwe Boll managed to make movies too?

I think it was something like that. But this VIP thing shows that CR and friends have form for taking money and playing shell games with it. The implications are that they have a lot more money than they're actually using to "create" SC and SQ42 and are literally floating front companies on a raft of bad loans which will disappear the moment serious legal moves are made.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003



DapperDon posted:

All kidding aside, I am considering setting up a Goon victory celebration once the Towers of Crobberts falls. I am thinking something in the Keys with an open bar and some fishing charters and an effigy of Chris Roberts that we can drag around with us Weekend at Bernies style . Derek can be the guest of honor and take the first swing at it when we hang it like a pinata and live stream the whole loving thing.

Unironically would attend. No seafood please. Thanks.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them


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Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.




A new generation of holo sights is born.

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