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Nicholas: Mar 7, 2001; Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?

Sarsapariller posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwbYljNALI&t=1017s

Just remember: Star Citizen 3.0 features:
5 new landable planets
New moons, space stations, and asteroid belts
Trading
Cargo Transport
Piracy
"Mercenary"
Bounty Hunting
Diverse NPC Actions
Day And Night Cycles
Increased Mission Complexity
Economy Driven Missions
Item 2.0
StarNetwork 1.0
Subsumption 1.0
Mission 1.0

And they demo'd all of this in a live, totally unscripted gameplay preview in August of last year. So whatever they show at this new convention, after one full year of development, is guaranteed to have all of that stuff in it or they wouldn't be calling it 3.0, right?

No you see they INCREASED the scope of 3.0 because they made so much progress much faster than expected, which is why "new" 3.0 will contain much less content despite being a year late.

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Nicholas: Mar 7, 2001; Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?

It makes perfect sense.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:24

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

Warhawk109 posted:

Excellent avatar MoMA

needs more belt, otherwise :agreed:

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:25

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

this looks fun as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpmJVU8hwj8

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:30

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

TheAgent posted:

this looks fun as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpmJVU8hwj8

They've somehow managed to make a flight model that's worse that Star Citizen's. The controls look really janky :negative:

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:34

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

also far cry 5 looks fuckin incredible

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:35

biglads: Feb 21, 2007; I could've gone to Blatherwycke

I am SO FUCKIN HYPED for sandworm santa ball 3.0 let me tell you

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:38

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:40

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

How cool would it be if Derek went to Gamescom and streamed the whole thing instead of just rapid-fire posting dumb loving tweets about how broken Sandi's relationship with Chris is and how he said Star Citizen was a scam a year after everyone else did.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:48

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Daztek posted:

do the lesnick challenge imo

If Pizza Hut still sells the Triple Threat, it isn't on their website. I think it might be gone :ohdear:

Lesnick Challenge

Colostomy Bag posted:

Watching Wing Commander the movie has a greater chance of making you blind.

Sitting in an area with about 85% coverage right now. I assume once it passes in the next few minutes the Gamescom booth will get fired up.

I poked a hole in a sheet of paper but it turns out I didn't need to. The sunlight coming through the leaves of a tree outside made all these little crescents, it was neat

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:49

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

Also, the eclipse wasn't that cool.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:51

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

ManofManyAliases posted:

Sorry - out of town currently, so can't really play.

what would you be playing

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:51

AbstractNapper: Jun 5, 2011; I can help

i wonder what the development time for Battlefront II is and how it compares to the masterpiece that is Star Citizen still-in-alpha.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:51

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

They really missed out on the opportunity to make a one day sale of a .JPEG with LTI called the "Eclipse" that wouldn't be available again until the next total solar eclipse. That's an easy $100k.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:52

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Foo Diddley posted:

I poked a hole in a sheet of paper but it turns out I didn't need to. The sunlight coming through the leaves of a tree outside made all these little crescents, it was neat

Yeah, the crescent shadows were cool as hell. Hopefully Roberts has this ability.

And as a bonus, contrary to experts, staring at the sun I find myself not blin asee4 asduoinv ajlasden xcxlksae;;asdf

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:55

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

AbstractNapper posted:

i wonder what the development time for Battlefront II is and how it compares to the masterpiece that is Star Citizen still-in-alpha.

Battlefront 2 started development a little before Battlefront 1 was released in November 2015.

The single player campaign was actually cut from Battlefront 1 to facilitate a release (and there supposedly was some push back from LA/Disney), but many early ideas and designs for the single player were reused for Battlefront 2.

If you are talking from a pure prototype to actual release, then a little under 3 years. This also includes over 8 studios and about 1,000 employees, give or take.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 19:58

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

I can also tell you that SC is an absolute mess to play, everything from the flight model to fighting feels and plays awful. Even walking and running feel like garbage.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:00

Plural Abysss: Feb 25, 2016

thatguy posted:

Also, the eclipse wasn't that cool.

SC has made even an amazing celestial event seem mediocre in comparison.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:01

doingitwrong: Jul 27, 2013

cool new Polack jokes posted:

The weird thing about RSI is the backers are more than happy to see their money wasted- they send the studios donuts with Froot Loops and artisan pizzas and chocolate covered fruit on a stick and all kinds of bullshit overpriced food offerings.

CIG develops games like a cargo cult as the eminent Scruffpuff described earlier but the backers are more of a volcano cult- throwing whatever tribute they can muster into the infernal maw of the volcano, to be swallowed up and consumed and create no benefit to anything. Meanwhile their very religion dictates that it's just a matter of a few more Oregonian fruit baskets to achieve game development nirvana.

I'm coming to believe that a good sized chunk of SC backers aren't paying for the game at all. They are paying for a fantasy reality series about life in a kickass game development studio. (Well, everyone who backed is *paying* for that but there's a good chunk of people where *that's all they want*.) They want to be part of supporting the kind of games studio that you imagined you'd work at as a kid. There'd be cool arcade machines everywhere and it would be like living in a space ship and your cool genius friends would live the good life and go on vacations and just have fun and make games.

It's lysenkoism for game development. The environment makes the game. They think that if a game is made in fun conditions it will be a fun game. If a game is made with glamorous people, it will be glamorous. Things that look effortless got that way with effortless�effort. They want the creative process to be as cool and fun as the creative outcomes. They think that bad games come from bad publishers who get in the way of fun by cutting off funding and forcing people who would otherwise be doing to cool work in a free environment to work in a lovely boring environment where they release subpar crap with DLCs.

They're not mad about the door because I think they think that a cool door is an important part of a cool environment which is an important part of fostering a cool game.

The seeds of this show up in the first K/S video where Chris talks about wanting to prove something to big publishers and the world to make the game he wants to make the way he wants to make it. By turning publishers from one kind of business avenue to funding a game to some kind of evil entity, he's actively recruiting people with a chip on their shoulder about game development and games. We see the fruits of that in a lot of the posts. There's a lot of people in SC actively mad at the idea of consoles or the idea that people on consoles might play their game. What a weird thing to be mad about.

Then with the JPG-based income model, they're recruiting people who have trouble distinguishing between appearance and reality. Consider the hours and threads devotes to discussing which imaginary ship is better for which imaginary role. This is a group of people that regularly pits the promises of their project against the real, released properties of other projects and while triumphantly making their comparisons fail to mention that *only one of those things exists*. For them, SC dreams are maybe more real than actual products.

For this group of people that I am imagining, the current state of Star Citizen is far, far more satisfying than any released project could ever be. This is what they want, this is what they keep funding and this is what they're gonna get for a long, long time.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:02

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Quavers posted:

They've somehow managed to make a flight model that's worse that Star Citizen's. The controls look really janky

Looks like BF1, automatic coupled roll/yaw, which is kind of typical for consoles and janky compared to something you have control over all the axes but this is not what makes SC a janky piece of poo poo.

What makes SC so janky is the extreme acceleration/rotation combined with zero-order aimed gimbaled weapons which combine to turn ships (even huge ones) into 6dof shooter avatars for fps kiddies to play whack-a-mole with kbm complete with boost strafe dodge and sprint mechanics. Like basically every publisher does and exactly the opposite of what SC was supposed to be before they hit the 'too big to fail' mark ~50mil.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:04

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

TheAgent posted:

I can also tell you that SC is an absolute mess to play, everything from the flight model to fighting feels and plays awful. Even walking and running feel like garbage.

Are you trying to sway us away from pledging/donating/backing/investing/(third party derivative fund)/buying this product?

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:05

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Colostomy Bag posted:

I may have lived under a rock...but has someone shopped Robert's head on Nixon?

If someone does this please do the Nixon tattoo on Roger Stone's greasy back

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:05

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/899683178906087427

:nallears:

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:07

Achamp: Oct 19, 2005; The two hhhwhat.... The two yutes your honor

doingitwrong posted:

I'm coming to believe that a good sized chunk of SC backers aren't paying for the game at all. They are paying for a fantasy reality series about life in a kickass game development studio. (Well, everyone who backed is *paying* for that but there's a good chunk of people where *that's all they want*.) They want to be part of supporting the kind of games studio that you imagined you'd work at as a kid. There'd be cool arcade machines everywhere and it would be like living in a space ship and your cool genius friends would live the good life and go on vacations and just have fun and make games.

It's lysenkoism for game development. The environment makes the game. They think that if a game is made in fun conditions it will be a fun game. If a game is made with glamorous people, it will be glamorous. Things that look effortless got that way with effortless�effort. They want the creative process to be as cool and fun as the creative outcomes. They think that bad games come from bad publishers who get in the way of fun by cutting off funding and forcing people who would otherwise be doing to cool work in a free environment to work in a lovely boring environment where they release subpar crap with DLCs.

They're not mad about the door because I think they think that a cool door is an important part of a cool environment which is an important part of fostering a cool game.

The seeds of this show up in the first K/S video where Chris talks about wanting to prove something to big publishers and the world to make the game he wants to make the way he wants to make it. By turning publishers from one kind of business avenue to funding a game to some kind of evil entity, he's actively recruiting people with a chip on their shoulder about game development and games. We see the fruits of that in a lot of the posts. There's a lot of people in SC actively mad at the idea of consoles or the idea that people on consoles might play their game. What a weird thing to be mad about.

Then with the JPG-based income model, they're recruiting people who have trouble distinguishing between appearance and reality. Consider the hours and threads devotes to discussing which imaginary ship is better for which imaginary role. This is a group of people that regularly pits the promises of their project against the real, released properties of other projects and while triumphantly making their comparisons fail to mention that *only one of those things exists*. For them, SC dreams are maybe more real than actual products.

For this group of people that I am imagining, the current state of Star Citizen is far, far more satisfying than any released project could ever be. This is what they want, this is what they keep funding and this is what they're gonna get for a long, long time.

Although you took a lot of lines to say one thing, the first part nails it. Crobbler knows that making your game with Luke Skywalker and Gary Parpman sells units and it's something "true nerds" will want to be a part of. Hell, it worked on SA people for years before reality set in.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:08

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

Virtual Captain posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/899683178906087427

wtf is that

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:09

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Colostomy Bag posted:

Are you trying to sway us away from pledging/donating/backing/investing/(third party derivative fund)/buying this product?

Actually I'd say if you've laughed at Star Citizen for years or discussed how awful it is without actually playing it, go ahead and pledge for $45 and play with Beet and I sometime.

just trying to get into a loving party together is like setting up joystick drivers on a SoundBlaster 16

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:09

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

holy poo poo the new battlefield 1 expansion is out

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:11

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

also I am going to go and play star marine with wtfo

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:14

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

TheAgent posted:

Actually I'd say if you've laughed at Star Citizen for years or discussed how awful it is without actually playing it, go ahead and pledge for $45 and play with Beet and I sometime.

just trying to get into a loving party together is like setting up joystick drivers on a SoundBlaster 16

IRQ 16

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:14

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

doingitwrong posted:

They are paying for a fantasy reality series about life in a kickass game development studio. (Well, everyone who backed is *paying* for that but there's a good chunk of people where *that's all they want*.) They want to be part of supporting the kind of games studio that you imagined you'd work at as a kid.

-snip-

For this group of people that I am imagining, the current state of Star Citizen is far, far more satisfying than any released project could ever be. This is what they want, this is what they keep funding and this is what they're gonna get for a long, long time.

Until seeing this hot take I never realized how uniquely qualified Sandi is for her role.

#IStandWithSandworm

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:16

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:

wtf is that

I think it's a cologne joke. CIG and their puns. Also their new ship is the 600^{igold spacepants variant} or something

also WTFo is streaming SC. what happened to

Virtual Captain posted:

Should make a pretty funny VOD later:
I'm a dumbass for thinking 3.0 would be out in March
I'm not giving Star Citizen anymore publicity until 3.0 is out
CIG already choose the streamers they are sending to Gamescom/Citcon a long time ago
"There is a lot of smokescreen"
Not getting a refund "that money is gone" "I'm an adult"
Streaming any game but Star Citizen
Still doing podcast with BoredGamerUK
Game is always just around the corner, tired of it

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:17

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

WTF(I'mNotPlayingSCUntil3.0)Osaurus is jumping back on the hype train, and is streaming SC again.

https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus

e;f:b

Catte Taxxe - My lord and master, sunbathing in his garden watchtower

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:17

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Foo Diddley posted:

Well friends I looked directly into the eclipse and now I'm blind

Should I watch Wing Commander to restore my eyesight y/n?

I think it only works if you believe enough in the rich life of Wing Commander. If you can muster that, absolutely!

Also I survived totality! :cheers:

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:19

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

CIG's check must have cleared because all the people who mysteriously quit like twerk are back to doing SC things.

im only half kidding here wtf.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:20

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Sarsapariller posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwbYljNALI&t=1017s

Just remember: Star Citizen 3.0 features:
5 new landable planets
New moons, space stations, and asteroid belts
Trading
Cargo Transport
Piracy
"Mercenary"
Bounty Hunting
Diverse NPC Actions
Day And Night Cycles
Increased Mission Complexity
Economy Driven Missions
Item 2.0
StarNetwork 1.0
Subsumption 1.0
Mission 1.0

And they demo'd all of this in a live, totally unscripted gameplay preview in August of last year. So whatever they show at this new convention, after one full year of development, is guaranteed to have all of that stuff in it or they wouldn't be calling it 3.0, right?

Yes. It's all there. We've been playing it all day today at the booth. Amazing stuff really.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:23

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:

CIG's check must have cleared because all the people who mysteriously quit like twerk are back to doing SC things.

im only half kidding here wtf.

It's a miracle. :3

I bet they won't even mention what they said before! Money sure is nice isn't it?

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:24

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

lol hes literally denying he ever said he was gonna stop playing star citizen

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:25

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

D_Smart posted:

Yes. It's all there. We've been playing it all day today at the booth. Amazing stuff really.

I don't care about anything except Economy Driven Missions. So tell me how awesome they are.

Also StarNetwork 1.0 because I have no idea what a StarNetwork 1.0 is but let me tell you I am psyched for it.

# ? Aug 21, 2017 20:25