Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

AbstractNapper posted:

I always assumed there was a poll by sending direct messages to all backers via kickstarter or backerkit or their own equivalent poo poo.

It was just a poll thread on their forums.

The backers overwhelmingly supported this!

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:32

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 13:32

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

AbstractNapper posted:

I always assumed there was a poll by sending direct messages to all backers via kickstarter

Let's all remember that only about $2m came from kickstarter. Everything else was CIG's own website.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:34

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

Virtual Captain posted:

Beer's post on scope, schedule, and funding may also be illuminating:
Chris: "The additional funding continues to expand the scope of the game and make what we�re doing possible�"

If anyone needed more evidence that Crobberts is not only a scam artist but a very good one... I changed the bold to highlight just that

He flat out is saying GIVE US MORE MONEY and then in a very back handed way .... because the game isn't possible without it (even though I said many many times it was)

Everyone rags on Chris for being a massive idiot, and by most accounts he rightfully wears that crown, but the man is a savant at getting nerds to read over below behind and between every line he spouts

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:37

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

Sappo569 posted:

He flat out is saying GIVE US MORE MONEY and then in a very back handed way .... because the game isn't possible without it (even though I said many many times it was)

Nice catch. Chris does this a lot but don't have any good examples on hand. His ability to weave between present and future tense probably has something to do with it.

doingitwrong posted:

One of my favourite Chris techniques is his free switching between the present and future tense. It helps build the illusion that the things he is promising are real and have already happened which is how you get backers who think that the terrible flight model is just an badly tuned but physically perfect promised flight model.

quote:
The way it works is that the persistent universe server, which we�re calling the Galaxy Server, keeps track of all players� assets, group relationships and locations inside the Star Citizen universe. As the Galaxy server isn�t handling any realtime action it can handle our complete player base, which right now would be about 45,000 players, but is designed to be able to scale to millions if need be. The other key thing the Galaxy Server does is dynamically place players based on their location, skill level, alignment and player versus player (PvP) preference into battle instances. Think of a �battle� instance like a Battlefield 3 multiplayer session or a World of Tanks Battle with the key difference that the selection of players is done transparently and is �in fiction�.

This is all written in the present tense. In 2012. Yet here we are in 2017 with netcode being a continually pushed back refactored promised thing that's coming in the future. While the game can't handle all that many people at once at all. Let alone 45k people. So it doesn't seem accurate to say that the Galaxy Server WAS designed in 2012. Because surely if it was, we'd see it implemented now.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:47

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

Virtual Captain posted:

Nice catch. Chris does this a lot but don't have any good examples on hand. His ability to weave between present and future tense probably has something to do with it.

This is all written in the present tense. In 2012. Yet here we are in 2017 with netcode being a continually pushed back refactored promised thing that's coming in the future. While the game can't handle all that many people at once at all. Let alone 45k people. So it doesn't seem accurate to say that the Galaxy Server WAS designed in 2012. Because surely if it was, we'd see it implemented now.

It's his fall back should things go tits up suddenly or in the future.

He will say 'But I told everyone it wasn't possible, look it's even quoted here , here and here!'

Blue On Blue fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Sep 24, 2017

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:50

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

D_Smart posted:

Actually no, they didn't. Not at all. It's just the usual bullshit-laden lies that Shitizens tend to spout in order to give that poo poo stain Croberts, a pass for increasing the game's scope, while scamming gullible backers. Some backers, sensing the beginning of the end then started trotting out the "backers voted for the increased scope bullshit", while engaging in obfuscation and revisionist history.

In fact, as I wrote here to Batgirl about a year ago, that notion is patently false. The 11-03-2012 stretch goals poll, and the 07-17-2013 funding counter poll did no such thing. And even if it did, it was still up to Chris to know when to say no, or when to determine whether or not it could be done. But regardless, in Nov 2014, after raising $65M, the project scope was significantly increased, thus sealing its fate and dooming it to the failure it is now facing.

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That�s the third time you�ve posted the same link to the same poll, disregarding points raised that the poll data doesn�t show any consensus or agreement in any of the options, since not even a simple majority agrees on any one option despite each participant being allowed to select 3 options. Members of the active SC community were given 3 votes each and still failed to put any of the options above 40% support, which suggests that there is no majority support from the community for any of the expansion options.

If anything, giving people 3 choices each instead of 1 should have made it easier for any one option to hit 50%, but that still didn�t happen. All this shows is that CIG polled the community and then promptly disregarded the results, opting to proceed with their own plan instead, and certainly doesn�t support your assertion that the changes were voted and agreed upon by the community.

None of this even matters - no entity has the right to bait-and-switch a consumer based on the "votes" of a "community" unless you agree to such terms explicitly in advance (such as the fetid shitholes known as "HOA"s.) Discussing whether or not it was a majority vote is valiantly missing the point. Polls cannot change the initial agreement between consumer and provider, regardless of their construction and regardless of their result.

Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 24, 2017

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:00

doingitwrong: Jul 27, 2013

peter gabriel posted:

Did they ever do a poll on how many jackets Mile Eggfart should have? They should do imo

Comedy option: one

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:19

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

doingitwrong posted:

Comedy option: one

Refactor!

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:35

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Virtual Captain posted:

Yeah true.

2012:

2013:

Didn't they also keep one of these open forever so that backers could go help justify the scope change retroactively?

# ? Sep 24, 2017 18:02

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

That reminds me.. who won the grand prize for the referral contest?

# ? Sep 24, 2017 18:13

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Sappo569 posted:

That reminds me.. who won the grand prize for the referral contest?

Sandi! Who else?

# ? Sep 24, 2017 18:19

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

hansihinterseer posted:

4 Non Blondes- Whats going on

For true believers:
The Cure - Pictures of you

Morrissey - I've changed my plea to guilty

# ? Sep 24, 2017 18:22

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

Tank Boy Ken posted:

Sandi! Who else?

Explains where the new Porsche came from lol

# ? Sep 24, 2017 18:24

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

voodoo dog posted:

I am really looking forward to be able to watch the flight controllers do their job.. Each in their own style, with their own personality, and their screens will show exactly what is going on with each ship. Game of the Decade!

I also hope they will dedicate as much attention to the people cleaning the toilets.

Unrelated... Your avatar is the funniest thing I have seen in this thread in ages. :five:

# ? Sep 24, 2017 19:23

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

XK posted:

Also, none of these except "Tactical command mode on capital ships" (I don't know what that means), and "Enhanced FPS mode", have anything to do with new mechanics. Those both sound like minor alterations to existing promises. The vast majority of "new mechanics" we've been seeing have nothing to do with any of those things.

The vote options have no relation to the current feature creep, the vote numbers are insignificant compared to even the 500,000 backer number, let alone the 1.5m number.

The community vote for feature expansion is total bullshit.

The tactical command mode was where your head whale would be on the bridge of a big capital ship, and would be able to issue orders to all ships in the fleet C&C style, to other players.

This was, I feel, a big turning stone because it was where "fleet action" became not only possible but something that it appeared that CIG were actively working on and fleshing out.

This was a birth of the mega whale, because they wanted to be that guy behind the huge campaigns, commanding it from an enormous ship surrounded by escorts, etc.

Unfortunately now though, years later, CIG can't even code a loving door to work, they can't get more than about 12 people on together in a very non-MMO type environment, so the chances of having this sort of thing in the game can very safely be said a solid 0% chance.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 19:28

Erenthal: Jan 1, 2008; A relaxing walk in the woods; Grimey Drawer

The Titanic posted:

The tactical command mode was where your head whale would be on the bridge of a big capital ship, and would be able to issue orders to all ships in the fleet C&C style, to other players.

This was, I feel, a big turning stone because it was where "fleet action" became not only possible but something that it appeared that CIG were actively working on and fleshing out.

This was a birth of the mega whale, because they wanted to be that guy behind the huge campaigns, commanding it from an enormous ship surrounded by escorts, etc.

Unfortunately now though, years later, CIG can't even code a loving door to work, they can't get more than about 12 people on together in a very non-MMO type environment, so the chances of having this sort of thing in the game can very safely be said a solid 0% chance.

We saw their idea of capital ship gameplay at the end of this Gamescom.

Two Idrii bouncing off each other like a kid mashing two lego ships together.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 19:39

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Beet Wagon posted:

The gently caress, man.

One person's Bunnyman is another person's uh whateverthefuck you call that guy... sorry to anyone who's eyes were offended, I thought that character fit right in this mentally theatrical but apparently this was a fur leg warmer too far

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:17

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

Thoatse posted:

One person's Bunnyman is another person's uh whateverthefuck you call that guy... sorry to anyone who's eyes were offended, I thought that character fit right in this mentally theatrical but apparently this was a fur leg warmer too far

I think it was the nakedness that took it too far. Bunnyman was fully clothed.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:20

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Erenthal posted:

We saw their idea of capital ship gameplay at the end of this Gamescom.

Two Idrii bouncing off each other like a kid mashing two lego ships together.

It also lasted what, a whole minute? Lots of time to run around inside replacing fuses, do boarding actions, and whatever else citizens think they're going to be doing during a capital ship fight

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:28

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Beet Wagon posted:

The fuckman.

Indeed

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:32

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

Thoatse posted:

One person's Bunnyman is another person's uh whateverthefuck you call that guy... sorry to anyone who's eyes were offended, I thought that character fit right in this mentally theatrical but apparently this was a fur leg warmer too far

It was the Lightsaber. Star Wars references are a bannable offense.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:36

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

aleksendr posted:

I think it was the nakedness that took it too far. Bunnyman was fully clothed.

He wasn't naked he was wearing fur leg warmers. :colbert:

Seriously though, this is a silly line of reasoning because there are things that get posted itt that show as much skin as this weirdo but I can understand out of sheer wtf factor why it might not be something you want your boss to see over your shoulder even though it's not technically :nsw:

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:36

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Thoatse posted:

Seriously though, this is a silly line of reasoning because there are things that get posted itt that show as much skin as this weirdo but I can understand out of sheer wtf factor why it might not be something you want your boss to see over your shoulder even though it's not technically :nsw:

Don't defend that poo poo, dude. We don't want to see your gross fetishes.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:37

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

Thoatse posted:

He wasn't naked he was wearing fur leg warmers.

Seriously though, this is a silly line of reasoning because there are things that get posted itt that show as much skin as this weirdo but I can understand out of sheer wtf factor why it might not be something you want your boss to see over your shoulder even though it's not technically :nsw:

The little whatever he was wearing over his junk was not enough, apparently

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:39

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

XK posted:

Don't defend that poo poo, dude. We don't want to see your gross fetishes.

lol

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:39

Awesome!: Oct 17, 2008; Ready for adventure!

stick to posting cute animals imo

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:40

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

In these trying times lets not forget the important things in life

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:40

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

The Titanic posted:

The tactical command mode was where your head whale would be on the bridge of a big capital ship, and would be able to issue orders to all ships in the fleet C&C style, to other players.

This was, I feel, a big turning stone because it was where "fleet action" became not only possible but something that it appeared that CIG were actively working on and fleshing out.

This was a birth of the mega whale, because they wanted to be that guy behind the huge campaigns, commanding it from an enormous ship surrounded by escorts, etc.

Unfortunately now though, years later, CIG can't even code a loving door to work, they can't get more than about 12 people on together in a very non-MMO type environment, so the chances of having this sort of thing in the game can very safely be said a solid 0% chance.

Go watch some EVE battles where they have one guy in control.
He gives the orders, his lieutenants only talk when talked too, and only give as brief reports as possible.

Can you see this in SC? With your missiles that cost you your money to fire, allow someone else to tell you who to fire them on?

# ? Sep 24, 2017 20:55

ZekeNY: Jun 13, 2013; Probably AFK

happyhippy posted:

Go watch some EVE battles where they have one guy in control.
He gives the orders, his lieutenants only talk when talked too, and only give as brief reports as possible.

Can you see this in SC? With your missiles that cost you your money to fire, allow someone else to tell you who to fire them on?

Imagine it if EVE fleets were commanded by whoever spent the most money... :gonk:

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:07

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

happyhippy posted:

Go watch some EVE battles where they have one guy in control.
He gives the orders, his lieutenants only talk when talked too, and only give as brief reports as possible.

Can you see this in SC? With your missiles that cost you your money to fire, allow someone else to tell you who to fire them on?

Or allow someone who didn't spend as much as you to command the fleet. I did not sink $30k into this game so that other people could tell me what to do, dammit

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:14

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:16

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

You only really need a discord to do bridge commander, so it's really undefined what that goal was even about. Enhanced FPS could just be a couple new weapon mechanics, which is what it pretty much explicitly says in the poll option.

The whole vote was basically, "Hey, want a little bit extra?" Not, "Let's fundamentally change everything!"

I'm pulling a DUI on my taxxe, where's my designated driver?

XK fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Sep 24, 2017

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:23

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

https://i.imgur.com/7YZzmeK.gifv

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:28

Toops: Nov 5, 2015; -find mood stabilizers
-also,

3.0, what a loving joke. It's already a failure whether they release with one moon or three. Where is any semblance of a loving game? Remember that? The VIDEO GAME!! Where's some early iteration of an economy? How about trading, mining, salvage, repair, rescue, research, transport, exploration, fuel scooping, planetary missions that aren't just "go here and collect 10 bear asses..." Where are the Vanduul, the other alien races, and what role do they play in the universe other than hovering around a point of interest waiting to be shot? How do you get missions other than Jimmy 3-Coats? Are missions part of a cohesive narrative? Are they co-op? Can you form groups and share quests? Is there reputation? Fines? How about insurance beyond a high-pressure loving sales tacic?? Is anyone thinking about this poo poo, let alone prototyping it or, god forbid, MAKING it??? Even if 20 people can meet in-universe, and there was a place they could fly, why would they bother? What would they DO?? Stuff a loving vending machine into a spaceship? Who gives a good god drat about the scope of pre-alpha level design when there is literally NO REASON to get into your ship and fly anywhere. CIG needs to give up. Just give the gently caress up and get outta here.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:30

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Thanks for taking the wheel, Thoatse.

Nice driving.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:34

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:36

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Toops posted:

3.0, what a loving joke. It's already a failure whether they release with one moon or three. Where is any semblance of a loving game? Remember that? The VIDEO GAME!! Where's some early iteration of an economy? How about trading, mining, salvage, repair, rescue, research, transport, exploration, fuel scooping, planetary missions that aren't just "go here and collect 10 bear asses..." Where are the Vanduul, the other alien races, and what role do they play in the universe other than hovering around a point of interest waiting to be shot? How do you get missions other than Jimmy 3-Coats? Are missions part of a cohesive narrative? Are they co-op? Can you form groups and share quests? Is there reputation? Fines? How about insurance beyond a high-pressure loving sales tacic?? Is anyone thinking about this poo poo, let alone prototyping it or, god forbid, MAKING it??? Even if 20 people can meet in-universe, and there was a place they could fly, why would they bother? What would they DO?? Stuff a loving vending machine into a spaceship? Who gives a good god drat about the scope of pre-alpha level design when there is literally NO REASON to get into your ship and fly anywhere. CIG needs to give up. Just give the gently caress up and get outta here.

They're making physicalized air traffic controllers.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:39

XK: Jul 9, 2001; Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Mirificus posted:

Derek said he'd give me a ride in his Tesla. Has Chris Roberts ever offered anyone a ride in his special edition Porsche? :colbert:

"Fingers crossed Derpy goes berserk when a police officer tells him to lie down on the floor."

Where did that come from? Does he want Derek to get killed by a cop?

XK fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 24, 2017

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:42

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

XK posted:

They're making physicalized air traffic controllers.

For ships that will never come.

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thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

Derek still hasn't posted pictures of his Iron Mountain-esque game vault.
:negative:

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:48

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