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# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:37

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 02:56

Trilobite: Aug 15, 2001

G0RF posted:

Nobody here thinks Sandi does the Marketing nor have they for ages � she shows up for ATV, occasionally twitters, pursues the next cutting room floor gig with that indomitable drive of hers, drives away Marketing subordinates quarterly, and hits a stage twice a year to tearfully giggle before a crowd as if each new appearance was her accepting a lifetime achievement award for humanitarian work rather than being a big awkward reminder she�s still making fat bank for reading scripts about marginal progress underway for a game she cares not a whit about.

At first I thought this said "a lifetime achievement award for humiliation work."

Ah well, there's always next year.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:37

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:40

Sabreseven: Feb 27, 2016

Given all the Senior level positions currently being advertised on job boards,

Can the thread title include "Senior Citizen" from now on?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:43

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

G0RF posted:

(I can�t believe you�ve had this many replies and nobody said �Nice meltdown.� And nobody pointed out you spelled �defenestrate� incorrectly either. Oh well I won�t break the streak.)

My reply is late so please ignore this if the thread moved on. Seems you made an earnest effort with your defenestration effortpost so I might as well do the same in reply.

�

�It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad.�

Well that�s a surprising mission statement at this point. MoMA, defenestrator of erroneous notions about crowdfunding at scale, etc.. I just assumed you stayed for the camaraderie and already made peace with the project malaise. I guess I misread that.

It�s honesty been a while since Erin, Sandi or Archer (!) have really been in the hot seat. Feels like Papy�s been made the heat sink for backer dreams this season in his new role. Poor bastard. Oh and Lando, too � laying it on thicker than ever, convincing no one, and leaving many of us nostalgic for the earnestness of the trueblood fanboy Lesnick.

Nobody here thinks Sandi does the Marketing nor have they for ages � she shows up for ATV, occasionally twitters, pursues the next cutting room floor gig with that indomitable drive of hers, drives away Marketing subordinates quarterly, and hits a stage twice a year to tearfully giggle before a crowd as if each new appearance was her accepting a lifetime achievement award for humanitarian work rather than being a big awkward reminder she�s still making fat bank for reading scripts about marginal progress underway for a game she cares not a whit about.

As for Erin and Chris, they both seem to be shrinking and retreating. Chris has pivoted back to Squadron oversight again so that should pretty much kill its hope of release in the next couple of years. Erin was supposed to be a confidence builder for the backers but at this point his machine gun stammer and worrying health signs just seem to heighten anxieties. He may be better off letting the Dukes of High Chill, Papy and Chambers, do the talking. Neither look like they�re about to grab their chest and start gasping � which is optically a more helpful look.

I don�t know how it looks from where you stand but it sure feels to me like 2017 was the year that the expansionist vision of Star Citizen surrendered to contraction and resignation, even though neither CIG nor backers are openly speaking of it. Capitulation is felt and seen everywhere even though old habits die hard and routines run habitually. It�s depressingly thin gruel for comedy sometimes but we do what we can.

CONSIDER THE LIVESTREAMERS

You can really see it on the regular fan livestreams. Redacted, Relay, the Captain�s Table, the Space Bro Show. Nobody is playing the release they spent a year and a half hyped to max about.

It�s widely agreed that 3.01 is unplayable. If it�s not the framerates, it�s the interdictions. If not the interdictions, the broken missions. So everybody�s jamming on Tarkov, Fortnite, Monster Hunter or something, anything else but Star Citizen during their daily streams and when they get together for their weekly discussions with other streamers, they theorycraft about 3.2, 4.0, �what I will do when (x) is in the game�, or they grouse politely about CIG�s gaffes of the last week. The old routines run out of duty, habit, compulsion � even though they rely on an assumption nobody really seems to believe anymore:

�The game will one day be fixed, fun and make possible all of these theorycrafted possibilities for gameplay I�ve been clinging to for years and do so better than all games that came before it.�

(Just listen to Erris on this week�s Relay craptalking about Bethesda�s supposedly terrible lockpicking mechanics and you�ll see him employ this when theorycrafting CIG�s better [but as yet totally undefined] way of implementing hacking in the game...)

The routines die hard, but even the longtime loyalists are exhausted, losing faith, watching the last dimly glowing embers of what was once white hot hope slowly crumble off as ash. Even if stability and performance weren�t such a brutal tax, the meager loops and frustratingly implemented play mechanics in the game are a drag as designed � a fact that guys like Luke Pressley at Foundry openly admit. There�s a huge burden to fix not just what is broken to make what isn�t broken Fun. In year 6.

Erris�s desperate pleading that �We need Chris, too� because �Chris gives me faith� a couple of weeks ago was a miserable drat sight; a dreamoholic with cirrhosis of the brain begging for a shot of the hair of the dog that bit him. Chris�s confidence helps Erris run the magic routine. But Chris is retreating, closing up, slipping away and he might as well, he may be symbolic source of hope for the dreamer collective but he�s the practical source of the project malaise just as Lucas was for the prequels.

Batgirl watched CIG revoke her backstage VIP pass right after they maximized the chance to squeeze it for a little extra CitizenCon 2017 hype � cold-blooded, considering how loyal she�s been and for how long. Now she�s venturing into constructive criticism.

Dan Gheesling said his pained goodbyes after explaining 3.0 didn�t have enough to keep either him or his viewers engaged.

BadNewsBaron wrote an essay of defense of Star Citizen on Medium.com a little while back, but he too has moved on quietly to new games.

Twerk probably didn�t realize the irony last week when he openly bemoaned that the bigger ships made for terrible FPS levels and it really needed fixing � he was only just now seeing problems that Heretic Beer4theBeerGod had written extensive warnings about three years ago. Good thing CIG drove out such voices and left the community a safe space for asskissers and theorycrafters � they�ll have only each other to feed on as they get exactly what they asked for all along, Chris Roberts�s unalloyed vision of the Best drat Space Sim Ever.

The malaise is everywhere � the sense that things have gone horribly wrong is widely felt though not widely acknowledged. It�s the subtext of nearly all discussions about the game between fans and streamers and even from CIG themselves yet never the text save for places like here, or Frontier forums, Derek�s blogs, the refunds subreddit, MassivelyOP or other little heretical outposts here and there. (There�s another very interesting one but I�ll write about that later.)

If the thread feels like a broken record, MoMA well, it�s in part because malaise has been the story here for years.

CIG really seems to be shrinking before our eyes and putting greater distance between leadership and the public than in the dumb ol� days. Most of the energy and enthusiasm these days has shifted to arguing about the Crytek lawsuit because at least that has a wide range of possible outcomes and will make winners and losers of those playing prediction games. That game has no designer, it�s been improvised on the fly by critics and fans serving their time-honored roles on a new battlefield, yet even that game is a better game than Chris has managed to put out after $180 Million and six years of effort. Seems like that says quite a lot, little of it good.

I still enjoy your participation in the thread, MoMA. How you spend your money is your business and if you want to use big $0.25 words in effort posts I�m hardly one to throw stones. You do you, even if you like to rock the maybe more than you should and the not enough.

https://twitter.com/digitalgain/status/963129968975691776

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:43

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

Sabreseven posted:

Given all the Senior level positions currently being advertised on job boards,

Can the thread title include "Senior Citizen" from now on?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:44

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

The dukes of high chill

Goddamn.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:45

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Sabreseven posted:

Given all the Senior level positions currently being advertised on job boards,

Can the thread title include "Senior Citizen" from now on?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:49

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Trilobite posted:

At first I thought this said "a lifetime achievement award for humiliation work."

Ah well, there's always next year.

It�s the height of hilarity that Sandi is unseen throughout the whole of The Road to CitizenCon yet she gets tacked on at the end anyway to payoff the treacle tunes CIG licensed for the big emotional wrapup that absolves them of their sins and puts the guilt back where it belongs, on the backers who dared have expectations.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:50

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

People who bite Dr Smart's ankles shouldn't be allowed to post in this forum imo.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:50

Drunk Theory: Aug 20, 2016; Oven Wrangler

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/VLGuild/status/963119813441748992
https://twitter.com/FRDarkRod/status/963119899462774784
https://twitter.com/StarBurgernl/status/963120073669074945
https://twitter.com/Cognition_Corp/status/963120108943048705

Look at all this organic natural interest at 10:37-10:38 am today.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:51

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/12/16997396/star-citizen-better-business-bureau-terms-of-service-changes

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:54

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

hakimashou posted:

"Dr" Smart shouldn't be allowed to post in this forum imo.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:54

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Daztek posted:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/12/16997396/star-citizen-better-business-bureau-terms-of-service-changes

Ahahaha,

loving Polygon posted:

Following a Polygon investigation into several high-value refunds requested by backers of the Star Citizen project, representatives from Cloud Imperium Games (CIG) and Roberts Space Industries (RSI) met with the Better Business Bureau (BBB) of Los Angeles and Silicon Valley.

Well gosh, glad Polygon was there to get to the bottom of all this instead of just running press releases!

loving Polygon posted:

�We did have a good meeting with the BBB,� said CIG in a statement provided to Polygon. �It was a very cordial and constructive meeting. In fact [McFarland] complimented CIG on our responsiveness to our customers and the constant stream of information we provide for our fans.�

*Rest of the article is just quotes from the statement*

Oh well, back to running press releases!

Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 12, 2018

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:57

Aeka 2.0: Nov 16, 2000; Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.; Dinosaur Gum

Isn't the BBB rather toothless?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:58

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/digitalgain/status/963129968975691776

Chris probably caught Seven Samurai on Turner Classics and had a new fever dream of the utmost urgency.

�Cyberkatanas in 3.1, stat. I will not be upstaged by Cyberpunk 2077!�

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:59

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

Yeah they have no power over you other than your rating.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:59

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Isn't the BBB rather toothless?

Well it's not a regulatory body, and you pay to be a member, and paying gives you a higher rating, so.

E: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/business-bureau-best-ratings-money-buy/story?id=12123843

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:00

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

Sarsapariller posted:

Well it's not a regulatory body, and you pay to be a member, and paying gives you a higher rating, so.

quote:

CIG is not currently a member of the BBB, nor do they plan to join.

�Since we are making Star Citizen with funds from our backers, we don�t feel we can currently use those funds for anything other than developing the game,� CIG said. �However once we reach a point where we are bringing in regular sales revenue, we�d certainly be interested to support non-profit organizations such as the Better Business Bureau.�

RSI on the other hand... :smuggo:

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:01

Canine Blues Arooo: Jan 7, 2008; when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with; Grimey Drawer

SoftNum posted:

I think Mr. French was hoping to get some sweet CIG money for being an adviser on the case (since afaik that's how he got that other gig he had). But now that it's obvious it won't happen he doesn't give a poo poo anymore.

Lawyers are not hired based on their Youtube commentary. I think you might be a bit delusional.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:04

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Isn't the BBB rather toothless?

The BBB is Yelp before the internet existed.

So basically 999/1000 complains are bullshit.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:06

Pilz: Jul 25, 2016; Grimey Drawer

HycoCam posted:

All depends on your frame of reference--if you are using CIG as your basis--PGI is as good as Blizzard and Rockstar... If you live in the real world--PGI still sucks, but not nearly as much as CIG.

So same as before, I guess. I wish I could get people to try out MWLL but it frightens them for reasons I don't understand.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:07

A Neurotic Corncob: Nov 12, 2016; A light wind swept over the corn, and all nature laughed in the sunshine.

I'm thinking that polygon piece is pre-emptive damage control for the refund gates closing shut.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:07

Gravity_Storm: Mar 1, 2016

This bitcoin thing looks interesting - anyone heard of it?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:09

ComfyPants: Mar 20, 2002

Charlie Hall posted:

Roberts� team at CIG and RSI has become a target of abuse and harassment these past few years, because their game projects are not yet finished. This is despite their being supported by the single most heavily-funded crowdfunding campaign of any kind, on any platform, for any thing.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:09

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

It's more "because" not "despite" Charlie you dipshit.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:14

Viktor: Nov 12, 2005

D_Smart posted:

Feb 13, 2018 @ 01:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hioAOD7c2EM

Today�s the 12th Derek

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:15

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

Daztek posted:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/12/16997396/star-citizen-better-business-bureau-terms-of-service-changes

�Since we are making Star Citizen with funds from our backers, we don�t feel we can currently use those funds for anything other than developing the game,� CIG said. :yarg:

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:15

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

"HA!" I say, pounding the desk so hard that my keyboard launches into orbit harder than Elon Musk's last ride. "BBB says that Star Citizen is an A+ safety rating! Take that, Derek Smart." I grin and lean back in the security of my ten thousand dollar homemade sim pit, built specifically to play a game that doesn't exist. "How can you possibly come back against an ironclad endorsement like that?" I gesticulate wildly, knocking over the statue of the RSI Constellation MK IV, a cheap chinese piece-of-poo poo model of a ship that cost me one hundred real American dollars and represents an art asset that was refactored so many times that it no longer bears any resemblance to the thing I received, that I cannot even use in game, because the game doesn't exist. "Wait until I tell all the guys on discord about this gaffe! We're gonna bury Chris in money." I pull my Star Citizen t-shirt over my Squadron 42 t-shirt, which I embarrassingly had embroidered with "Answer the call- 2014" and knock aside my Star Citizen joystick, a rebranded Thrustmaster that Chris announced one year in a dream frenzy, endorsed by no less than POLYGON even, before quietly selling the sole demo unit on ebay- good thing I'd been there to snipe it before some unbeliever could! Spittle flying from my unshaven face as I really lean over my now rapidly discoloring Star Citizen mousepad, really getting into my rant, I continue. "drat goons have been trying to say this game can't deliver and is basically just selling us garbage but I think the Better Business Bureau knows a thing or two about selling garbage!" I hold my hand up to shield my Javelin poster from the deluge- it is one of a kind, a real-life representation of the $2,500 dollar spaceship that bought but cannot actually fly because the game doesn't function and the ship itself will never, ever be released; This precious real-life version of the sales brochure jpg is likely the only contact I will ever have with an item that cost me as much as a used car. "Star Citizen can only get better from here, you loving FUD spreaders!" I shout, now apoplectic with rage, so swollen with anger that the Star Citizen badge I have sewn on my Star Citizen track jacket pops off and busts through my monitor. In my paroxysms I accidentally knock my Star Citizen travel mug over and like the horseshit piece of crap that it is, it shatters, sending mountain dew into my expensive gaming rig. Sparks fly as I wave my tiny hands in anger.

I sigh, finally coming back down, and survey the ruins. "Oh well, I've got three or four years to build another computer before the game's really playable." I tighten my kickstarted belt. "In the meantime, I'd better go post on the SA thread. Sounds like some motherfuckers need to get defenestrated."

E: I forgot the jacket link

Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Feb 12, 2018

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:23

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Daztek posted:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/12/16997396/star-citizen-better-business-bureau-terms-of-service-changes

quote:

�Since we are making Star Citizen with funds from our backers, we don�t feel we can currently use those funds for anything other than developing the game,� CIG said. �However once we reach a point where we are bringing in regular sales revenue, we�d certainly be interested to support non-profit organizations such as the Better Business Bureau.�

The BBB is an antiquated protection racket for corporate reputations and CIG spent more money paying their people to handle this Polygon brushfire than they�d have had to spend for dues. That soundbite above is an unforced PR error so easily refuted that even the fringe dreamiacs wouldn�t believe it.

And :lol:

at Charlie Hall LARPing as investigative reporter.

Clackity-clack-clack DING!

�Is CIG AOK with the BBB � our team investigates because we�re keeping them honest!�

Clackity-clack-clack DING!

Get real, man. You�re a stenographer sitting between two PR flacks crafting a mutually negotiated press release meant to turn controversy to nontroversy. As usual.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:26

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

Sarsapariller posted:

"HA!" I say, pounding the desk so hard that my keyboard launches into orbit harder than Elon Musk's last ride. "BBB says that Star Citizen is an A+ safety rating! Take that, Derek Smart." I grin and lean back in the security of my ten thousand dollar homemade sim pit, built specifically to play a game that doesn't exist. "How can you possibly come back against an ironclad endorsement like that?" I gesticulate wildly, knocking over the statue of the RSI Constellation MK IV, a cheap chinese piece-of-poo poo model of a ship that cost me one hundred real American dollars and represents an art asset that was refactored so many times that it no longer bears any resemblance to the thing I received, that I cannot even use in game, because the game doesn't exist. "Wait until I tell all the guys on discord about this gaffe! We're gonna bury Chris in money." I pull my Star Citizen t-shirt over my Squadron 42 t-shirt, which I embarrassingly had embroidered with "Answer the call- 2014" and knock aside my Star Citizen joystick, a rebranded Thrustmaster that Chris announced one year in a dream frenzy, endorsed by no less than POLYGON even, before quietly selling the sole demo unit on ebay- good thing I'd been there to snipe it before some unbeliever could! Spittle flying from my unshaven face as I really lean over my now rapidly discoloring Star Citizen mousepad, really getting into my rant, I continue. "drat goons have been trying to say this game can't deliver and is basically just selling us garbage but I think the Better Business Bureau knows a thing or two about selling garbage!" I hold my hand up to shield my Javelin poster from the deluge- it is one of a kind, a real-life representation of the $2,500 dollar spaceship that bought but cannot actually fly because the game doesn't function and the ship itself will never, ever be released; This precious real-life version of the sales brochure jpg is likely the only contact I will ever have with an item that cost me as much as a used car. "Star Citizen can only get better from here, you loving FUD spreaders!" I shout, now apoplectic with rage, so swollen with anger that the Star Citizen badge I have sewn on my Star Citizen track jacket pops off and busts through my monitor. In my paroxysms I accidentally knock my Star Citizen travel mug over and like the horseshit piece of crap that it is, it shatters, sending mountain dew into my expensive gaming rig. Sparks fly as I wave my tiny hands in anger.

I sigh, finally coming back down, and survey the ruins. "Oh well, I've got three or four years to build another before the game's really playable." I tighten my kickstarted belt. "In the meantime, I'd better go post on the SA thread. Sounds like some motherfuckers need to get defenestrated."

E: I forgot the jacket link

Wrong account?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:26

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

Daztek posted:

Wrong account?

I think that was pretty in line with this account's general posting style

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:27

Breetai: Nov 6, 2005; 🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

MOMA, I hope that someone cuts off your fenestrates.

...

Sorry. That last comment was a bit...

(�_�) ( �_�)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

below the belt. :c00lbert:

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:32

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Isn't the BBB rather toothless?

It's yelp+106 years

e: fb

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:34

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:39

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Sarsapariller posted:

"HA!" I say, pounding the desk so hard that my keyboard launches into orbit harder than Elon Musk's last ride. "BBB says that Star Citizen is an A+ safety rating! Take that, Derek Smart." I grin and lean back in the security of my ten thousand dollar homemade sim pit, built specifically to play a game that doesn't exist. "How can you possibly come back against an ironclad endorsement like that?" I gesticulate wildly, knocking over the statue of the RSI Constellation MK IV, a cheap chinese piece-of-poo poo model of a ship that cost me one hundred real American dollars and represents an art asset that was refactored so many times that it no longer bears any resemblance to the thing I received, that I cannot even use in game, because the game doesn't exist. "Wait until I tell all the guys on discord about this gaffe! We're gonna bury Chris in money." I pull my Star Citizen t-shirt over my Squadron 42 t-shirt, which I embarrassingly had embroidered with "Answer the call- 2014" and knock aside my Star Citizen joystick, a rebranded Thrustmaster that Chris announced one year in a dream frenzy, endorsed by no less than POLYGON even, before quietly selling the sole demo unit on ebay- good thing I'd been there to snipe it before some unbeliever could! Spittle flying from my unshaven face as I really lean over my now rapidly discoloring Star Citizen mousepad, really getting into my rant, I continue. "drat goons have been trying to say this game can't deliver and is basically just selling us garbage but I think the Better Business Bureau knows a thing or two about selling garbage!" I hold my hand up to shield my Javelin poster from the deluge- it is one of a kind, a real-life representation of the $2,500 dollar spaceship that bought but cannot actually fly because the game doesn't function and the ship itself will never, ever be released; This precious real-life version of the sales brochure jpg is likely the only contact I will ever have with an item that cost me as much as a used car. "Star Citizen can only get better from here, you loving FUD spreaders!" I shout, now apoplectic with rage, so swollen with anger that the Star Citizen badge I have sewn on my Star Citizen track jacket pops off and busts through my monitor. In my paroxysms I accidentally knock my Star Citizen travel mug over and like the horseshit piece of crap that it is, it shatters, sending mountain dew into my expensive gaming rig. Sparks fly as I wave my tiny hands in anger.

I sigh, finally coming back down, and survey the ruins. "Oh well, I've got three or four years to build another computer before the game's really playable." I tighten my kickstarted belt. "In the meantime, I'd better go post on the SA thread. Sounds like some motherfuckers need to get defenestrated."

E: I forgot the jacket link

You forgot the RSI/Star Citizen branded gaming rig that some lonely backer was trying to hawk for retail price 2 years prior to the sale he was making, arguing that the unique tower and looks was worth it.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:40