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Considering I know nothing of game development(TM), is this an effect of each part of the weapon being its own fidelitous model attached to each other? And due to CIG's engine being jank-central they simply separate at will? Isn't it more sensible to make each gun/sight/attachment-combo its own solid model that you simply switch for? Erenthal fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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I guess the ultimate intention is to take the individual weapon parts and use the hyper fidelitious animation system to let milsperg losers feel like they're really truly customising their spacegun for maximum tacticool power? That would make sense though (in as much as anything about this shitshow makes sense) so it's probably just that they're stupid as gently caress.
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Space Crabs posted:I assume Star Citizen's completely necessary basketball mode will obviously include a career mode and theme song designer mechanics. 
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Mar 19, 2017 10:49
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Can't wait to take my spacegun to the range to zero in the sights for half an hour after I fit a new scope
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Mar 19, 2017 10:55
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Need to fit a new trigger assembly as well once my new logitech mouse arrives
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Erenthal posted:Considering I know nothing of game development(TM), is this an effect of each part of the weapon being its own fidelitous model attached to each other? And due to CIG's engine being jank-central they simply separate at will? Isn't it more sensible to make each gun/sight/attachment-combo its own solid model that you simply switch for? I've been ghost wondering about this myself. Clearly the gun components are separate models, why that is can only be because crobblers demanded it for fidelity. That there are so many pictures and videos of those components coming apart, or being improperly arranged, is what I really don't get. Normally, you only see errors like that when something wild has happened with the code, or hardware is failing. It appears something wild is happening with Star Citizen's code on the regular.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:02
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Dark Off posted:Chris roberts and the VIP4 incident People need to ease up on the basketball chat and read this. I know some of you come here to read one liners on what's going on but please, invest 10 minutes and read this... it's amazing.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:08
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Yeah, it's a pretty good history of crobber's misspending of funds.
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Mar 19, 2017 11:25
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All that poo poo is a bit too dense, somebody is going to have to work on making all that investment and tax storyline more digestible. I'm even having a little trouble wrapping my head around what it's trying to say, and the proposed end motivation. I'm a smart guy, and I've read that poo poo 3 or 4 times, and I only kind of get it, I think. XK fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 11:38
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Erenthal posted:Considering I know nothing of game development(TM), is this an effect of each part of the weapon being its own fidelitous model attached to each other? And due to CIG's engine being jank-central they simply separate at will? Isn't it more sensible to make each gun/sight/attachment-combo its own solid model that you simply switch for? Possibly related to the speculation over Star Citizen scaling everything down to super small sizes. Code tells the engine put the sights at x:0.00008890 y:0.00002007 and it puts it at x:0.00008230 y:0.00002335 instead, but doesn't register as a problem because it was never expected to deal with values so precise. Having an entire model for every gun/sight/attachment combo sounds difficult to manage but does have some parallels to static site generation.
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https://twitter.com/grayheadedgamer/status/843293874789531649
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XK posted:All that poo poo is a bit too dense, somebody is going to have to work on making all that investment and tax storyline more digestible. I'm even having a little trouble wrapping my head around what it's trying to say, and the proposed end motivation. I think the idea is that investors raised 350 million bucks to pay for the production of films and would receive all earnings from them (since they paid for it!). Crobberts, instead of investing 100% of that money, only used 70m to pay for part of the film and stashed the rest away in sneaky ways, then he got loans using the stashed money as collateral to finance the rest of the films. So now the investors money was only *directly* financing 20% of the production and the rest was financed by loans (that in secret were guaranteed by the investors money) so investors would only get a 20% share of the earnings back instead of 100%. So you give me 10 bucks to buy a lottery ticket, then I buy the ticket using 2 of your bucks and 8 I got from Peter (who only let me borrow the money because he saw I have 8 bucks -that I took from you- in my bank account) so, when the ticket hits the jackpot I only give you 20% because that is your fair share. A real class act. trucutru fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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trucutru posted:I think the idea is that investors raised 350 million bucks to pay for the production of films and would receive all earnings from them (since they paid for it!). Crobberts, instead of investing 100% of that money, only used 70m to pay for part of the film and stashed the rest away in sneaky ways, then he got loans using the stashed money as collateral to finance the rest of the films. So now the investors money was only *directly* financing 20% of the production and the rest was financed by loans (that in secret were guaranteed by the investors money) so investors would only get a 20% share of the earnings back instead of 100%. Would anyone really be surprised if CR was doing the exact same thing here?
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Mar 19, 2017 12:23
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Would anyone really be surprised if CR was doing the exact same thing here? How would this translate to Star Citizen though? Whales don't get returns in any case
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Mar 19, 2017 12:33
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:How would this translate to Star Citizen though? Whales don't get returns in any case Keeping backer donations as collateral for getting bank loans. It's an even better scam since there is no return.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:37
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trucutru posted:I think the idea is that investors raised 350 million bucks to pay for the production of films and would receive all earnings from them (since they paid for it!). Crobberts, instead of investing 100% of that money, only used 70m to pay for part of the film and stashed the rest away in sneaky ways, then he got loans using the stashed money as collateral to finance the rest of the films. So now the investors money was only *directly* financing 20% of the production and the rest was financed by loans (that in secret were guaranteed by the investors money) so investors would only get a 20% share of the earnings back instead of 100%. This is pretty much what I eventually derived from that, but somebody who really understands what occurred needs to make it into a more straight forward narrative. Right now, that reads like, "I went into the woods, took a rock, bashed an animal in the head, cut its body into pieces, heated those pieces to 160F, mashed them up in my mouth, and placed them into my stomach." To the general audience, that's impenetrable. The individual operations are easily understood, but the overall context of what's happening is difficult to grasp. "I was hungry, I killed an animal, cooked it, then ate it." The motivation and what's being achieved is clear. I'm not clear if the proposed events were a tax avoidance scheme with the investors in on it, or it was an attempt to defraud investors, or both, or a scheme to steal bank loans, or a ponzi like Madoff, or they're leveraging funds legitimately but being kind of shady with them afterward. It needs a TLDR on the motivation and goal.
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There is no way whales are they only ones with money in Star Citizen.Dark Off posted:Ofc everyone involved in the final days of ascendant pictures were also hired into star citizen Annoying how the more information that comes to light, the more Chris looks like a real scam artist.
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That's because he is a scam artist.
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Mar 19, 2017 12:40
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So, backers buy digital ships, Chirps packages those sales into derivatives which investors and lenders buy in return for promises of interest and/or returns on investment. Chris can then repackage those funds, mixed with a certain portion of new ship sale funds, and sell them off as more secure due to the lenders' higher credit worthiness. Repeating this pattern five or six times to render the whale oil into hard(ish) cash, Chris' companies can have liabilities several times the amount of backer cash, which will all come tumbling in the extremely unlikely event ship sales crash.
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I've been playing home computer games basically since there were home computers, and this is an insane thing to think.
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bbchops posted:I've been playing home computer games basically since there were home computers, and this is an insane thing to think. To be fair, Space Invaders and Galaga do have more depth than star citizen. (But not Galaxian, gently caress that)
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bbchops posted:I've been playing home computer games basically since there were home computers, and this is an insane thing to think. I love that people think giving a for-profit corporation a donation is somehow an act of defiance. If I were in the game industry I would take this as a sign that my customers are not worthy of even a modicum of respect.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I love that people think giving a for-profit corporation a donation is somehow an act of defiance. If I were in the game industry I would take this as a sign that my customers are not worthy of even a modicum of respect. Funny you should say that...
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I love that people think giving a for-profit corporation a donation is somehow an act of defiance. If I were in the game industry I would take this as a sign that [b]my customers are not worthy of even a modicum of respect.[\b] I think gamers have established this a long long time ago, let's be perfectly honest. Star Citizen just turned that theory into law.
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XK posted:This is pretty much what I eventually derived from that, but somebody who really understands what occurred needs to make it into a more straight forward narrative. The motivation was to enrich himself unjustly by manipulating the loopholes in the system to keep more of the money for himself, rather than pay out the full returns on investment.
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What's this poo poo about Vulkan? Aren't they already delayed enough? They've some semblance of working 3D graphics, how about finishing the loving game (lol)?
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They can not even produce a basic patcher but SQ42 is supposedly being released this year, and I am sure it will have 100% full fledged, super duper Vulkan cherry on top.
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MedicineHut posted:They can not even produce a basic patcher but SQ42 is supposedly being released this year, and I am sure it will have 100% full fledged, super duper Vulkan cherry on top. I think it's somewhat conceivable they'll manage to squeeze out a SQ42 trailer in time for CitCon this year. I wouldn't give it a 10% chance or anything like that, but it's certainly possible.
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In what month does Chris normally start panicking for CitCon? August? Divert everyone to working on the 
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alf_pogs posted:"ghost wandering internet time" is beautiful and poetic
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XK posted:All that poo poo is a bit too dense, somebody is going to have to work on making all that investment and tax storyline more digestible. I'm even having a little trouble wrapping my head around what it's trying to say, and the proposed end motivation. XK posted:This is pretty much what I eventually derived from that, but somebody who really understands what occurred needs to make it into a more straight forward narrative. The source material is pinned in discord general chat, if you want to do your own write up. the gist of the whole plan was following investors invest in VIP, because its tax free investment. And they will get 100% of profit movie will make VIP pays money to shell company which in turn pays 20% to ascendant pictures. ascendant pictures takes a loan for rest of required money. And Chris roberts pay's 15% guarantee to investors in case movie doesnt get made, but of course that guarantee money is coming from investors. Movie starts making profit and chris will only pay 20% of it back to VIP instead of 100% that was promised. quote:But the funds' returns have fallen far short of their initial forecasts. VIP 3, for example, initially promised a return of some $37 million by 2004, but by the end of last year had made only $645,000. Finally as fraud gets uncovered. The investors are forced to pay taxes for 80% of funding that wasnt spend in movie production. I added some corrections to my write up a) i couldnt find ortwin's company link source anymore so i just removed it. Ortwin however was still heavily involved if you look on his imdb page. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0007156/ b) 15% wasnt actually guarantee for bank loans. It was guarantee for investors in case film was cancelled. And roberts paid that using investor money.
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 I'm loving the new fraud allegations that are coming to light , please Derek put your hounds onto it
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Truly amazing. Someone link me to recent AAA games that run natively on linux please, I'm curious.
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Sappo569 posted:
They aren't allegations. Several of the top people went to jail for fraud. Chris got away. There was no way as one of the top 3 exec producers for these movies that he didn't know they only had 20% of the budget they should have.
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Daztek posted:Truly amazing. Someone link me to recent AAA games that run natively on linux please, I'm curious. I run Linux on my everyday desktop for the last decade. Let me check. Oh, none of them. I guess that's why I bought a PS4.
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TheAgent posted:ME:A pre-release - game looks fun Game is actually cool and good though
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big nipples big life posted:You had over 2000 dollars in it lmbo Was this ever confirmed I thought he was paid in jpegs?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Remember when you were a kid and your parents would make hamburgers, but realize only too late that there weren't any buns? So you had to use regular white bread? And the grease and the bread would combine into this brownish-pink sticky substance that was impossible to get off your fingers? Bread is filler and nobody should eat it. I pile of hamburger meat and cheese is delicious
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