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XK posted:4pm PST, Friday, December 23: Here's some game changing news! They just farted in the elevator on their way out as the doors were closing. Merry Christmas CIG! Seee you next year!
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ManofManyAliases posted:I mean, I have ARMA, BF3/BF4, CS:Go. I don't need to subscribe to only one, do i? How much money have you spent on these games and what is the dollar:fun ratio compared to Star Citizen?
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Jan 3, 2017 21:05
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ManofManyAliases posted:It's a fancy cutscene. Don't get your panties twisted. Shut it down. Post of the year 2017 right here.
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Jan 7, 2017 22:39
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Beet Wagon posted:Not only that, but reviewing footage to find cheaters is almost useless against anyone who knows what they are doing, and only serves to rile up the community. Before Rainbow Six: Siege implemented cheat detection, the subreddit would get 10-12 posts a day calling someone out as a cheater and everyone would just argue whether the clip was cheating, lag, or a glitch. Hell, there was a super popular R6:S streamer who ultimately got banned for cheating and he was loving streaming the whole time. It seems to me that if you were going to build a mmo type game from the ground up, cheat detection would be part of the bedrock foundation, especially if people are spending tens of thousands of dollars to play. It's almost as if the person designing this game hadn't been involved in the video game industry for the last twelve or fourteen years
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Jan 10, 2017 22:34
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Crazy_BlackParrot posted:On a more serious note, I wonder how this move will effect their loyal streamers. I want to see them getting shot through the walls by unscrupulous cheaters LIVE! on air.
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Jan 11, 2017 00:05
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Jan 11, 2017 00:15
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ManofManyAliases posted:And wait, and wait, and.... wait? We've been waiting since your BLOG man. C'mon already! Maybe he should make a trailer with footage of legal action from 2014 and some clearly prerendered, not in engine footage along with a blog presale (war-bonded fresh cash only)?
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Jan 13, 2017 22:29
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ManofManyAliases posted:It's not over, so he can't be right or wrong right now. No, it's over. We're just watching CIG bleed out right now.
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Jan 16, 2017 22:23
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Kakarot posted:Gottem If CIG is doing so poorly, then how did they open up an new branch* of Foundry 42? *Branch is actually 3 undergrads in a dorm room working customer service for unpaid internship
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Jan 17, 2017 01:31
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AP posted:The CIG CFO bailing out isn't a very good sign imho. I wonder if he knows how borked the project is and if he thinks the government will let him keep that cash payout if they find out how shady the whole company under his leadership became.
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Jan 17, 2017 20:59
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ManofManyAliases posted:8 Million more and we can finally make the game as Derek had said! Wooooooo An actual game developer could maybe make the game with that kind of money, not a failed hollywood producer-turned used car salesman and his tickleporn actress wife
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Jan 23, 2017 19:46
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Wiz posted:An actual game developer could make *a* game with that money, probably even a pretty drat good game with a decent chunk of Star Citizen's promised feature list. I sincerely doubt anyone could make a game with the *entire* promised feature list of Star Citizen without it being a janky, broken mess, though. Scope creep is considered bad for a reason. Well, yeah, it's going to be *a* game because what Crobbets promised is essentially the Matrix using hardware from 2014. So impossible for everyone. But maybe the the original kickstarter goals could be attainable with that kind of cash.
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Jan 23, 2017 20:03
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Wiz posted:
Space toilets are a deal breaker. Don't make me do a chargeback.
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Jan 23, 2017 20:31
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MC68000 posted:This. This is a good post. Like when 3 phase would post in the bitcoin thread to teach us all a little about electronics and how bitcoin mining rigs are a trailer fire waiting to happen.
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Jan 24, 2017 01:22
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TheAgent posted:lol you mean like Chris and his Escapist letter or maybe more like Sandi's constant Facebook and Twitter pics or what if we were to grab some game devs away from their very important work and parade them in front of the camera for a few hours to give the illusion that progress is being made?
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Jan 24, 2017 02:42
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ManofManyAliases posted:CIG is not Elite. The models are not the same, whereas elite is a build first add later approach. I like CIG's approach of sell ships, sell some more, have another sale, then when the money runs out try to make a game. Truly innovators in their field.
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Jan 24, 2017 20:20
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ManofManyAliases posted:No, for real. You wrote the primer. You know exactly what you are doing. So what do you think is going to happen when Citizens see all the people heading for the escape pods of the UEE Titanic? 
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So Gary, who's leaving? https://youtu.be/NRIr9MNmCwU
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Jan 25, 2017 00:47
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Guys, guys, guys... It's OPEN DEVELOPMENT. We get to see everything and everyone working there. It's part of CIG's deal with the backers. The backers are the ones fielding the role of publisher here so everyone involved should be apprised of all the internal comings and goings.
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Jan 26, 2017 18:29
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Take a drink every time they talk about something planned versus implemented. It's always what to expect, never what we have right here right now.
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Jan 26, 2017 22:36
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Spatial posted:How much money do they have left anyway? At this point they must be burning through it quite quickly. Don't forget advertising and guerilla marketing. Those shill articles and positive comments aren't going to pay for themselves.
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Jan 30, 2017 21:29
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alf_pogs posted:
What the gently caress does "Economy" even mean?
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Quavers posted:Like Maximus Derekus Smarticus carving up his tattoo in that Gladiator film. "I spent all my money on space ships so I couldn't afford laser tattoo removal. So I used this rusty cheese grater I found at the bus stop."
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Because the pilot model is baked into the ship model once the commando seats himself Ned Nederlander: I think it's a "mail" spaceship. Dusty Bottoms: How can you tell? Ned Nederlander: Didn't you notice its little balls?
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nawledgelambo posted:
In true CIG fashion, Chris Robbetts brought a loose egg, a hand full of flour, a funsized bag of skittles and pictures upon pictures of cakes made by Betty Crocker. The next 30 minutes were spent explaining what he has planned and what to expect in the future, followed by a call for more pledges. He won first place because nobody had the balls to call him out on his bullshit.
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spacetoaster posted:Is that a bot from the company CIG hired to make fake news stories for them? I think they're just copy/pasting to troll the OP. Which is funny to me. Spite buying. That will show him. Totally.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:11
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AP posted:The problem with predicting the end is you don't know what investors are involved and Citizens are really dumb and keep giving them money. Logically the income has to decline sometime but if you just looked at their reported monthly income, they can easily borrow against it to keep the lights on. Then again logically you'd expect money worries to result in lay offs, but logic doesn't apply as it's a Religion and Chris Roberts thinks he can walk in space. You can't borrow against expected income because then they'd have to open their books and that would make any banker slap the poo poo out of you for even trying to get a loan. As soon as the layoffs start or the pay checks start to bounce expect refunds to surge and "pledging" to freeze. A few of the die hards might keep pledging but most backers are going to see how things pan out before buying another space news van.
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ManofManyAliases posted:
Well, when they run out of money, you're going to be wishing that they spent that animator's yearly salary on another back-end programmer. So that way, you could have a functioning game that would hopefully have customers to further fund expanded animations instead of a nice collection of animations in a broke rear end game that nobody will ever play or give money to.
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Feb 23, 2017 22:42
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The Rabbi T. White posted:That would make a lot of sense in a "getting paid without tax" kinda way. You get gifted a ship to sell on the grey-market for working, then no income tax needs to be paid. I always assumed that steamers were getting paid in ships that they could sell under the table so that they could keep claiming that they are not sponsored by CIG. Crobberts can create a ship out of thin air by moving some numbers around in a database and presto, a streamer has a 300 dollar ship for doing a few hours of talking about how great star citizen is. They probably just flip it on the grey market as fast as they can because anybody playing star citizen for that amount of time has probably figured out that the game is an irredeemable pile of poo poo that won't ever be fun. It's essentially work, not fun. But now we have the wrinkle of employees getting in on the action. Even if you sell at a 25% loss, a big enough discount could still generate decent amount of money at high volumes. If you get a 50% discount if you buy, say, a few completionist packages like someone did earlier this week, you could sell them at a net profit of a few grand. And then you could keep repeating the cycle bi-weekly until the bottom drops out and you're left with 30k worth of ships with no game and no suckers to unload them on. Or even better, say you had a bunch of Swedish Mafia cash you needed laundered. Buy a bunch of ships at a discount with accounts from employees in Brno, flip them on the grey market for nice clean profit. And CIG looks like it's operating in the black! Everybody wins! (Not the IRS though)
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cool new Polack jokes posted:
I don't know about cannibalizing. 300 bucks is an absurd amount to pay for a ship. But if you found one on the grey market for 250, well that's a steal and you better buy it before someone else does! It's like buying on sale vs paying full retail price. Either way the store makes money, the sales ticker gets the full retail price, and the sales are an incentive to splurge. Plus, gifted/transferred ships can't be refunded! There is probably a term or condition on the employees that tell them that they can't get refunds on discounted sales as well.
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chochmah posted:/r/outreachSC ? /r/starcitizen_refunds is pretty much /r/starcitizen_refugees. They should put up a big banner that says "We welcome Chris's victims" "It just came storming through, waving it's arms and blowing all this hot air. Suddenly my entire college fund was gone! How am I going to rebuild?"
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Beet Wagon posted:You uh.... gonna out yourself just like that, huh? page 700, hurry up and nominate Kayak for the top dog tournament already
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Achamp posted:This would be pretty lovely on a number of levels if true. Well, if you think about it, there is a limit to the size of the discount that Apple can give to it's employees. It would probably top out at the total cost of manufacturing the product, just parts and labor, no profit margin from employees. Apple would be rightly pissed if somebody was flipping products on the side. They are losing profit. CIG does not have to worry about manufacturing a drat thing. Most ships are drawings with some made up stats. The discount can be what ever keeps ships moving out the door. Even if you lose 30% for selling a ship to an employee who sells it to a backer, you still get to put the whole price on the scoreboard. That is the true value here. It's the confidence that you're getting by moving as many ships as possible, even at a discount. Confidence is the real currency CIG is running on. It's what keeps people buying and keeps them from refunding. As soon as the confidence runs out, everything grinds to a halt. Employees profiting off this is pretty much what they've always been doing. They're getting money from backers to work for CIG. Whether it's from making coffee, designing ships, or making animations OR from dealing discounted ships to backers, it's pretty much the same. It's about the same level of scamming to me. Except that maybe employees would be stuck with 50k worth of ships that they can't unload when this all goes under. Which would be like getting paid in CIG stock that suddenly became worthless.
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MinorInconvenience posted:Well, if the numbers are real and correct then real backers are buying those ships at full price on the primary market. Thus, Croberts is able to unload those ships if this is all real. If it isn't real, the secondary market would necessarily be smaller/cheaper than the aforementioned potentially real primary market. Does that make sense? But the primary market gives you option to refund, even if it is past the new ironclad TOS date. Are people really risking losing everything just to save a bit of cash on a ship? Is the faith strong enough to buy without a refund option but still not strong enough to give the full amount to CIG?
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MinorInconvenience posted:I defer to those with more knowledge. But I didn't think that new purchases were particularly refundable under the new TOS? Again, I am just spitballing here. The new TOS says no refunds but European and Australian consumer protection laws allow for a refund up to 14 days AFTER delivery. No ship or game means that refunds have to go through. I don't know if refunding ships that were bought after the TOS change was tested at all overseas or in the US but I haven't yet heard of somebody being flat out denied a refund since Streetroller got the government involved. Refund requests tend to get escalated, then you get a plea to watch a video, then after a few emails the refund goes through.
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With the "crowdfunding" numbers, the expensive DLC ships that you can buy, the ease at which CIG can create ships to give out, the ease of selling and trading ships, the complete lack of oversight... Something fishy has to be going on. It's just too easy to manipulate the system CIG created and controls. Apple can't create a bunch of iPhones out of thin air to give away or sell to employees, but CIG can with their own marketplace. Their digital goods are something I've never seen before. Fully stocked WOW accounts can't net the kind of money space ships can. Even giving out free game download codes nets you only fifty bucks a pop if you can manage to flip it somehow. What kind of other game content can be pulled out of someone's rear end and sold for straight cash? And nobody can tell them not to?
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MinorInconvenience posted:I get the sunk cost fallacy (my job kinda depends on idiots believing in it), but refunds are available. They can flee now. It looks like many have. I doubt that they update the ledger with leavers. It says people that pledged so legally, it's still true. Why show anything that's bad to the public if they are in the clear As to the number of leavers, I don't think that it is that big right now. Even if you factor in the backers who quietly get refunds, don't post about it ever, and quietly slink away, I don't think that leavers factor in that much. The real danger is backers becoming jaded and keeping their wallets closed during sales. That's the number that is dangerous to CIG. It's easier to not buy than it is to admit that you're an idiot for pledging in the first place and then seeking a refund. The latter requires some painful introspection and some actual leg work to get your money back. The former is just mental gymnastics, telling yourself that you don't like the newest ship, that you don't need another fighter, that you've spent plenty and the project is humming along nicely.
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Daztek posted:
Aw poo poo son, guess what's getting moved up to 3.1, maybe even 3.0...
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MinorInconvenience posted:Are you telling me that 5 people dropped $15,000 to purchase ships in a game that does not exist? How is this possible? I get that a lot of crazy and obsessive people exist out there. But so many wealthy crazy and obsessive people?? Something just feels wrong with the reported amount of daily/weekly/monthly funding. How many untapped whales can be left at this time? The whales are extinct. The only ones that exist are the ones trapped in tiny pools owned by Croberts and co so that they can be milked for every last dime they have. You're not going to find fresh whales that are just now hearing about Star Citizen and manage to push past the missed dates and lack of progress to spend 15k. Everybody that will ever buy star citizen has already heard of it. It has been years and everyone that has been paying attention has already formed an opinion. Buy now or wait and see.
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