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Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Just imagine that one day there might be a Star Citizen museum with choice framed GIF's and JPEGs and terminals where people can browse these threads.

What other sorts of displays would be good for this museum?

Here are some ideas:
-Life size replica of pallets of $100 bills showing how much money was spent on the game
-Wax statues of some of the Key players in classic poses (Ben on the Couch, Chris at the computer playing)
-Derek's original blog post, The fourth stimpire text, and Chris's reply to the escapists all printed on parchment papers in climate controlled cases like where they keep the declaration of independence
-Bathrooms will be designed to be like on the ships
-A coin operated golf cart ride

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Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Honestly a space-based FPS with Zero gravity combat could be a real good addition to the genre if they would just ditch the whole space sim or at least limit it to what's technologically feasible

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I watched a leaked video of 2.6 where the camera was circling ships in a hangar as the colors on the ships were changing. This was showing off some of the different color schemes that people can use to customize their ships. The idea of being able to customize stuff is cool to a limited extent but it's also probably going to make some people mad that are more towards the RP/Sim end of the spectrum. I know that's annoying to me in games like Black Ops III when you're trying to play a military game and there are just rainbow colored dudes bunny hopping all over the map.

Imagine if you warp in with your $2,000 grimdark doom chariot and you get ganked by a dozen guys in pink starter ships abusing the flight model to circle strafe or some poo poo like that.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
lol everyone use throwaway accounts to innocently ask if Star Citizen has VR support

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
You guys won't find ME in a sketchy place like GRIMHEX. I'm a law abiding citizen!

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Stuck waiting on these releases
Hope they don't make a console port
Suffocation
No Breathing
The airlock's glitched, and my wallet's bleeding

Nanananananananana

Overwhelmed by bug reports

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Xaerael posted:

Hey CIG... Your sound design is rear end. It sounds like a room of obese motherfuckers with chronic flatulence. Much like your studios, but it's still unforgivable.

Here's some tips to crobble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_zqpdwBr5w

Was literally just thinking that they obviously don't have a sound team

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I think the one message that just can't seem to get from the goons to the brown sea is that it's not the buggy non-game that people get upset about, it's the lying, dishonesty, and misrepresentation.

If Chris had just been up front and said look we did some testing and CryEngine isn't going to work and it's going to take 5+ years to develop the tech, it would have sucked but we would have respected the honesty.

Instead they've just doubled down on scumminess every step of the way

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I also think the brown sea doesn't realize Derek is just one of the louder, weirder goons rather than our actual leader.

hail Derek, hand of Lowtax

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

alf_pogs posted:

1. at some point, lando or lesnick will be on-screen, and someone will come and whisper a change of schedule or bad news in their ears. they will get that glassy-eyed look of depression and sudden intense pressure, like bush jr. in the front of the little kids
2. an exciting new commercial for a new ship, or a reskin of an old ship, or a new ad for an old ship
3. technical difficulties
4. star marine trailer / hype building with nothing released or provided to Joe Videogameplayer
5. sandi will try to smile but will inevitably give us a sneer or scowl worthy of jon voight in 'anaconda'

alf_pogs posted:

1. at some point, lando or lesnick will be on-screen, and someone will come and whisper a change of schedule or bad news in their ears. they will get that glassy-eyed look of depression and sudden intense pressure, like bush jr. in the front of the little kids

alf_pogs posted:

1. at some point ... lesnick ... will get that glassy-eyed look

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Also I kind of realized that they still have a lot of stuff in their bag to fleece whales for when the times start to get really hard. All they have to do is finally drop a 15 second CGI clip of the Vanduul and that'll get them through at least a fiscal quarter. They really have mastered the art of not releasing content. Honestly I see the funding going up to at least 180-200 million before release. Even if you manage to fool only 0.01% of nerds there are just so many people in the world.

"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is on-paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarp!"

Amarcarts fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Dec 16, 2016

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

hardycore posted:

What game would you make with 140 million, endless time, and a legion of devoted followers?

I'm thinking the ultimate nostalgia bomb Secret of Mana-esque couch-coop ARPG, or a city builder taking the best parts of SC4 and Skylines, adding a lot of cool procedural stuff, and adding the ability to start in city in pre-industrial times and build into a dazzling 21st century megapolis, with each era its own distinct, fleshed out experience.

Warhammer 40k MOBA

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

:golfclap:

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I just hope it doesn't turn into some Jonestown sort of thing

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I only have a GTX 660 otherwise I would pick up ED in a heartbeat. What's the Engineers expansion bringing to the table?

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Truga posted:

Shouldn't a gtx 660 run ED just fine?

Also, engineers brings module modding into the game. i.e. you mod your powerplant to produce more power, but also more heat, or your weapons to do more damage etc.

Basically what SC advertised with "equipment overclocking", but it actually exists.

It would run it but I refuse to play games on anything but the highest graphic settings. I always buy cards when they are around $200 so I'm a few years behind the most recent titles

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
It works out good because I pick up AAA titles on sale for $10.

edit: None of my friends play games either so I'm more into single-player stuff

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Wrecked Angle posted:

I'm not a PC master race kinda guy but that's a pretty dumb set of values you've got going on there..

See my next post I'm poor

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

tooterfish posted:

I know, I just blew your mind.

Actually my mind got permanently blown when I saw the prices for Star Citizen 'microtransactions' for the first time.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Erenthal posted:

I might have missed this in the last 6000 pages of threads, but Shankerz is one of us right?

That's what I first thought but then I saw his post count. Unless he's the manchurian candidate or some poo poo nobody on earth has the patience for that kind of deep cover assignment.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Yes. But the devs I know and have worked with wear casual shirts and jeans that they purchased this century, not ridiculously oversized castoffs from Styx's roadies on the Come Sail Away tour.

I'm letting it go now, though.


This sounds like the beginning of a logic puzzle. "Toast never tells the truth. Crumpet lies on alternate Thursday. Scone always tells the truth, but answers in the form of a question."

Meh I'm less picky on this particular front. The better your social skills the worse you are with technology as a general rule.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

DigitalMocking posted:

Meanwhile over at an actual competent kickstarter dev: http://battletechgame.com/

Another huge update, with new features, plans, concrete dates, milestones.

Clearly they don't know anything about game development.

This game looks good

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Clown Stimperium "Games" presents a Crobblers Space Toilet Stimdustries joint: Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrpppppppp

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

ArfJason posted:

BTW unsubstantiated pedo accusations have a history of severe punishment on this site, so I hope you guys can see into that.
Guess I'll have to add it to the list:
Dont doxx.
Dont send death threats.
Dont spend every day of your lives trawling through posts about the videogame you hate.
Dont follow people online and keep track of all their activities because they like the wrong videogames.
Dont accuse people of a major crime like pedophilia without substantial evidence.
Dont tell people to kill themselves.

Was you born mad bro?

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

spacetoaster posted:


Nobody has to explain why they "should be able to" have civil rights. Honestly I don't understand how you could live in a place where the people in power are allowed to have things that are illegal for everyone else.

Under that reasoning wouldn't it be fair then to give every citizen the nuclear launch codes?

I enjoy shooting as a hobby myself but I agree with things like banning automatic weapons and doing background checks so felons can't purchase guns.

For people who aren't from the US:
To understand the issue in America you just have to realize that most people (the vast majority in fact) don't go and buy a gun and kill a bunch of other people. Pro-gun control people argue that various government restrictions on buying and owning guns will reduce the incidence of gun violence. Overall gun violence is very rare in America. In certain localities gun violence is relatively high. Most ordinary people use their guns for target practice as a hobby and/or skill development activity. Anti-gun control people don't want these restrictions for a variety of reasons.

The issue is complicated because most advocates for both sides have an emotional and sociocultural attachment to their position, so the perceived quality of any given argument is highly variable.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Tippis posted:

Seems reasonable enough. It's just that the end result, at least from the outside, is that you all look like a bunch of paranoid violence-fetichistic nutcases — in large part because of that obviously emotional response… :D

And that's from someone who fully agrees that shooting is a fun hobby, and who's just as annoyed with the current EU drive to ramp up weapon ownership restrictions.

Yeah. Probably some of that perception comes from the high prevalence of violence in American entertainment media. Even many gun control advocates still enjoy action movies and FPS games because it is not real violence. You also have to remember that there are over 300 million people in America and modern media can mask our true census.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Wrecked Angle posted:

The last time I spoke with a guy about introducing gun control in the States he made a good point. Even if you could convince everybody you'd still have the problem of actually introducing it.

Say you make it so that most people can't legally possess a gun, you've then got the problem that there are millions of the things out there. All the good, law-abiding people hand over their guns, all the criminals hang onto theirs. Straight away criminals will be robbing people at gunpoint and the masses will want their guns back.

You still don't solve the problem of having shootings. You still have to have police who will assume anyone they're dealing with has a gun.

It would be really hard to do even from a practical point of view and would likely take decades to get straightened out, decades where you would need to keep the public sentiment on the gun-control side of the argument.

TBF the issue encompasses many different aspects of firearms regulation and legislation making it a more complex topic than simply "allowing or banning guns." There are different strains of gun violence as well. it is not a simple issue of good guys and bad guys out in the world. Every criminal commits a "first crime", before which they were not a criminal. Not all crime is planned by masterminds who chose criminality as their profession there are many crimes of opportunity committed. There are also crimes related to an otherwise normal individual's deteriorating mental health, crimes of passion, accidents, and crimes committed under the influence of substances. There are many different issues about what sorts of guns should be allowed. Most people on both sides have some sort of sense that the ordinary public should not have access to extremely destructive weapons for general safety, but the issue is what exactly the definition of "extremely destructive" is. There are millions of guns out there but they are of all different kinds. Some of them are antiques, handguns, long guns, rifles, shotguns.

My main point is that the issue is more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I'm cool with the Doom box art thing because it's more of an homage/tribute, but you can't just do the digital equivalent of tracing like with the Halo stuff.

Lots of great art is heavily influenced by art that came before, but it's only respectable when you add some original value.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Also Christmas in the stimpire is the most painful time of year. All gifts are virus bombs and all wrapping paper is made of razor blades.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this infographic a bullshit attempt to justify problems with SC's development?

I thought Alpha was the game content and feature set is essentially finished and in the build and all they are doing are fixing bugs found by internal playtesters. A beta build to me is basically the finished product as far as they can tell internally but they send it out so they can find rare bugs that only occur with specific machine configurations or are difficult to replicate. Maybe they also do some balance changes as they pull in better data from a large number of players but that's essentially a separate process from the software development since they are just tweaking weapon damage and stuff in spreadsheets.

From what I've seen Star Citizen IS pre-Alpha by conventional standards. I think the main argument revolves around if it is even past the design stage.

Amarcarts fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Dec 22, 2016

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
the stimperor injects

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I bet what was originally planned is that 2.6 was supposed to be the last StarEngine release and 3.0 in 2017 was originally going to be the big switch and they were hoping it wouldn't be a big deal because "Wow! Look at all this planetary stuff!". Probably what happened though is they just flat out could not get Star Marine working with StarEngine and they decided it would be a worse headline to delay Star Marine to next year than to bite the bullet and tell everyone they had to move to a different engine.

From a technical standpoint I'd bet CIG is no worse off and may actually be in a better position to actually get a game out of this whole deal, but they really hosed themselves on the PR end with all their scheming. Cultists will no doubt be thinking that CIG is contributing to Lumberyard, exchanging their magical technology for discounts on AWS when really what happened is Amazon is getting (relatively) dirt cheap visibility for their new games division. The customer data for advertising is the real financial asset in all of this. Look at the changes to the TOS privacy section.

Traditional publishing is a thing of the past, as Amazon's recurring costs in AWS are paid for as CIG uses them and Amazon gets the data anyways. It doesn't matter to Amazon one bit if the game actually gets finished.

Amarcarts fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Dec 24, 2016

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Then again the whole thing could just be their discount with Google drying up.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Oh how I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the Roberts family Christmas dinner.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I think the thing that will really hurt them is that they've kept it a secret so long. They could have just announced this as part of the network 3.0 plan and spun it as "since it's still all based on CryEngine it really won't cost us a whole lot of additional time or money." Waiting until the Friday evening 2 days before Christmas when it's clear this has been in the works for a long time looks like they were deliberately hiding it, meaning it's bad. If it was such a good deal why didn't they announce it the minute they made it?

Again, it always comes back to the dishonesty

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Either the switch is already done and the game still sucks or it has yet to be done and the game may be possible but we don't know yet

Lumbercuck

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt!

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
So overall how does 2.6 play is it still pretty buggy? How does it compare to previous Baby PU releases quality wise?

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

This is a few pages back but derek that isn't how secrets work.

You can't make a general blanket claim that something is going to happen sometime, then when something happens go "See? This is what I was talking about but I couldn't say anything because only a few people knew"

Because you know what that would do? The same exact thing as if you had released the information. It gets out that the small group of people that knew about it are your sources.

There is zero reason to not release the information if you are going to retroactively burn your sources, so it just looks like you are making poo poo up wholesale.

But he's not actually burning his sources because there's always the scenario where he's making it up. He was right this whole time!

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Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
I'm actually kind of willing to take Chris at his word that the Engine change didn't take very long because it's not like they had a working product to begin with that could get broken in the process. It's like doing surgery on a corpse it's actually really really easy and there's nothing to get anxious about as long as nobody is watching.

Merry Christimas

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