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Beet Wagon posted:In honor of their most recent (and blatant) Archering I feel like the Star Citizen Dark Knight needs to be front and center in the picture. Make sure you can see his gun and clenched fists to really get the point across to anyone that might dare to laugh.
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Hav posted:I think we need one of those compound names to indicate they're besties, like 'Kimye'. Best I can do is Delowtaxart, and it sounds like a medication than a marriage made in heaven. Richart, Deryanka or Smartax are the only options
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Senor Dog posted:You complaining about trolls is loving hilarious I think if you have to dig into someones post history and follow them around the forums to ineffectually mewl at them after a brutal ownage then yes, they can be said to be an authority on trolling
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Jan 23, 2017 06:09
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The Titanic posted:I think if anything beyond how to/not to scam people come out of this, it should be the importance of graphics. I think it's just a similar phenomenon to calling Chris Roberts visionary. He objectively isn't and is a complete hack that is a failed movie director rolling around in a huge pile of burning cash like The Dark Knight but for the dream to be real he has to be visionary. The more emotionally invested they are in this fantasy life they are dreaming about, the more revolutionary it has to be to justify their faith, and the more visionary Chris Roberts has to be to make it possible. The dream is totally happening because the guy making it is a legendary, visionary, einstein-of-his-time super genius. The dream is totally happening because it's already shattering game conventions and has revolutionized the world with never before seen technology. None of that is true, it's actually laughable and actually a little sad the way they project this poo poo out there. They've turned a guy with a mediocre game franchise from decades ago, with the worlds dumbest movie who has been fired from anything good he has ever been associated with into jesus christ by selling themselves a lie. See Also: Buying ships to reassure themselves the dream is real with tangible, receipt proof of owning the dream.
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Sorry Citizen, but throughout the decades families have been established as JPEG artisans that teach each new generation of their progeny how to make star citizen ships in familial apprenticeships. I mean you could hope for an opening but the Star Citizen Artisinal Jpeg system has been around since 2024 easily.
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Feb 8, 2017 00:51
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Chin posted:Searched page for "added". Nine results. Only thing that was an actual addition and not just tweaking or bullshit was "Pilot facial idle animations have been added for all ship variants!" Exciting! I can only speculate but they are having disastrous levels of funding and this patch is literally all they have so they might have overclocked the smoke machine and polished up the mirrors.
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Feb 8, 2017 19:52
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The accumulated notes of all their tweaks and lies will foam up about their waists and all the commandos and whales will look up and shout 'Two Point Six" and I'll look down and whisper "LOL"
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ManofManyAliases posted:I don't get it. If they have 3XX people performing various tasks, and some were hired specifically for work on flight mechanics, art, ships, etc., why can't these people just do that? Does every need to be pulled off to work on tasks outside of their job responsibility? you are using your personal bias to turn this situation into a positive and the longer and harder you do it the sadder it gets. rather than mock the $8000 of ships you have it just makes me feel bad now.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:51
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TheAgent posted:hello Can you give any more clarification on the Squadron 42 thing? If that's true that's the end. Squadron 42 was supposed to have a retail release and it's obvious they've plowed the past 4 years and more than your figures of $70,000,000 into it. eightace predicted July 2017 for company failure but I'm not so sure they have another 5 months in them if your leaks are true.
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Feb 11, 2017 00:02
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D_Smart posted:My latest Star Citizen missive talks about 3.0, SQ42, the E.L.E and why backers are pretty much, screwed. I know i give you a lot of poo poo but quote:SQUADRON 42 – #JUSTANOTHERGAME MODE? I don't ever remember you saying this until after eightace said it the other day. Feel free to drop the Tsar Bomba of words on me going back to july to prove me wrong though.
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Feb 14, 2017 17:53
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Chunjee posted:This line of thinking has been in play since at least January 8th. yeah so theagent and eightace said it and now derek is crowing from the rooftops about how he was the one that said it all along, got it. I'm sure at some point in the last 4 years i predicted this too, because this poo poo has gone on so long everyone has predicted everything at this point, it's like a TV IV thread where a character reveal happens after a 1 year break in the show and goons scramble over themselves to dig through the thousands of speculation posts to prove they were the ones to have called it.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:25
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TheAgent posted:I started my career during the tech bubble of the 90s. Back then you had companies with tons of employees being bought out for tens of millions. The thing is: they never had a product. They had ideas, they had workers, concepts, mock ups, meetings; they had everything a company should have, except a product. This is a more evolved form of that situation though. Microsoft would dump money into someones dreams and eat a loss but eventually they would stop or move on. CIG has monetized it's desperately stupid fanbase to the point where they are paying to reinforce their faith based viewpoint. Where Microsoft might do some kind of analysis or investigation into profitability and margins, backers instead spend more money to make themselves feel better.
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AP posted:Also moment of truth, the cat thing at the top of each page is really stupid. I'll take cat posting over you prophetalizing derek
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Feb 15, 2017 23:58
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Quavers posted:Frontier aiming to kick CIG while they're down, streamed live in a few minutes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU
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Feb 16, 2017 21:03
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TheAgent posted:hello The reason this leak sounds incredibly true is because it's obviously what they would have to do to push out an ideological life preserver for the backers to extend the amount of ship sales they can do. They need another anniversary sale and another gamescom sale and a dozen other ship sales, so they have to deliver something. A completely instanced menu option that shits you out on a empty "planet" that is coincidentally the easiest type to make (desert) with almost none of the features or infrastructure that would imply a completed game or future progress? This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where we see how desperate the backers are. They ran out of fake demos and are now spending all year to make a fake game. Backers will not understand why it is a fake game and be unable to parse the difference between a game and a fake game. It will be like that backer smugly proclaiming that the game can't be too small if the ships are too big to fit into memory to render. "That game! Game exist!" *clacking rocks together* Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Starcitizen Patch " Edit: I think this will be the patch that backers point to when they wistfully talk about the potential the game had if only more people had believed and that the tires are going to fall off before they can manage to hack out a "planet" and get enough funds from backers to keep going. "We were weeks, not months away from procedural planets, mining, missions, ground vehicles and outposts! The money wasn't wasted and I wasn't stupid for paying $3,000 for an autism chariot" haha Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 23:35
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Zzr posted:I don't feel bad for them. Outside of contractors or short term contracts, anyone who worked at CIG and co for years participate at least passively in this scam. I hope this will be an indelible stain on their resume. I can relate believing in a project and putting your heart and soul into it but this isn't 2013 or "Hey our promises are kinda big and outlandish but we are getting to work" 2014 or "Okay our release is this year, big game, scope expanded though so okay it's pushed" 2015 or "Alright we are a year late but we expanded the scope. THATS the reason we aren't releasing. Yep. Buy ships though." 2016 or "Here is an obviously fake demo. Buy ships. Buy more ships. Here is another fake demo. BUY SHIPS. BUY SHIPS. BUY SHIPS." it's almost six years in and they are still working for people that have taken advantage of thousands of people that have obvious mental deficiencies to the point where there will be marriages and families destroyed and a real world death toll from these people paying tens of thousands of dollars for obvious lies. I still support the 99% of the company that aren't responsible but at a certain point you lose your plausible deniability since you are the ones enabling this scam to continue by designing the new artwork and being the middleman between a talentless hack and autistic peoples wallets.
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Feb 16, 2017 23:45
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Scruffpuff posted:Sunk effort fallacy is very real (it's still called sunk cost fallacy, but here the cost is time invested rather than money). It's rampant among the extremely inexperienced. Established masters of their trade know when things are going south or not, and cut their losses. Inexperienced employees do not - they're more likely to stick with it, and make it even worse by mistaking ignorance for loyalty, thus giving themselves the moral high ground while simultaneously wasting their lives away. This is incredibly applicable and applies to other industries. I'm not in game design but I've seen the same concept applied to a multitude of situations.
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Wiz posted:Clearly, CIG are just doing new things that nobody has ever done before, like crunching for a whole year. I had a job move from 5 10 hours to 5 12s. Then 6 12s. Then optional 7 day straight work weeks. When people complained at a company meeting about the possibility of mandatory 7 day weeks the lead managers response was "OH YEAH?!? Well at our (other state) facility they've been working like that for NINE MONTHS. You guys can't handle two months of 72 hour weeks?!? (employee name) has been working 84 hour weeks every week!"
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Sappo569 posted:This latest update from TheAgent is surely good news for star citizen and proof they are on the right track it really is good news if you are still a backer, since it will be an indeterminate amount of progress toward the dream that technically isn't zero. buying ships when there is no indication of anything at all requires pure faith, but buying ships when something comes out is much much easier to justify to yourself.
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Demanding real identifying documents that require scanning or forms that need faxing would be a good way to slow down and discourage people asking for refunds. I also can't see any other reason to do that other than to try and slow down and discourage refunds. Maybe their tactics of arguing, pleading or misdirecting people isn't working as well as they would like since everyone who has enough money on the line has motivation to figure out they can not deny refunds under any circumstances.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Actually I don't think that is the case. I mean it's the common joke that backers are dumb enough to keep this trash fire going but something to consider is the cost of Squadron 42. It's a shift in consideration for what they are doing since it would be an actual release. To shamelessly quote myself, Add "3.0 Patch" in there before SQLude since theagent's leaks make it sound like they can't even finish the SQlude now and are pushing it back to try and make more money with another smoke and mirror routine. The real deciding factor is how long it takes them to make 3.0, how the whale's attitudes hold up and how their expenditures go. It's entirely possible they hit a point where 3.0 is still months away, their income in way below whats needed and then they have to do some downsizing or take other actions that signify bad health or trouble with the company which will have a disastrous impact on the whales which will further hurt the income. I don't believe people that say this will last years and years, especially since it looks like Crobblers will run 100% inefficient right up until he is unable anymore and then have no preparation and no assets to try and proceed at a sensible / reduced pace. If he were going to settle in for another few years of development or any of the theoretical situations where he can survive a complete collapse of backer faith then he would have downsized already or taken a single step toward something sensible and efficient. It's like a sports star that has tens of millions of dollars buying solid gold toilets and jets with giant sapphires for windows. People can totally argue he could liquidate X or survive off of Y if he made sensible responses to things that happen, but nope hes going to keep writing checks until they start bouncing and end up with a huge amount of debt.
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Daztek posted:darn, CIG finally killed the grey market??? The grey market won't die gradually, it will be instantaneous. Whenever the confidence scam finally dissolves supply will explode by 100x while demand hits 0 and all past prices are immediately invalidated. The only sales at that point will be like the Star Citizen equivalent of those guys that went around buying Mt Gox bitcoin holdings from people at reduced rates because they thought they were taking advantage of other people and would profit for buying $10,000 Mt Gox dollars for $2,000, when really they are just throwing away $2,000 to cut the loss of someone else from $10,000 to $8,000. The people who have huge stockpiles of ships that run stores on the star citizen ship trading reddit are probably already hosed
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Who the gently caress will buy another racer the easiest way to relate to a backer on this one is to not see it as a purchase of a racer but answering a question. "Is Star Citizen Good?" answering yes is the purchase of the sale item. answering No is not spending money. You can plug "Is the Dream Real?" or "Will I be happy in my Alternate Life in the Verse" for the question but buying sale items are just validations for their opinions at this point. Probably <10% of the buyers even look at the ship itself.
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I like how even their money grubbing doesn't have the basics right. Putting that comma there makes it sound like the starfarer is both stranded alone in the cosmos and has what you need to get going again. Which makes no sense. Make the comma a question mark and it makes sense. "Stranded alone in the Cosmos? The Starfarer has what you need to keep going" this is fine, I'm going to buy one for like $300 now because they can't even produce a sentence correctly.
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DigitalMocking posted:Here's a very sad backer story for you. If that guy has dropped $3,320 in the past six months imagine how much he's dropped in the past. Reading that story, I was wondering why he lost his apartment and couldn't pay his car bill or insurance with $2400 take home. I was confused why his family was having to pay off back debt that had been piling up on the guy. So if hes been a whale for years he's probably one of the five figure guys and the $3,320 was just some anniversary sale purchases to top off a completionist package or something. mdxi posted:Also, y'all were way too hard on Fuzzknot. Fuckin' creepy goons. She was excited to be posting here and some people have zero tolerance for ~My Boyfriend~ posting. Then again she was probated by the lovely admins we are stuck with now back when they were mods. Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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trucutru posted:Maybe if we're creepy towards Toast... Hey.....MoMA....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DqiYkQWOI0
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Milky Moor posted:this is hosed. i wonder if there was some way of collating stories like this? it'd make one hell of an article. the vast majority of these stories aren't known right now due to spouses not realizing that college funds and 401ks have been plowed into Chris Roberts movie dreams because impressionable, unhappy people have equated giving this fat liar money with being happy someday. I speculate there are a ton of unemployed children living with their aging parents on some form of disability and the parents provide food/housing/internet and don't actually know that their childs entire money supply goes into something called "Star Citizen." It's probably like Bit Coin where inheritances that were supposed to go to young children were instead spent on the dreams of the person in charge of the trust. Alot of those stories won't even come out until Star Citizen fails and all of a sudden someone finds out their kids aren't going to college or they are 48 and now have no retirement. When we talk about the possible unfortunate suicides coming from this scam that 28 year old factory worker is a candidate. He has already lost his apartment and is deeply in debt while preaching the dream. He is about to be homeless and this is with the game supposedly coming out. This guy has wasted tens of thousands of dollars and is going to end up with literally nothing at all in life when Star Citizen goes under. Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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necroid posted:ok I've tried to read this thread less and less because recently it's been filled with autistic creeps indistinguishable from the shitizens, but people like this tarkaroshe guy never cease to amaze me and I still can't wrap my head around them explaining Tarkaroshe is as simple as asking why someone becomes an adamant defender of anything. A political party, a religion, a sports team or a console company. He's a simple minded pitbull with his teeth sunk into an ideology and all he can do is be smug in his own idiocy that will never end, even if CIG does. He will be the guy on the "Star Citizen Continues" forums body checking newbies out if he feels they are getting too mouthy while preaching to everyone. But there is no way to reason or logic what makes that guy tick, since pure animal instinct is what keeps him going. Deep down he knows he is 100% correct so all arguments, all facts, all discussions and all critics are viewed through the filter of him explaining why he is right to you and you either agree he is right or you are wrong.
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Xaerael posted:Open development It's bizarre going from watching Star Citizen to watching something like this. The cormorant is a fine little boat, especially since they buffed destroyers when they released Tier 3 destroyers. I have plenty of memories of being a newbie and salvaging in one, or fitting them out in a gimmick fitting with a billion dollars in faction mods to fit huge guns on it or something for fun. It was also the model of the interdictor I used successfully as a blackops FC and managed to catch some mining ops by doing creative cloaking / inline bubbles and just ruined peoples loving days with it. Plenty of actual gameplay and now that ship has a really cool design and I can see the thought that went into the update. Meanwhile on RSI you can pay $450 for a picture and you get tens of hours of footage about how they make pictures. All you get is the $450 picture.
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ArfJason posted:I'm genuinely sorry if this comes off as mean spirited or contrarian but why does it keep happening specifically in this thread? Like I don't see many other probations for that particular rule break outside of here, and most of the bans in this thread are about doxing. Why is it such a draw here? In any case, good work on trying to discourage people from doing that. It'd be cool if Zen Death Robot would ban you for backseat modding instead of the people that complain about you, black baby goku, plutonis, improbable lobster, lumpy the cook, darkman fanpage, net cafe scandal, INRI and whoever else being weirdo forums stalkers. Good job catching something you consider to be doxing within a literal minute of it being posted in a thread you claim to not read. QCS is the next step since your GBS thread last week went nowhere after the everest thread the week before that you weirdo forums stalkers got closed. The admins are on your side (at least Zen Death Robot) so maybe the seventh times the charm on this concern troll.
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Sappo569 posted:I probably missed it with the most recent doxxing stuff, but The same reason they went to their own crowdfunded website in the first place. They want to keep getting money without being liable for any protections that any real company would put in place (Steam/Kickstarter) and their customers are so delusional and desperate for this dream that they don't care and use their own faith in place of actual terms of service or legal protections.
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Sappo569 posted:Yeah but, there must be some sort of consumer protection available even if they run their own show I think the way it's worked so far is due to a few factors 1) The "Terms" at all levels of this are pretty nebulous. They are selling dreams and delivering something. Even explaining the situation is difficult. 2) It takes an overwhelming amount of evidence and proof to get the authorities involved. The FTC and Consumer protection agencies aren't going to shut them down with 1 email or probably even 1000 since they are an international company that employs people and targeting them unfairly could lead to lawsuits for disruption of their business. 3) The primary people that could cause the action, and argue the terms are the customers that are largely too stupid or delusional to "Betray the vision" or "Destroy the dream" due to cult like indoctrination and language. A good example of #3 last year was when they delayed 2.6 and had a "Community Managers Report" from Chris Roberts. The whole thing was filled with words like "Family" and inspirational feel good language but the situation it was based around was them delaying their own self appointed deadline on a product that is already 3 years late that they have delivered 0.005% of while asking for more money. That's what leads to that 28 year old in the recently posted story that has driven himself to unemployment and homelessness and when asked to get a refund on the unknown, potentially tens of thousands, he has spent on Star Citizen he spouts things like "Chris Roberts is changing gaming" and "This will revolutionize gaming." It's the cult's chants. The longer this goes on the more customers can start complaining to the authorities and then the authorities can realize this isn't a respectable international company doing business and is instead a gigantic scam selling lies to susceptible marks. The problem is the marks have apparently infinite patience for not receiving the magical fantasy they have bought and have turned it into a religion, otherwise this shitshow would have been shut down a long time ago. Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Why the gently caress was there so much talk about 2.6.1 lately? I just got an email that it was just released. 3.0 is due for 2019, isn't it? 2.6 was the big money grabbing attempt during the anniversary where they forced out a patch that everyone knew was a 2.5.x patch with even those features cut. Now they are running a sale and loudly trumpeting THE NEW PATCH!!!!! When it's really just what was originally supposed to be in that 2.5.x patch. The smaller and smaller their updates get the louder and louder they need to advertise them, they need money and have nothing. 3.0, officially, from what CIG has said was supposed to be out last year and they just aren't telling backers anything about it. It's only this thread with the leaks that is looking at 2017 3.0 for a hilarious hack or 2018+ for all of the advertised features they used to make money during citizencon
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Klyith posted:Wordwall http://i.imgur.com/b9lwbjh.mp4
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Sabreseven posted:Hmmm, been out all day/night so I've apparently missed some funny stuff happening I think someone mentioned that there were rumors mining was going to be in 3.0, confirming TheAgent's leaks. The key thing to note is the difference in expectations. Backers hear mining and immediately think of their mining ships, their mining organizations and all the theorycrafting, dreams and videos Chris Roberts has put out on the subject to imagine amazing features now coming. Opening Wallets. But the confirmed leaks are that the management has just proclaimed "Mining" will be in the instanced hacked together ground map. So probably something like WoW resource nodes, depending on how they even figure out how to force it in, which they don't even know right now. Guess what CIG isn't going to tell backers That mining isn't figured out yet and will be nothing like the 4K resolution minecraft they will be imagining when entering their credit card information Open Development
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