D_Smart posted:

This was already discussed on my Discord server. Without going into too much detail, it wasn't a hoax. However, after going back and forth with them, legal recommended that proceed with caution. In the end, I decided that it simply wasn't worth the hassle; so I killed it.

TheAgent posted:

moma I am currently drinking a 2012 c. montelena chardonnay with some cheap fish tacos

thought you should know

AP posted:

As I understand it Derek was right that the original release of 2.6 to evocati didn't include Star Marine, moma was talking poo poo or trying to get Derek to break the NDA to prove him wrong. The 2nd option seems the more likely to me for him making so much fuss over something that doesn't matter at all, everyone knows Star Marine will be poo poo and so it will be proved, eventually, beyond all doubt.

Anyone with any sense and experience who works there is looking for the exit door now.

I know you and D1E have a real problem with Derek, my advice would start getting used to him being right.

Edit Also lol at ex-CIG staff not updating their linkedin profiles while their new company is quite keen to talk about new hires and they seem happy to talk, I wonder how that happens.

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/805872968979062785

There is independent verification of this out there but I'm not linking it because it's not really fair to identify individuals to the crazies anymore, given what's going to happen next year.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

So the new Caterpillar looks interesting:



I wonder if it will carry smaller ships.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Also LOL at the idea of another level of Evocati in this open development quagmire.

Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

please do explain how they could put out different builds a day at a 30 gig download and still test poo poo.

Kakarot posted:

More coming soon


2 weeeks

AP posted:

I've just archived the webpage link I have moma, so it's time stamped as of this post.

Don't leave people blue balled now mate, take the toxxx. When CIG wonder where the link came from, you can say you asked for me to post it.

D_Smart posted:

Agreed. I think what's the issue for me is that there are people out there theory-crafting this whole thing away, as if I don't have better things to do with my time but to make stuff up - and blatantly lie - for the hell of it.

As they say, the worse thing for those people is not that croberts was wrong; it's that dsmart was right - about anything.

Just this past Oct, I wrote a lengthy blog explaining why it's absolutely ludicrous for anyone to believe croberts when he said that 3.0 was out this year - and hopefully before Dec 16th; when (according to my sources), he knew full well that it simply wasn't true. He just lied.

Now, even looking at the Powerpoints he put up for 2.6 to 4.0, it's clear that this isn't an issue of "missed schedules", but just utter nonsense. Just like all the times before that. Heck, look how many time they've shifted the 2.6 schedule they posted. Sure developments slip, but the effect is that they may as well not have even released it because they're doing the same (missing dates) thing anyway.

And based on those lies, he raised almost $15 million dollars from backers who trusted that he was actually telling the truth.

Here we are on Dec 5th, with a Dec 8th date for 2.6 going to the PU, and aside from the fact that it's buggy as hell, they will try to push it out regardless because there is a holiday sale coming up.

And just like that, everyone has seemingly forgotten that 3.0 was due out in Dec. But here we are arguing about SM (which is worse than any CryEngine mod btw) being in 2.6.

And judging by the fact that they want to release SQ42 in the first half of 2017; it stands to reason that as buggy as 2.6 currently is, not to mention all the lingering 2.5x bugs they have yet to fix, 3.0 is going to be a mid to late 2017 release, thus pushing 4.0 into 2018 - if they survive that long. In fact, I would even say that 3.0-3.3 won't even make it until sometime in Q4/17. Go look see half the crap that's in 3.x and you tell me how confident you are that it's going to be completed in 2017, just in time for 4.0 to roll out.

So this argument about SM is just a foolish distraction. The end result when it's released is that CIG - after receiving over $137 million dollars - somehow managed to release a crappy fps CryEngine mod that's hardly playable, let alone worthy of note.

It's all lies.

AP posted:

Hey Moma, thanks for being entirely predictable and disappearing.


I'm sure Derek will tweet something later about the SQ42 Senior Programmer departure, so you can jump back into the thread then to say "not high profile"

TheAgent posted:

PTU hits this Friday!!

ZenMaster posted:

You realize when SC fails due to the waste, hubris, and complete mismanagement of resources and backer money, all goons will transform caterpillar like from "trolls, FUDites, and delusional" to wise, all knowing butterflies, right?


And you'll get laughed at all the more because you couldn't see basic reality?

EDIT: PAGE 42!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AP posted:

Moma will come back being all no matter what happens.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I'm in the process of preparing my complaints to the various consumer agencies in case CIG decides to offer a refund of less than what I am owed. Fortunately I have an... extensive amount of information to work with. Putting it all together will likely take some time but I anticipate the various agencies will enjoy reading. So far I have to cover...

1. CIG transitioning from saying that additional funds will deliver more content on time to justifying delays as part of the increasing scope.
2. The misrepresentation of delivery schedules, including maintaining a website with a release date that was known to be false.
3. Denying a customer access to paid features on content based on activity that occurred outside of CIG sites, admitting that the content was denied by reimbursing the customer, and then lying to the press about it.
4. Harvesting external information on customers (such as online identities outside of CIG sites) and maintaining that information as part of a customer support database.
5. Predatory marketing schemes in which high pressure tactics are used to encourage sales through statements of limited availability that later turn out to be false.
6. Selling "credit" for ships and then denying customers the ability to use that credit on certain packages to entice more sales.
7. Offering assets for sale that will not be delivered as part of commercial release while requiring customers sign a TOS that denies refunds once the game was commercially released.

It will take me awhile to put it all together, but I'm sure there will be at least a few investigatory agencies who will appreciate having this information wrapped up in time for Christmas.

Chunjee posted:

If it were up to me and I actually wanted to deliver a game: fire all but the absolute essential artists down to a team of 2-8 max, and focus on finding or making something that demonstrates an ability to support at least 100 players reliably in a single star system, scrapping StarEngine entirely if necessary. Alternatively, let go of all artists and just use programmer art till game systems work together in a proven manner, and then worry about fidelity.

As far as I can tell; as long as CryEngine/StarEngine is in play, nothing resembling the original promise can be delivered. It seems wholly unsuited for anything beyond a single player fps or 16-32 player multiplayer (1 zone).
Counter argument: list of games that use a version of CryEngine includes at least one MMO.

Speaking out of my rear end as I don't have standing in gamedev specifically; can someone with real-world experience explain how they might go about salvaging this? Assuming that is even possible.

Beet Wagon posted:

That's some Grade A snark, MoMA. You ready for this weekend? Got you're fightin' belt all shined up nice?

Beet Wagon posted:

what a loving amazing community.


Yeah that's a shame, I was really hoping for them to pull it off, to be perfectly honest. It's way funnier when they release something broken and lovely than it is when Crobbers gets up on stage, shrugs, and they turn the lights off.

e: wizard taxxe

peter gabriel posted:

Looking forward to 2.6 here

TheLightPurges posted:

Serious question. Now that even you have acknowledged 2.6 isn't gonna be live this year. Going below even your most modest expectation. Take a peek at your prior hopes earlier this year. theres a massive disconnect here. Are you disappointed? Is your faith shaken? Im not trying to troll I'm honestly curious.

DapperDon posted:

The gently caress you didn't. Are you high?

TheLightPurges posted:

Serious question. Now that even you have acknowledged 2.6 isn't gonna be live this year. Going below even your most modest expectation. Take a peek at your prior hopes earlier this year. theres a massive disconnect here. Are you disappointed? Is your faith shaken? Im not trying to troll I'm honestly curious.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The problem is that you need to have faith at all.

VealCutlet posted:

AP posted:

I totally think they'll ship 2.6 this year to the PTU at least. I mean why not, the idiots still giving them money in 2016 will celebrate anything that looks like progress and it's a good excuse for a sale.

nawledgelambo posted:

It is beyond hosed up crobbers is going to keep people from seeing family on christmas because he is inept and can't push patches.


So which is it, because you started with "I never said that," to finish with "Technically I'm not wrong" after being quoted showing you said 2.6 is coming this year, Man of Many Answers?

Also, remember when 3.0 was the precedent for the end of the year, and here we are, with a huge content inclusion of get this guys: A pirate station, a couple of ships, and (maybe) an fps shooter. For a company of almost 400, holy gently caress, how do you not look at this and just be embarrassed?


fuckin lol

ManofManyAliases posted:

Not really. Pretty doubtful that we'll get 2.6 live by Friday.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Oh - we'll get it this year, just not by Friday.

peter gabriel posted:

If 2.6 gets a full release this year I will cut up my infinite adjust belt and post pictures of the cut up pieces.
Over to you MoMA

Wise Learned Man posted:

I would have pegged you as partial to the Limp Bizkit version.

D_Smart posted:

The jokes on you. I always had a forum there; except that it was a Wordpress plugin. I just installed a standalone one instead.

ZenMaster posted:

Please respond one more time with a smug emote when I say once again, when this all comes crashing down you will look rather silly.

alf_pogs posted:

great post

part of the joy of this thread for me now, is that i think derek is of a similar nature but he has "turned to the dark side". it's just words on words on words from both sides, massive, colossal nitpicky arguments

it's fun to watch two word clouds smash into one another

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

will u be smug tomorrer thou

grimcreaper posted:

I can't be arsed to go through your post history. Did you accept the bet I made?

D_Smart posted:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/809473162513629184

Snazzy Frocks posted:

being evocati has to be a burden more than it is a privilege

Sappo569 posted:

You're pretty much the alternative reality version of Derek , so shut the hell up

Ash1138 posted:

when derek says "read my blog" or "go to my forums" or whatever in response to a question, all i see is hillary clinton saying "go to my website"

alf_pogs posted:

you're a toxxless coward and nothing more, fella

grimcreaper posted:

The bet was:

I bet you that IF Squadron 42 or SC actually release they will be this generations Hellgate: London.