Wrecked Angle posted:

Guys, I'm having a bit of a dilemma. I've just been on the RSI website and they have this great 'Intro pack'. Might pick this up while I can to get a head start in the PU.



But then that got me thinking that maybe I should buy these instead...



Help me out here goons! Which should I spend my hard earned disposable income on?

Wrecked Angle posted:

We all know the 1.5 million backers is bullshit but even if you take 500k backers the average amount spent to date to justify the $137m figure is less than $300 per person. We know there are a fair number of whales out there in for 10's of thousands. Is it too much of a stretch to imagine that a large proportion of the others may be in for several hundred dollars... over a 5 year period?

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

If you mean the term, it's borrowed from the gambling world and is used for the small number of gambling addicts who contribute a disproportionate amount of your profits

It's used to describe f2p players as well, where a common scenario is that 5% of your players pay anything, and about 5% of those players contribute as much as 90% of total sales

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

In free to play games the majority of funding comes from a minority of players who have spent a disproportionate amount of money. Those players are called whales, which also has its origins in the gambling business to indicate someone able (and willing) to lose huge sums of money. In DC those players typically spend well over a grand and achieve special status like a private forum and personal assistant.

In other words whales are the people who will be suing CIG if this goes tits up.

tooterfish posted:

Chasing the Whale.

Should probably be in the OP tbh.

Booourns posted:

Do you think that this challenge improved the thread and cut down on random off topic shitposting?

The Titanic posted:

I must be in the minority though, as a potential backer. I'd love to get a Starflight/Freelance type mash up. Even if it's a single player game. I'm not very good at FPS games, and if Star Citizen actually happens the amount of griefing CIG introduced because of this FPS nonsense will be off the chart.

Every big ship will be 100% NPC because the first dozen times Captain Solo is shot in the back of the head and his ship is stolen by a "loyal crew member" will be the end. CIG builds these ideas with seemingly no idea what the obvious ramifications will be.

Ultimately if Star Citizen is ever made, it will not be a fun game. Nobody will trust anybody unless they are friends from outside that game. People will keep tallies of how much they've ruined players who bought ships by stealing or destroying them. It will be a griefing paradise. Star Citizen will just not be fun; unless you play it in a controlled environment or single player. Eventually people may think about the future gameplay instead of buying the next concept sale. But that would require people to demand CIG actually start explaining this poo poo ideas they've promised. "PvP slider" doesn't even make sense.

Beet Wagon posted:

Somewhere in that comment chain one of those morons postulates that refunders would be too scared to sign back up with their original name, as though there's some overwhelming shame (or fear of being on one of their "kill on sight" lists haha) that would stop me or anyone else from playing a videogame with the name they use everywhere else. If anything, should the game come out I'm going to be blasting threadmemes into chat while I ram my stupid little shitbox into their $890.00 dream.

Goobs posted:

Every day I wake up hoping Star Citizen died overnight and every day I am disappointed.

TrustmeImLegit posted:

lol tomorrow I the last day of RSI. All that theorycrafting....gone

Warhawk109 posted:

Big whale just got out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/65r52g/friend_told_me_to_post_this_here_have_been_backed/?st=J1L6ZXL2&sh=c11187ad

That's a lot of jpegs.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Herald. Meanwhile in dream land:

Sillybones posted:

This made me sad. All that he said is completely doable and reasonably scoped. Poor citizen will forever be disappointed.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

https://youtu.be/VZocAR2lj8U

More players than Star Citizen and more stable

ewe2 posted:

Chambers describing clipping issues that are solved in most game engines except Crytek

RubberJohnny posted:

https://clips.twitch.tv/TardyHealthyBillCoolStoryBob

Erin confirms there will be 30,000 people queuing to get a mission from the one NPC on launch day

Dante80 posted:

They have no idea how to handle multiple people going to mission givers (NPCs).

The obvious answer (personal instances) was just shot down by Erin lol..

RubberJohnny posted:

Big list of bugs from Day 1 and 2:

• Server and client crashes
  
• Animations allow players to clip through vehicles
  
• Ships and vehicles keep vibrating while landed
  
• Issues getting into ships and/or the ship killing someone
  
• Vehicles and ships can clip through the ground or bounce into the air
  
• Lots of desync despite a powerful server right next to them
  
• Still really annoying jump-cuts between animations
  
• Characters T-posing on top of vehicles/ships
  
• Changing perspective while piloting results in the player having no helmet and a messed up face
  
• Power management doesn't seem to have a clear effect
  
• Players were having constant issues with item 2.0 / interaction system. It was often unclear where you could interact with something or it just wouldn't work.
  
• No sign of turret improvements, from what i could tell there wasn't even a lead indicator and no gyroscope either.
  
• Oxygen loss doesn't appear to kill you at the moment.
  
• Altimeters seem to be broken, they were in orbit and it read -100
  
• Landing gear doesn't report correct status on HUD
  
• Contrails seem to only work for some ships
  
• Time of day seems to be different between players standing next to each other - should be server authoritative https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoggyFilthyNoodleKeepo
  
• Falling appears to be a set speed, no acceleration to terminal velocity
  
• Falling characters don't seem to get locked to a ships physics grid
  
• Ships physics grids still end up grabbing other ships and bits of debris in the environment
  
• Gravity seems to only affect character models, not ships, they can hang in the air while powered down
  
• Some guns bug out and can't be reloaded
  
• Characters with guns out and shooting appear to be standing idle to other players.
  
• Some players are occasionally invisible to other players.
  
• Gunfire effects seem missing for same/other players
  
• Ship survives boosting into the planets surface from space at high speed with no damage
  
• Vehicles that aren't supposed to be able to survive re-entry can land with no ill effects
  
• Some terrain puts vehicles into uncontrollable horizontal spins
  
• Doors still don't work sometimes
  

That's just the stuff that isn't turned off because it was too buggy, like Quantum Travel, MobiGlas, NPCs, Missions, Cargo, etc.

The netcode is the best though, even with a dedicated line, a powerful server right next to them, players are desyncing, appearing as invisible, or not synchronising animations on other players screens - something is just fundamentally hosed there.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I also enjoyed how Roberts responded when asked what he uses to play the game. Deer in the headlight stare before a rambling 10 minute response.

Toops posted:

The fact is, Chris Roberts doesn't actually like video games. If he did, he would be talking about and (more importantly) showing gameplay. He would be driving his organization to produce a game that you can play. Star Citizen would be something you could actually play without tumbling down the matchstick house. He would be uncompromising in his pursuit of a fun experience for the end-user. Instead, he compromises Star Citizen The Game at every turn out of unfathomable, incalculable narcissism. In reality, his entire world view is centered around building a cinematic monument to his "genius." All he really wants is a perpetual sizzle real. He wants that roaring applause when the space commando flips the helmet in the air and pulls it on like a "badass." That "moment" right there was the pinnacle of Star Citizen. That was the plan. That was the pitch, the pledge, that's every 10FTC, ATV, every art asset, and every line of code. Right there. The "game" is filler which acts as a simple bonding agent between stunted, imbecilic Chris Roberts mini-movies.

Slow_Moe posted:

This here is actually the crux of the problem. Roberts never cared about making games, but he needs a vessel for his "creativity", and since Hollywood wont have him around, he will have to do it via computer animation. That's why SC exists, to fund SQ42, so Chris can be a big Hollywood director, without actually being a big Hollywood director. With SQ42 he gets to hobnob with the cool famous celebrities like Gary Oldman and Luke Skywalker and that guy from LotR. Because that's where a creative genius like him belongs.

Just you wait, you'll all be sorry you doubted. Oh yes.

WarpDogs posted:

Here's my attempt at a summary

* Began with a 45min delay + 3 or 4 commercials for chariots
* New features (facial recognition, voice stuff) introduced then promptly revealed to be coming after 3.0, not with it
* After warping to the quest destination, the pilot's client crashed. The other two players were still in the ship but couldn't interact with it
* After 10 minutes of awkward troubleshooting they eventually had to restart. Cue another 15-20 minutes of mostly silence and long shots of a black room and an increasingly angry Chris as the demo is rebooted
* Because the demo was nearly 100% scripted, they had to do everything all over again leading up to the warp crash
* this included the world's worst RP of all time. yes, they still repeated the RP in the 2nd attempt
* They get to the planet. it's janky. a ton of pop-in and missing models. We all begin to notice that the lighting / colors for each player (they keep switching cameras) is completely different. It's suggested that even the time of day for players is different
* They find the quest object - a ship's black box which turned out to be a red cube that was just laying in a random spot on the floor
* Then they were ambushed, surprising nobody
* They shot the bad guy's ship out of the air from their moon rover, but they clearly weren't even aiming at the guy and it was a really embarrassing moment of scripting
* An Idris comes to save them, and jitter-janks its way to the surface. It extends a ramp for the rover to climb, and the entire thread knew at once it was going to end in disaster. It did. After many failed attempts the rover clipped through the ramp and exploded. The wheels literally fell off and rolled toward the camera, and I very nearly blacked out in laughter
* also the red black box was aboard the rover but nobody acknowledged the mission was a failure
* Sometime after this we cut to a commercial for an RSI-branded webcam. Lots of scare tactics to make you think your existing webcam lacks the horsepower to handle Star Citizen's new facial stuff
* Later, the Idris goes to space and is ambushed a 2nd time, surprising nobody for a 2nd time
* An epic space battle ensues as two goliaths fight through 6-7fps space and jitter-jank into one another. One explodes
* It's the end of the demo. Chris then has a sudden and definitely not scripted idea - let's let the goliaths fight again, but this time the bad guy could win!
* It's another 20 minutes waiting for the really obviously fake and scripted demo to spin up. It's awkward silence. Sandi wanders on stage in her weird clown outfit to give Chris a rum and coke
* The epic space battle begins anew. I cannot notice a single difference, other than a fighter bounces off the hull of the Idris like a Loony Toons cartoon, and the idris rams the bad guy who explodes in 6-7fps fashion. More jitter-jank

Then Chris ends the presentation prematurely before being reminded that the employees are coming out to say goodbye. He asks them to take a bow. They do so. that's it

ZenMaster posted:

Once 3.0 drops, I expect pgabz to create 100 new videos even better than the last with cool music and fun bugs.


I can't wait. A 150 million dollar goat simulator makes me feel fancy.

quote:

Recognizing that the glitching was part of the game's appeal, Ibrisagic only sought to fix software bugs that might cause the game to crash, leaving in the other glitches and bugs associated with the physics engine as the results from these were "really hilarious". They limited themselves to a short development time of four weeks without significant management oversight as to set an urgent but realistic goal to bring the game to a playable state.

big nipples big life posted:

Chris Roberts said he was inspired by Dark Souls, there's no way he made it out of the asylum.

Roflan posted:

The only inspiration he took from Dark Souls was the framerate of the video someone showed him of Blighttown on the PS3.

Zikar, in the comments posted:

Well, this video explains why Dark Souls' performance was often terrible. No tricks, no fakes, just build and render everything in 3D without any regard for whether the game engine can handle it.

D_Smart posted:

We just got word of a $30K refunder, and it was confirmed by two other people.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/903350299758342144

zcrow posted:

Post more wolves

fuctifino posted:

Goobs posted:

I got a buddy of mine who is a SC cultist to actually download and play Elite Dangerous and he said "there's too much flying around". I guess he's been so used to Star Citizen that he hasn't had the experience of flying around in space in a space game yet.

his nibs posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SRffQVbpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTIysAaJN-w

is it even 3.0?

Taintrunner posted:

I like how in the ultimate space game where you can do anything be anyone you can't even have your several hundred dollars of real money ship reliably sit still on the loving tarmac

Awesome Fidelity posted:

Two denied refunds

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/75k2u5/not_entitled_to_a_refund/
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/75k41r/refund_denied_30_email/

Still, better to wait until these are fully confirmed

Awesome Fidelity posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/75karz/now_what/

3rd now.

Toops posted:

If the rings spin off due to collisions with player ships, that would be because the rings are created as physics objects (which makes them conserve momentum during collisions), and are configured with a preposterously small amount of mass relative to the ships. It would be incredibly stupid to make those rings physics objects at all. They should be normal game objects with normal colliders which basically give them infinite intertia (think Doom-style walls).

This is yet more evidence for me that CIG has massively downscaled all objects in the game world. An example would be, if a humanoid model is ususllay 1 CryEngine unit in FarCry, making a human 0.001 unit and scaling everything relative to that would effectively make your level 1000x bigger. 1 meter turns into 1km.

Of course, any loving freshspawn game developer right out of college looking for apples on the coast knows not to do this, because it breaks your physics engine (everything acts like it doesn't have enough mass) and it fucks with collisions (because collision detection is only accurate down to roughly the centimeter depending on how fast the object is moving and what your framerate is). Any of that sound familiar?

That's why I always rail on the SC devs. They appear to have made almost every possible rookie mistake in the book and they don't seem to be fixing any of it, just building more floors on top of the burning wicker foundation which was built on a landfill which once was a sacred Native American burial ground.

Star Citizen is fundamentally doomed and will, imo, never be salvaged into a playable game.

TheAgent posted:

I have a p good feeling we will see the AMD letter by the end of 2018 or 2019

there's some serious people sniffing around, and I don't mean gaming sites n stuff

Warhawk109 posted:

So they are also denying people who have had open tickets for a while, even backers who were exchanging emails with CS, proving identity, valuation of account etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...H3Z&sh=f1872ab7

lol

13k backer denied:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...T9I&sh=3d8d3c39

a cyberpunk goose posted:

I haven't checked in in a while, what's new

The Titanic posted:

I bet pixelemonade is about to launch their cutting story on it.

Any day now.

Any day.

AlbieQuirky posted:

We're talking about a culture that lost the Roomba secret. Space mop my space store, NPCoC.

Oh, Pixelemonade, you delightfully half-assed Aussie AstroTurf site. (AustroTurf?)

Pixelemonade's most recent article posted:

CRICKET, SPORT
SOUTH AFRICA CRUISES TO VICTORY OVER SRI LANKA
SIMON DUNN - JAN 21, 2017

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

Daztek posted:

Bofast posted:

https://i.imgur.com/oDJBVu2.gifv

Jobbo_Fett posted:

You know, I just realised something.

Chris Roberts' last foray into video game development pre-dates multi-core CPUs

BUT DON'T WORRY HE CAN BUILD THE BEST drat GAME OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIIME!

Combat Theory posted:

Cry engine has 2 main fallouts for multiplayer. There's a certain ratio at which the client can run faster than the server and the engine is completely unaware of a thing called multi threading.

Scruffpuff posted:

I have an anecdote that reminds me somewhat of Star Citizen.

Several years ago my wife and I were playing World of Warcraft. We had just killed a crocolisk and after it died, my wife commented that she liked when they flipped over when they died and had their feet up in the air. I looked at the recently killed creature on my monitor - clearly right-side-up with feet tucked underneath. I asked what she was smoking, she asked if I was blind, and this escalated rapidly into a series of increasingly heated insults into the other person's mental faculties until finally one of us thought to look at the other person's monitor.

Lo and behold, on one of our monitors the creature was dead right-side-up, on the other, he was upside-down. A light bulb went off in my head - of course it would work this way! What better way to create some simple variation in the gameplay while limiting network overhead then having important states, such as the location of an enemy and its status as alive or dead, transmitted by the server, and unimportant gameplay states, like the noises its making, its attack animation choice, and which model is used for after it's killed, handled by the client?

After all, what kind of lunatic would care that everyone saw the exact same thing even if it has absolutely no impact on gameplay?

That question was answered by the frantic handwavings of an aging, overweight, autistic man in November of 2012.

tooterfish posted:

I put on my winter coat for the first time in ages last night.

My EDC is apparently:

A toothbrush and mini-toothpaste tube in a seal-able plastic bag.
Some fluff.
Half a blisterpack of Tesco's own brand paracetamol.
An old pound coin that's now worthless because they went out of circulation last week
A flyer from when I was in Belfast last November.

I'm ready for anything.

TheAgent posted:

Things are falling apart and have been since the middle of last year. I've had six people ask me to go on record or reveal sources lately (I've declined). I'm sure they've talked to Bootcha and Beer and outside contractors and current/former employees and god knows who else.

I know you'd like to imagine that somehow, Chris and Sandi and Ben and Jared and Tony and Erin are really, really nice people, who care about the backers that gave them millions.

Here's the thing, and I'm trying not to be mean, just as real as possible: they don't give a gently caress about anything but money. The product that you'll get delivered in 3 weeks is an absolute travesty and that's going to be it. They'll continue the Live support for the game, promising additional content and increased player counts, but this is it; 3.0, in the state at which is arrives, is going to be Star Citizen. That's it.

When that happens, when the dreams are no longer just accessible in the mind but available to be played on the keyboard, that's when things are going to go into an absolute loving frenzy. Chris Roberts and everyone else in his little tower understand this. They 100% understand.

I'm sorry your dream space game is going to be an absolutely janky piece of poo poo with almost no content but what the players create for themselves. I really am. As a backer, I'd liked to have played a fun PC space game, too.

But this is it. This is what you're going to get. And it's just, it's just awful. It's really, really loving bad.

Ramadu posted:

asked a dude who in chat said he spent between 30,000 to 40,000 on the game why. his responses are something else


ramadu: can I ask you why? thats like half a house or a really nice car
ramadu: poo poo thats 2 doses of neulasta!
Today, 6:35:17 AM
DirectorDrakeSteele: Been waiting for 'this' in all ways, since forever. Not going to waste time grinding towards what I know I want to do, so just skipping ahead progress.
ramadu: i guess more power to you! i always looked at it as the ships being the progress and the actual game
New Whispers
DirectorDrakeSteele: By all means, live a life from the ground up to the stars. The struggle isn't my objective, I've had enough of that. The stars and ungilating nebulae are my focus.

idk what ungilating even means

MilesK posted:

Old Man refactor.

MilesK posted:

Old Man refactor.

Nebiros posted:

God dammit I'm at work and I can't shitpost in the discord.

And gently caress you nerd, it's Ninja/Hero Turtles

Edit: He stole the Kilrathi from Niven anyway he can do it again.

Drunk Theory posted:

We've got Coruscant, Blade Runner citys, with Homeworld ships that let you play games like that Orson Scott Cloud book. Buy in now and all your childhood favorites will live again.

Sarsapariller posted:

The archer-ing goes deep with this one.

Thoatse posted:

Inceladus