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Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

First post on SA.

3.27am in the UK. Drunk as hell.

Why are you guys such dicks to Derek Smark?

I'll lay my cards on the table: I respect Derek Smart. I'd never have heard about the scam if people hadn't talked about him so much. Then it brought me a lot of laughs and I started lurking on the Elite Dangerous thread, which lead me here (through them quoting TheAgent).

As I'm drunk I'll say it: it kind of makes me sad to see the guy who has put himself up for judgement by fighting this in a hilarious way slagged off by some one-joke cunts.

I paid $10, (about £7, I guess) to say this - joke's on me.

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Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Straight to that kitty jail thing?

I guess that's because I used actual swear words? Madness. All this time lurking I thought there was a filter or program that ran on the posts that translated swear words to the absurd SA version. You guys actually type things like "gently caress"?

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this place is like some internet Goremghast of pointless and elaborate ritual.

Anyway, thanks to Moma and Titanic for being friendly. My position remains the same: I support Derek and I want to know what the hell is the point in giving the old fella so much sh... "poo poo".

Honestly, unrelated to that, now I've fully ripped myself off and removed 90% of my ability to mock citizens by joining this forum, can I ask what is up with the image on LLadre's avatar/thing? I'm a cat lover and to my idiot mind that looks like some cat in a metal tube or iron lung, or something. Yet again I'm probably missing the in-joke, ritual, bright-carving, whatever.

Apologies for whatever rule I have broken and please don't send me back to that "loving" probation thing.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Still no word on LLadre's cat in a tube avatar thing. Set my mind at rest.

Other than that I in no way regret spending £7 at 3.27am UK time.

Ok, off to the pub and maybe the races.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Evening, everyone.

I hope whatever gibberish I wrote the other night wasn’t too annoying. I still can’t be bothered to read the rules to this place so I’ll keep it safe for fear of getting banged up again.

LMAO at Samfreez’s “MODS DO SOMTHING!” thread on the sc reddit. There’s group of them who seem genuinely proud of the fact they sit there all day refreshing the New screen and hitting ‘em hard with the power of their downvotes.

It’s a dirty job but someone definitely, absolutely has to do it to keep the streets safe. But even heroes get tired and Samfreez wants to be a mod, he needs the power or these “concern trolls” will overrun the sub and usher in a new age of FUD.

Because the fate of Star Citizen will definitely be decided by the contents of that ridiculous subreddit and not decisions taken by the management dream team.

And then that lunatic SilentRuin came in and said likes the “concern trolls” so he can type his barely comprehensible nonsense because he thinks he’s some kind of enforcer.

And then someone, Samfreez, I think, regretted that MrHerpDerp’s karma takes a hit when people get annoyed with his patronising stock replies.

Man, that place is funny.

And 3.1 is coming soon with no performance increases it seems.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Daztek posted:

Please stop posting FUD.


You can't stop FUD by talking to people. Ask Samfreez for some tips.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Just a small reminder,Chris flew to one of the studios (first class of course) after demanding one of the art teams set up a room full of art for him to go over.
He turned up incredibly late after having told everyone that anyone found to be leaving would be fired.
He came in,walked over to a table of printouts and ripped them into tiny pieces without having said a word to anyone,then left.

Source : my cousin,who's been working on games for 9 years.

That's pure troll. It's a total dickmove but I actually laughed like hell when I read that. When he'd ripped everything up he should have done a massive fart before he walked out.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Hav posted:

He did. It was silent.

Welcome back, BTW.

Cheers, man. I'm surprised how friendly this place is. I guess being made Lowtax's bitch provides a sense of sympathy for other goons. It's basically one big support group.

Anyway, isn't Kazan the guy who got accussed by someone of being an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect and now accusses everyone he replies to of being an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

That and stating that everyone lacks the credentials to disagree with him on anything?

He's another masterpiece of comedy from the SC reddit. They think they're fighting "haters" but all they do is go around annoying people with their fanaticism and idiocy and in doing so just turn more people against Star Citizen. No-one comes away from a Kazan discussion thinking, "Wow, now I see why I was wrong."

Thank you, Mirificus for bringing us these gems. That's got chuckling already this morning. I'm a chucklefuck.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

JFC how do these people defend this mess- how can they pretend that this "already gave them their money's worth"?

The Citizens' biggest fear is not even that the game won't come out, it's that they have, in fact, been ripped off, some for many thousands of dollars. That's not that weird; feeling like you've been ripped off is a painful experience. I've been ripped off a few times, certainly more when I was younger and naive, and you feel kind of ashamed, you've been made a fool of.

Easiest way to avoid that feeling is to pretend it was a good deal after all, certainly in public.

I doubt the ones who've put in more than they could afford to lose will ever accept just what a bad idea it was to put so much into this loving circus.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

G0RF posted:

OH, and Chris Roberts is the guest on Reverse the Verse tomorrow. They’ll be discussing upcoming quality of life improvements for the game.

Quality of life improvement for Star Citizen: uninstall the game.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

tooterfish posted:

I could really play a bit of hardcore ladder Diablo 2 right now actually.

Builds? I completed LoD (is there a more overused acronyn?) with the Amazon, so very much like Kazan, I took a "lovely lady" to the top of a mountain.

My build with any archer character is always to max crits/penetrate/never split arrow so the standard arrow hurts and I can aim and I have low mana costs.

Gently caress frost/lightning/fire arrows - be a mage if you want that poo poo.

I know it's not optimal - it's a personal thing, like respecting Derek.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

tooterfish posted:

After that I'd build whatever I'd found decent items for, and then I'd go off and die like a chump to something stupid and the cycle would begin anew.

Yup. Put on a coat, listen to "That's Life" by Sinatra on youtube, tell myself computer games are stupid and a waste of my time then go to the pub.

Come back from the pub, fire up a game and be terrible all over again.

goto 10

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Derek, from one UK man to another, how much better is Miami than Watford (been twice, not a fan, Watford, that is. My favourite music? Gloria Estefan and the Watford sound machine - it's just latin drums and the sounds of a guy commuting to London for a sales pitch at 10.00am)?

Is Miami as good as Will Smith told me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBS6QGsH_4

Star Citizen related? Is Watford in Star Citizen yet? If not, why not?

How can a proc gen Watford be real if our eyes aren't real?

You can't answer that.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Catching up on the thread and it’s full of lol’s. A lot of goons trying to slap down Dr Smart. They might be more intelligent, successful and informed than me, I stand by my original statement: I’m with Dr Smart until the bitter end, sounds like he had a bad week.

Derek, I’ll be your bumbling henchman, your Rocksteady and your BeeBop, your Grima Wormtongue. You prepare the hyperlinks on the blogs and crack me on the skull when I ask what they’re about. I can’t do anything IRL because everyone I mention SC to thinks I’ve completely lost my mind.


Henchman work:

Variable 5 posted:

This must be the part of Derek’s latest self-humiliation where he desperately tries to change the subject and pretend he’s just one of the goons

”Dead gay comedy forum” reference incoming

Keep working at it, boss, and one day they will accept us. Until then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwZNL7QVJjE

BNBL: Is Montoya in jail? Nope, but he shat himself when Derek even mentioned legal action and now you don’t hear any Derek talk on his rambles. It would have been funnier if it had gone to court but what sense does it make when that costs money? Derek won that one.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Hav posted:

Pinky and the Brain with two Pinky's.

It might just work.

Had to wiki it:

quote:

Pinky is good-natured but feebleminded

The "good-natured" part actually made me feel a bit better about my posts.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018


I came across r/iamverysmart the other day and thought it was a a sub dedicated to Kazan.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Nyast posted:

There is a very fundamental thing in game development, that non-developers absolutely do not understand ( not just game development actually.. software development in general ).

Code complexity grows exponentially with the number of features you're implementing - not linearly.

Let that sink for a moment.

Doubling the amount of features/elements included in your game does not take twice longer to implement. It quadruples, or even more.

So if in the middle of your project, with only minimalistic features, you're already struggling to maintain your code, you have trouble with performance and stability... imagine what it will be when your game will be "feature-complete".

That's why I hope this Crytek thing doesn't destroy Star Citizen. Every time they try and implement anything the result is hilarious. This quarterly update schedule is great because you get to see the same old pattern of citizens getting hyped only to be handed a poo poo sandwich every 3 months.

The reality of 3.1 is sinking in now with the citizens on reddit and CIG has trolled them super hard with the waiting times to get ships back after crashes.

Don't mess this up, Crytek. Don't take Star Citizen away from me.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018


"This is the way nightmares begin, or perhaps end..." with the video of Disco on Twitch, ripping off more idiot citizens, mate, that's a genuine LOL from me.

Because I'm out of shape I try and do some press-ups in the morning but collapsed, face in the carpet, laughing at that video.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

DapperDon posted:

I happen to think he really cares no matter how much he says he doesn't. Deep down inside Derek just wants to be loved.

Or maybe just not given quite so much poo poo. I think a lot of the stuff on here written about the warlord is disproportionately rude, cruel at times as well. I don't see anyone else using their real names and putting themselves and their careers up for public judgement.

This whole thing has a more personal aspect for him than it does for a nobody on the internet like me who's just in it for the lols.

I've seen some laughable stuff already about not being "a real goon", or something, as well an attitude that you're only really cool if you mock Star Citizen and say you hate Derek Smart. Like that's something you imagine would blow the mind of an average citizen, the ultimate in untouchable. I'm a strong, independent goon, don't need no warlord.

I've read a lot of stuff and I just can't see the dislike of Derek as having anything other than some pretty shallow reasons.

Gently caress it, can't we remember happier times, like Gamescon 2017. FoIP, the cringe acting, the crash, the ramps, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEGbOK0cAE

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

big nipples big life posted:

you are like the MoMA for derek.

My dream has always been to be Derek's Ben Lesnick.

Have you seen my Battlecruiser memorabilia?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

big nipples big life posted:

When I was born my nipples covered 73% of my body.

And it granted you a massively extended lifespan.

OK, I get it now, sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Zzr posted:

Would you say that Dr. Smart has balls ?

Is this a trick question? Was he in a terrible accident that resulted in him losing his testicles?

If so, I feel you guys ought to show him even more respect.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Mr.Tophat posted:

The guy brags about filtering out the SA community, and those who he hasn't blocked he laughs as he says, "lol didn't read". Anyone else would have been banned already for no effort 'jokes'.

Who gives a gently caress about your real name when this stage is for trying to promote comedy.

I'll never fit in round these parts, Mr Top Hat. My admiration for Derek is too genuine, my mind too slow.

I'll never be a real goon.

Funny stuff? What have I got? How about Family Guy references, they're funny. Remember when Brian and Stuie got shut in a bank vault?

Looks like someone changed my avatar, that's exciting. I can't say more because in goon-speak I might have drunk some blim-blah and need a bee-hive before I tragically flouresce my pants.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018


Kazan also kickstarted Neil deGrasse Tyson's new book: "I'm a physicist! Shut up. Don't question me."

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Beet Wagon posted:

And, since this will almost certainly come up in the near future, and because I happen to have everyone's attention for a moment:

Let's try and keep a delineation between the forums and Derek's discord. If there's some relevant Star Citizen news or Derek has an especially good take on something and you want to screenshot it and share it please feel free. I'm also going to be leaving the discord thread up so that new folks can find their way in. But quite frankly I left his discord when I realized I was going to have to perma him because I don't want or need the drama, and if/when it shows up there, please leave it there. If there's something you feel I really need to know about you can PM me or reach me on my discord if you're involved there, but otherwise importing drama is going to be a non-starter. Hopefully everyone can continue enjoying the Star Citizen discussion both there and here and none of this will be an issue.

I've never been dishonest on this forum and and I won't be now: I genuinely liked the warlord. I joined when drunk just to say what a bunch of cunts you guys were to him.

It could all be a big joke and I'm just showing myself up as the tool I am. That's the best case scenario.

Otherwise, Beet, you're a decent guy, what happened?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

alf_pogs posted:

i liked him too but dude was predisposed to breaking the rules and them's the breaks. it wasnt like it came outta nowhere haha

Yo, I'm a total noob here and everything. What rules did he break apart from constantly asking about reading comprehension? Is that a SA rule?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Toops posted:

Doxxing. He Linked a tweet of some jackass outing himself. IMO it wasn't technically doxxing, because it was a public tweet. The definition of Doxxing remains sharing information that is not public, but IMO it was still bannable because it was in such typical, horrible, totally unnecessary, warlordian taste. And anyway the definition of doxxing has kind of awkwardly shifted now that literally everything is public.

In any case, I'd love for a mod here to give a comprehensible definition of doxxing.

gently caress. I am a sycophant, I guess, but I'd like to see something that cannot be denied if it's a charge against Derek.

If it's watertight I obviously have no ground to stand on. Reality beats feeling.

If it's everyone making GBS threads themselves about the term "doxxing" and not something that actually causes real harm then I feel Derek has been done in by people without any moral courage.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Xarbala posted:

Derek's gone a long way to alienate most of the thread so honestly I'm surprised it took this long for someone to finally be fed up enough with him to just perma him

If you can get perma'd for jokingly threatening to assassinate Trump via unbirthing then sure you can get perma'd for getting on a mod's nerves by doing the doxxing equivalent of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" for loving years.

Is that it? He pissed people off with his autistic (sorry warlord) rants?

I loved Derek for that.

Even when I joined I had the sense MoMa got that (thanks MoMa for a friendly welcome, and Titanic). TBH he took far more crap than he dealt out, even though he'd call me an idiot for saying so.

Is this place so precious it's going to hide behind "doxxing" because he trod on a few toes?

Remind me why Star Citizen is a joke again.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

[quote="Ursine Catastrophe" post="483001161"
That said, lowtax has resurrected derek for shits and giggles before so :iiam: what adventures tomorrow will bring
[/quote]

If this is true I'll go away. If not, endless crybaby mode is engaged but waiting for the signal to activate.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Xarbala posted:

never trust anyone who only posts in the star citizer thread

Derek's coming back, man. He told me in a dream.

This is just filler drama for the thread until the next Skadden event.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

VictorianQueerLit posted:

SA was mocking Star Citizen years before Derek Smart got involved. Threads doing so date back to the kickstarter.


On a scale between 0 and full implementation of bind culling, how important do you think that really is?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

VictorianQueerLit posted:


If you want to believe his hype about how he is Star Citizen that's fine but it's demonstrably not true. Dudes a funny chapter midway through the book, not the author or the subject.

Nah, I guess you guys were on it from the start and everything but when I was first looking into SC and I typed "Star Citizen" and "scam" into Google the first thing I came across was Dr Smart's blogs.That was well past the kickstarter. Be honest, he's done more to raise awareness of the SC joke than anyone, even if he wasn't the first.

Now I've ended up here and read him doing his day-to-day stuff I still feel he's been slightly hard done by. He's bang to rights with the rules and all but I never got searing contempt and dislike for him others here have. He's eccentric AF but also clever and, in my limited experience, not a bad guy.

What new nightmare do we face? Oh yeah, I could just read his twitter instead of reading him post it here.

There will always be his blogs.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

big nipples big life posted:

You know he has his own forum and he's like the only one that posts there, you could have your sweet sweet warlord all to yourself.

In short, :frogout:

I paid 7 or 8 quid for this and I don't give a single solitary poo poo about the "goon identity" or whatever.

I could reminisce about Derek for months.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

TheLastRoboKy posted:

He's not dead guys do we really gotta do the obituaries for him?

I bet they don’t mention Dr Smart’s fireworks.

Should be a verse about that.

The finest rockets ever seen. They burst in stars in blue and green, when, after thunder, silver showers came falling like a rain of flowers.

Oh, that doesn’t do him justice.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Morningwoodpecker posted:

Classy reference.

I could reminisce about Derek for months.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Lladre posted:

Usenet was that episode of the Twilight zone where pig faced people made fun of the pretty lady for being hideous.

gently caress those pig faced idiots, eh?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Scruffpuff posted:

This is the most central question regarding Star Citizen and more specifically, Chris Roberts. Gamers are notorious for holding devs' feet to the fire for the smallest infraction, the most mild exaggeration, the most innocent mistake, the slightest variance from a promise.

But not Chris Roberts. A guy whose defining characteristic was sort of making an OK at best game decades ago. HE is the one who gets infinite regard, infinite free chances, and infinite blind faith, even though he's a colossal piece of poo poo.

Where's the hatred handed out to Molyneux, Garriott, Broussard, or Romero? Where is that righteous indignation when it comes to Chris Roberts, who embodies all of the worst traits of those developers, who has none of the talent, and who, unlike them, built his fake empire on a mountain of stolen cash instead of earned capital?

The bigger the investment made in SC the more of a fool you look if Chris is a complete fraud. Most people I've come across (on the net, everyone I know IRL thinks I'm deranged to follow SC the way I do) who haven't put any money in think SC is a scam or at best in development hell and won't release.

I've wondered myself what could open the eyes of the citizens and I think it'd be a critical reaction like the one No Man's Sky got when it released. With an overall negative impression by influencial critics and gamers and they'd know the game is BS.

The Citizens want the world to see SC through their eyes. They need the confirmation that they haven't been made fools of by CiG.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

kordansk posted:

Someone should ask how his HR department at his fortune 50 company would feel about his online presence.

They're not qualified to judge him. No-one is.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Beet Wagon posted:

For context, this man is talking about surprising two strangers with tickets to the world's (upcoming) first luxury space hotel, on the grounds that they bilked him out of all of his money.

Chris and Sandi are like master pimps with all the backers as their bitches.

The dumbest ones, like this Relic idiot, swear Chris loves them and want to please him. Chris tells them he loves them and the way to show it is to suck more dicks and get him more money.

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Meridian posted:

What's it matter where you got the link from if someone is writing poo poo that is stupid as gently caress?

Doing so is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, I think, and therefore bad.

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Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

SoftNum posted:

No this is the "I don't want to do discovery yet" resolution. Which is probably going to result in another conference set so that the magistrate judge can mediate discovery requests, since the parties can't seem to work it out themselves.

It all seemed so exciting 4 months ago when this court case happened.

Now I know how citizens feel: constantly waiting around for even the smallest signs of progress and getting excited about non-events.

Derek's monitoring it, of course. I'll keep you guys up to date with his thoughts, I know how you'd love that.

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