Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Virtual Captain posted:

There's no way they aren't already working on another bullshot. Since they don't need a separate one for Gamescom it'll probably be quite impressive to the faithful.

They will have a really impressive demo, with 2 sandworms, and it will be announced that both SC and SQ42 are just around the corner, release immenent. Then there will be some sort of excuse how they won't be released due to something needing refactoring, and Chris has just had another amazing idea that will set back development another year, but it will have so much more fidelity because of it.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

starkebn posted:

How the gently caress can a game have a $15K backer pledge and it not just be "Everything forever"

Because how could they frack the whales further if they gave them everything?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

G0RF posted:

They had the not a joke Sandworm at CitCon 2016 and Blade Runner Arccorp meets Coruscant at CitCon 2017. Without a Gamescom event and nearing the end of yet another year of deflating hopes, Chris has no choice but to drop massive space pornage this year. This is their biggest rental venue ever, the out of town (out of country) audience attending will have been hugely inconvenienced for the chance to attend and they are counting on Chris to dazzle them like maybe never before this year.

Erin said Land Claims were the “mechanic” he was most excited about in 2018. Land Claims. This is in a year where they’re actually supposed to deliver actual core space sim mechanics like Mining & Salvage.

My guess is that even when Erin was being interviewed, he and Chris had already been cooking up their Next Great StarCon for CitCon 2018 and it’s all about their big real estate monetization plans. The procedural structure generation tech can be put to far more lucrative uses than just meeting their star system build out obligations. Scenic vistas with beautiful sunset views can be yours starting as low as $50, but if you’re looking to really make yourself at home, well, have we got a $urprise for you!


How DARE you imply that they take festival vacations during their working vacations!!!”

(“miss you too!! have fun at Coachella for me!!”)

Well, they sold those land claim thingys, so makes sense they will start to milk people for buildings to go on their land. $100 for a toilet perhaps?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Peter.Quint posted:

I'm an idiot, that much is obvious.

Can anyone who is not an idiot tell me when we're going to get something from Skadden that isn't a total wankfest of theories and dog jerking like we've got now?

I'd give an answer, but too busy wanking.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Titanic posted:

I called player housing (along with like a dozen other people) like two years ago. :shobon:

Ah! But did you write a blog about it?

I thought not! Without a blog to link to its all meaningless!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Thoatse posted:

Great Scott!

Brad!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Doctor Scott!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

You can always tell when someone hasn't seen Rocky Horror....

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Titanic posted:

It was basically Derek who backed her into a corner

Oh stop it, i'm getting visuals here!

Also, my first taxxe!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

MedicineHut posted:

Apologies for sidestepping your overall great and awesome post but... Why on Earth do ships have to absofuckinglutly QT navigate from nav point to nav point in the first place? and in straight lines? And why is speed capped? Why can’t CIG just allow player full QT navigation and speed control ED supercruise style?

Because as long as its different to ED they can claim its better. Copying ED is definitely a no-no. That's why mining is going to be so stupidly complicated, because ED already took the simple shoot rock, collect stuff mechanic. So CIG have to add loads of complicated progress bars to make it more fidelitious.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Pash posted:

I clicked on this link without any sound on, just saw Chris waving his hands around a lot. Think I got what I was supposed to out of it,

I swear, if you cut CR's hands off he wouldn't be able to speak.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Quavers posted:

:siren: Spectrum is hotting up, have the mods there quit? :siren:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsap-vZgiE



:ohdear:



:psypop:

This is good for Star Citizen

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

ManofManyAliases posted:

Lol. You guys should band together to write some fiction.

Do you want stimpire.txt? Because that is how you get stimpire.txt.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Colostomy Bag posted:

What time is that $350 dinner on Friday?

Half past wallet.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Blue On Blue posted:

Theres this

But it goes to a dead link

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsterling/status/651141867266936832?lang=en

I think he said before doing a video on sc he would have to invest way too much time and money into research , derek said he would pay for the research

I thought Jim would be able to afford an Idris.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

LOL, a mite touchy aren't they?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Grubby Hobo posted:

Burning with curiosity about the goings-on at the Whale Dinner

Crowd breaks into spontaneous applause when the first dinner course comes out: procedurally-generated eggs

One lucky whale wins the door prize - 5 minutes of conversation with an actual female

Fun parlor game - how many whales have to be gathered together before they can clip through the floor of the break room?

More likely backers turn up, get told that CIG did a forum poll asking if the scope of the dinner should be expanded (which wouldn't affect delivery of the dinner!), and backers of the dinner said it should be expanded. Unfortunately, this means the dinner is delayed, but while they are waiting they can pre-order extra courses for just a few hundred dollars each.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

My response to that would be along the lines of, if they don't have lots of money in reserve at this point (unlikely) and the game is only 15% done, it means they need in the region of a billion to make the game as promised.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

G0RF posted:

This CommanderLlama Guy on Relay is my new favorite guest. I’m like twenty something minutes in and he’s been slapping down Erris theorycrafting attempts and left and right.

Hercules Theorycrafting Attempt: (23:30ish)

ERRIS: CommanderLlama, how effective do you think it would be to carpetbomb an Idris?

LLAMA: (confused) One that’s... parked on a planet?

ERRIS: No, like one that’s in space. ‘Cause the Retaliator is like, the torpedo bomber that blows poo poo up. This, I mean do you think you could—

LLAMA: I think bombs rely on gravity most of the time...



Erris, riveted by the potential of PG to lead to constantly changing food types AND tableware placement in Squadron’s mess hall, asks Llama (apparently something of a programmer) to assess the impressiveness of procedurally generated asset placement. It’s a shrugs moment.



”CommanderLlama, what do you think about this ship?”



This dynamic is killing me. I can’t stop laughing every time Erris says “CommanderLlama, what do you think about (x)?” And I’ve only made it through a half hour.



Here is Erris’s regularly scheduled meltdown. (This one on the LTI / Warbond thing...)



Here is an Erris micro-meltdown about the totally unfair accusation that CIG favors New Money over Old. (Nekhara’s followup reply destroys this particular argument.)



ERRIS: “Captain Penis asks, ‘What would it take for you to consider Star Citizen or Squadron 42 a failure?”



Erris bemoans the travel time problem that was already obvious to players watching the Gamescom 2016 demo. How nice of you to join us almost two years after the fact, man.



Final Erris meltdown, after reading a question that re-opens the “CIG favors New Money over old” wound.

Erris is right there with Montoya in the “CIG needs money — if you want this game finished shut the hell up about their methods for getting it. Great way to frame that so as to give new prospective backers caution (“what am I getting into here?”) while pissing off old backers by discounting their own contributions.

One last note. CommanderLlama was a gem and it’s quite interesting that he’s writing constructive criticism for Relay now. Apparently his next piece makes the case that Star Citizen is in fact Pay to Win. This in itself isn’t newsworthy but the fact Relay will be publishing it (after years of denying that claim) is rather odd.

Llama isn’t a whale. He owns an Aurora and 1/4th of some multicrew ship he bought with three folks in the early days backs. He states point blank he lost touch with some or all of them years back. They’re not playing, they never played and he doesn’t even know how to reach them.

Since Llama is not a whale, not a collector, not a weekly defender, not a fanboy, he’s looking at the project with far less of a positivity bias. That seems like a plus for Relay. Also, he knows you can’t carpet bomb an Idris from “above” them in space because “gravity”, so it’s probably good for Erris to keep him around.

LOL, they are really struggling for thing to talk about when they are saying how nice it will be that the cafeteria will look different every time you enter due to proc gen food.

So,.... this is what SC is reduced to.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Oh my, on that stream one of the guys says about the new ship: Its good, we will need something to transport tanks and armies across the galaxy.

I'm like, what loving armies? Who the gently caress is going to be part of an army sitting on your ship going where and for what reason?

The dreamcrafting is insane.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Star Citizen: I see a green pixel and I want it painted blue.

No JPEGs any more, I want to be fracked
I see the female avatars walk by dressed in their $100 JPG clothes
I have to turn my head until my money goes

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

So, comparing backing SC with giving blood.

I think he might be onto something here.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Axegrinder posted:

And for the gentleman with a lot of fresh cash: fembots!

Surely you mean "discerning" gentleman.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gosts posted:

[backbeat]

The citizen con seats are packed and sweaty, filled with spaghetti.
The lights dim, room fills with confetti. Christ Roberts comes out, he's ready.

"Behold the procedural, it's a city." He points it out, doesn't mention it's lovely.
You can't interact, but Chris is so witty. Everyone's sucking on the SC titty.

"This apartment is yours for ninteen ninty nine." Hey that's a good deal, sounds fine.
"Recurring payments since the game's online. Even comes with this digital wine."

Chris is on a roll, his hands are waving. He's giving people the attention they're craving.
But with a parp and crack, the roof starts caving. It's Dr. smart, and citizen souls need saving.

He lands with a crash in the middle of the stage. He powers up like goku, going into a rage.
"You think this is good? It's a virtual cage. Trust me on this, I'm a game dev sage."

"You're trapped in this trashfire, digital baloney. Can't you see that this capital ship is phony?"
"Chris is running a scam, and Sandi's a crony. If this game is real, then Ben's body is bony."

Derek's speech is rough, and coarse just like sand. But to these deaf backers, it's nothing but canned.
They all rise and help Roberts, his crowdsurfing's grand. It's too bad that Doctor Smart got banned.

:gary:

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

EightAce posted:

Hilarious new glass door review .

Indeed it does. Caught up on the last half a dozen, only seems to be a couple of marketing made ones in there, the others seem genuine.

However, you have to take sites like glassdoor with a pinch of salt. People are always more likely to leave a negative review than a positive one.

Having said that, some of the comments do align with our own impressions of how CIG is run. The ones about how CIG management should stop the nepotism and stop hiring their old buddies from the past who have no understanding of modern development methodolgies certainly rings a bell.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So, Star Citizen tracker currently has the development at 18% (of major systems) developed.

Funds raised = 184,964,599 (if we accept this is in any way accurate).

Assuming they don't have much in the way of a war chest (suspicion: constant sales, changes to purchases, no LTI, etc), this puts the full cost of development of Star Citizen and SQ42 at: $1,027,000,000.

Ok, ok, i know, linear extrapolation for this sort of thing isn't reliable. We all know when CIG finish the pipelines things will just zoom along! /s

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Dooguk posted:

Don't forget that $1= $4 in the strange mind of Chris Roberts.

Ah, but ALL the money goes into developing the game, nothing goes into marketing. What? The 1000+ marketing videos they are pumping out constantly? That's not marketing! That's just the most open development evah!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
You know what I would like to see?

No? Well, gently caress you, i'll tell you anyway.

A poll!

A poll of SC backers asking them what they want to do when SC is finally realeased, how they want to fly.

A) In my own ship by myself
B) As captain with other players as my crew
C) As a crew member on someone else's ship

I'm going out on a limb here, but i suspect the results would be something like this:

A) 80%
B) 19.9%
C) 0.1%

This of course might cause a problem for those wanting to command peons.

Perhaps goons could make up the shortfall.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

HycoCam posted:

My first probation on the RSI forums came from this exact discussion. The suggestion back in 2014/2015 was many of the backers had wives/significant others that wouldn't be good pilots but would be excellent as crew members. I only pointed out it would be hard for them to be effective at crewing a spaceship because they were too busy making sandwiches. :shrug:

I believe the making sandwiches gameplay is currently being refactored.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

his nibs posted:

Your article is a hatchet piece, propaganda to rile up the populace. Please stop.



https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8hxmsm/star_citizens_new_moves_prioritize_sales_over/dyna0u8/

Typical. Even the most hardcore fans get ripped to shreds if they dare raise a criticism of SC/CIG.

This is the type of community CIG have fostered.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

his nibs posted:

Part of me wishes Star Citizen comes out and is playable.

Purely so I can grief the gently caress out of Clifford aka Miku.

The game he wants to play for the rest of his life? What a derp. I mean, i love bacon, but i can't eat just bacon. I love ED and hope to play it for years, but sooner or later it will go into the pile of other loved games that i rarely play, and I still play other games regardless from time to time.

Anyway, back to the grind... and no, i don't mean ED, i mean Fortnite: Save the World. Playing as a constructor i'm always needing a ton of crafting stuff to make decent bases.... that other players then screw up by building all around my carefully designed defenses... assholes.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Hav posted:

The Bind Culling Problem

Well, it's not because of server sync, see;



Although point #5 appears to suggest that the client *is* effecting server speed.

The other worrying point is that he says himself, 'Fidelity is the enemy of performance'. This brings into play what the targets for performance should be be (as a metric, because you can measure it) versus what the Fidelity should be, which is entirely subjective.

I wonder if every time CR says he wants more fidelity the devs weep.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

his nibs posted:

Two #sponsored streamers want to move on from the the LTI shitstorm

Who knew?


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/259498151?t=01h18s

Are they clones?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

his nibs posted:

Bored Citizer: I'm A Fanboy Because I've Done My Research


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TofrmnLrR3w&t=840s

I would also like to declare i've done my research. I've spent many hours pouring over the output by CIG, and therefore feel qualified to say "Nah nah nah!"

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Titanic posted:

I always love people who cite "exploration" as a reason for having procedural content. I've seen lots of procedural content in lots of games, and I'm afraid the one thing I don't feel as I'm sanding across some procedural land, is that sense of exploration.

Maybe it's different in stuff like Elite Dangerous though and their procedural planets? Are they super fun to explore, or are you just going from one ping on a radar to the next ping without really looking at anything? Unless of course you find a "broken zone" where the procedural failed for some reason. Then it gets interesting.

Ah, i remember when SC fans bashed ED for its use of procgen. Of course, this was back when SC was going to be 100% handcrafted, and handcrafted was the best thing possible... until CIG said it would use procgen, then procgen would be best.

Regardless, 100 systems..... yeah, that's not really going to give much in the way of exploration, especially since QT is point to point, little chance of finding something new or interesting that hasn't been found by someone else within a day or two of launch... or even before CIG makes a 1.0.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Oh look, something else that has totally been done before, but you wouldn't believe it if you only listened to some people.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Beet Wagon posted:

It's not different in Elite: Dangerous. Exploring is insanely boring and most of the time involves pointing at a planet to scan it and then leaving. Occasionally you'll get out and drive your rover around, but Elite has one thing going for its exploration that Star Citizen doesn't - you're constantly reminded that you're in space.

Well, you're not wrong in some ways, but as someone who has spent well over 1000 hours exploring in ED, and with the greatest possible respect, gently caress you buddy.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

So, all it takes to get a signed certificate from CR and co. is to spend 50k on a computer game! Money well spent! Maybe even one day there will be a decent game to go along with it!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

G0RF posted:

Meanwhile, Keramz is typing...

[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/8ihzy1/comment/dyuxj24?st=JH3GZHWZ&sh=120d8409]


[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/8ihzy1/comment/dysrquu?st=JH3HQBQ2&sh=2850fefe]


(Sorry if this was capped already - putting the text here for lurkers...)

He said "CIG isn't the same company as it was in 2012."

Sorry Keramz, its exactly the same company it was back then. CR was top dog then, and he is still top dog now, and he hasn't changed one bit... except he's got 7 years older.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

300 million. That's a lowball estimate if i ever saw one. Perhaps 300 million to get a MVP out of the door, still missing most of what has been promised.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5