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Hello everyone, disgruntled Star Citizen backer Jonny Shiloh here. I've been lurking for a while but, with 3.5 and the NEW FLIGHT MODELTM soon to pop out of the oven to (no doubt) admiring gasps from the citizenry, now seemed as good a time as any to sign up. That, and the fact that I've had more laughs reading this thread and its catalogue of SC-related disasters than a man of my age could reasonably expect to have had, it seemed churlish not to spend a bit of money to keep the lights on. Anyway, I'm away to catch up with the thread.
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Mar 7, 2019 13:52
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OK I'm all caught up. Reassuring to see that Star Citizen is still good. One concern - what's Chris up to these days though? For someone who made the art of motion pictures his own, it's worrying he's been out of the spotlight a bit recently. Has he been spotted in the wild, or do the new investors maybe have him strapped down in a computer room somewhere, code wizarding away on Squadron 42 with only Dennis for company in case the mouse stops working or he forgets what his password is? I miss his perplexed and sweaty face - hope he's OK.
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Mar 7, 2019 14:59
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Jobbo_Fett posted:He's making the best drat hyper real space sim of all loving time, thats what! I believe I'm qualified - I have done some programming you know code:
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Mar 7, 2019 15:27
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monkeytek posted:How much you in for friend? A not inconsiderable amount, certainly more than I've spent on any other AAA game in the recent past. £60. Mind you, that's got me an Aurora in SC, and access to the billion dollar IP that is (or will be) Squadron 42, so money well spent methinks.
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Mar 8, 2019 00:24
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Sarsapariller posted:Ah yes the most Socially Just War of them all: asking for there to be more than one gender and possibly model in a video game It's a quandary for your average citizen. Instinctively he rebels against the idea of inclusiveness in Star Citizen because goddamn it what about us oppressed overweight white guys with little beards and 80s t-shirts, but then again... living as he does out there on the gritty frontier hewing wood from the native forest in mom's basement he remains MAN STRONG LIKE BULL and yearns for companionship and someone to doff his fedora at, perhaps a docile soul to share his pristine collection of Star Wars collectables with, a sweet-natured doormat willing to share a particularly fine nutty ale with overtones of prunes and boiled beef with him, happy to sit in his Connie looking pretty while he rules his space empire with a fist of iron...
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Mar 8, 2019 01:12
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If they're going to fit 1,000 Skyrims into a single crater on a small moon, then of course they're going to need caves - lots of them, in fact. They're also going to need restless undead, extinct stocky little bearded fellows with a penchant for digging and machinery, pointy eared tall beings who are good at space magic, and Norwegians.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:36
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TheAgent posted:the reason the y are adding caves is because a chapter in sq42 needs caves You think? I reckon someone has pointed out to Chris that the caves in NMS are super kewl and creepy, so he's added them to the list of knock offs he wants in Star Citizen. But anyway... if they wanted caves for Squadron 4deux, they'd just handcraft them in, surely? I mean, it's a single player self contained 'Verse so they can pretty much plop down whatever they want in it and the wider proc-gen SC
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Mar 8, 2019 22:56
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TheAgent posted:absolutely nothing in the pu is proc gen lol Look at the crappy repeating patterns on the surface of their planets and tell me that hasn't been slung together with an algorithm. But what I'm saying is - if S42 needs caves, there's a team of landscape artists who can give it caves. So there must be some other reason why caves are suddenly in vogue in the PU. Or am I missing something obvious?
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Mar 8, 2019 23:04
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Experimental Skin posted:You're recovering well considering how recently you escaped the hive, but your rehabilitation will be incomplete until un-learn the un-good jargon Robert Space indoctrinated in. Aha, I see I have much to learn. In the spirit of enlightenment, then, that tiling effect - is that handmade? Gods, that would be even worse.
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Mar 8, 2019 23:33
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TheAgent posted:now CIG uses proc gen to explain terrain generators that almost any open world game uses to create their world. I get it now - I wasn't using the correct terminology. So they'd run a terrain generator, not a proc gen algorithm, to create one of their crappy tiled moons, repeating patterns and all... and then the art team would step in and go to work snipping off the sprues and softening the edges before the asset guys moved in to place structures and the like. OK that's not a million miles away from my previous understanding of it.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:12
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TheAgent posted:the thing with proc gen stuff is that AI pathing becomes a very, very loving difficult thing to get right, especially if you are dealing with enemies with both ranged and melee attacks, that can utilize cover and have what we would consider basic combat AI. especially if you have a game set a thousand years in the future, where the humanoid enemies should be able to communicate to each other over vast distances to flank or out maneuver you I'm absolutely sure Tony Z has this all figured out already. I mean, the man might give the impression of a pothead English lit professor teaching Stephen King studies while winding down his career in some small New England college, but looks can be deceptive, and from what I read of his Subsumption AI, behind that facade burns the mind of a C. A. Rotwang.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:25
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So is Star Citizen any good these days? Wait... Just noticed Twerk's latest "Answer the Call" has gone up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtxNjkwG3sM 313 views so far, maybe he needs swig some Red Bull and shout more. Jonny Shiloh fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Mar 11, 2019 13:15
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Talking about comics, here's a fun fact - I was in 2000AD once (with my late dad). We were on a trip through the Soviet Union on the Trans-Siberian Express in 1988 (or 89, I can't exactly remember) in the company of a carriage load of Guardian readers (my old man was a bit of a lefty and had spotted a Page & Moy reader offer). I was a Russian speaker and my mother would rather have run off with a circus than travel across Siberia in December with him... so he invited me. One of our party was a chap called Arthur Ranson, who was an artist working on 2000AD. He was on the trip researching Soviet-era monumental art (big statues of Lenin, слава труду, that sort of thing) for an upcoming Judge Anderson strip partly set in something something Sov Block whatever. We got on just fine and he put me and my dad in one of the scenes once he'd got round to drawing it. I've never featured in Star Citizen of course, but hope springs and all that.
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Mar 11, 2019 22:42
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The Rabbi T. White posted:The Lucasarts games were substantially better than any of the Sierra ones. The old Sierra city builders were great - I spent a lot of time with Rome and Cleopatra.
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Mar 12, 2019 10:59
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Tokamak posted:It is a feature film quality camera being used to capture a 1080p image at quarter scale, and then compressed in real-time for streaming. Star Citizen in a nutshell.
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Mar 12, 2019 12:30
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tuo posted:There obviously should be a 4th robot law in regard to You shall not give Chris Roberts money, or by your actions (or inaction) allow money to be given to Chris Roberts.
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Mar 12, 2019 13:14
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Sarsapariller posted:Don't skim that post, go read the full article, this is next-level pathetic even for CI~G That's just hilarious - Star Citizen has now apparently detached itself from reality and is currently gestating in an alternate dimension where *gasp* elite businessmen play Star Marine. I've suddenly got a hankering to reinstall - if edit: taxxe, I guess 
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Mar 13, 2019 13:09
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Agony Aunt posted:Or more likely, in his bedroom fapping over Wing Commander. *mind bleach*
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Mar 14, 2019 13:23
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Hav posted:She's never catching a taxi back there. They look like the kind of bros who call a beer a "brewski" and each other "dawg".
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Mar 14, 2019 22:09
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"So much sci-fi opportunity here... you're missing out on so much sci-fi opportunity here... 100%! 100%!!!" I'm not sure CI¬G could pay me enough to say those words without it turning me into the Mouth of Sauron.
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Mar 15, 2019 17:47
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Scruffpuff posted:As much as there is wrong with that scene, and there's a lot, I'm actually impressed that the grenade worked to the extent that it killed the commandos. We've been over this before. You can't possibly compare a game that was released in 2011 and developed in an engine which was written specifically for it, with Crobbers hacked together Crytek mod due to release in 2022 or whenever. You just can't.
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Mar 18, 2019 16:01
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Pixelate posted:Rex compiled some funny clips. They're almost all bugs. Or not funny. Or just ships exploding cinematically. But I like the inspirational ones set to music... "Welcome to war, maggot!" I do have a concern though - when Rex moves on, as he surely will once his portion of the $48M runs out, his ZDF crew are going to crash real hard without the constant injections of HYPEEEEEE and bullshit. It might have worked for Demi Lovato, but I doubt even elephant sized doses of naloxone are going to be enough to get those boys back on their feet again.
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Mar 19, 2019 13:04
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Hav posted:We’re going to have to be more convincing than that. They called our bot game almost effortlessly, and i suspect they’ll find out about mockingbird very shortly if they keep up the reading. I think mockingbird is already a busted flush. Vertisce and that Kazan are pretty smart cookies, I reckon they'll have got it all figured out by now *taps nose* Expect a counter attack at some point soon, would be my guess. I'm still not tempted to reinstall SC by the way, in case anyone was wondering - looking at the latest videos, it seems to have got even worse. Seriously, how long can this poo poo show carry on for? When is it going to collapse under the weight of its own mediocrity?
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Mar 20, 2019 12:20
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Scruffpuff posted:
That's the singular genius of Star Citizen, of course - it can be whatever you or anyone else wants it to be. BDSSE, ineptly-hacked together CryEngine mod, criminal erotic gameplay simulator, métro boulot dodo commuter thriller, half-baked graphically dated MMO in space... if you can articulate it, SC is all that and more. It's never going to end, is it?
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Mar 20, 2019 12:44
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Dementropy posted:https://twitter.com/SharkStarNews/status/1108303941333327872 
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Mar 20, 2019 13:53
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OK, here's a treat of sorts - Bored's latest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhZ3OE84QFY Well worth a watch, because you'll hear Bored and Harbinger talking in some detail about the current SC project. Don't be put off by the org chat at the beginning, or the continued, obligatory professions of faith at how much better everything is... there are a number of interesting insights into the thinking of two heavily-invested Citizens. Of particular note - the discussion about the dearth of video content coming out of CI¬G; the new flight model; CI¬G's public face and its community relations; that investment; how Bored would feel about being paid by CI¬G; the lack of design documents; and some lite theorycrafting about S42.
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Mar 20, 2019 14:48
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Scruffpuff posted:I'm starting to see an interesting Star Citizen-related pattern. I guess I always knew it was going to happen, but I never thought about it until now: the heavily-invested citizens are starting to weave a new narrative, and this one is special because they're weaving themselves into it, and retconning their own reality along with CI-G+G's. CI¬G has made it pretty clear that SC has been bulldozed off the carrier while S42 gets made, so the Citizenry doesn't have a lot of choice but to make their peace with the single-player game and get in lock step behind it. From their perspective it makes sense - all the work going on in S42 will surely benefit the MMO, right? And think of the money it will make! Billions of dollars to be ploughed right back into SC!!
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Mar 20, 2019 15:36
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tuo posted:Yes, with the video cutter as a stand in for an actual actress, which should have been hired later if they got some funding. Turned out the video cutter was very talented and kept the job. See, Sandi, you have to become the video cutter of the next movie you buy yourself into, so you are in full control who gets cut and who not. I really like the story of how that got made, Melina Juergens seems like a nice person. Anyway, that sassy SC hip sway eh? Phwooar.
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Mar 21, 2019 10:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJvGUq7RzD4 Another interesting one from a bunch of invested Citizens. It's nearly 3 hours long (sidenote: is there any other unreleased game out there which generates 3 hour long discussions between fans?) and I haven't watched it all yet (and probably never will, tbh) but the first 30 minutes' discussion about CI¬G's abandonment of subscriber content, and the saltiness in the live chat, is revealing. Lack of community content, the Faceware game changer that never happened, community engagement in the shitter, out of date information on the ship pages, Turbulent, the *new* tutorials which the *new* flight model will render obsolete... it goes on and on... They get so close, they really do, but can't quite bring themselves to take the discussion to its logical conclusion, to whit, CI¬G don't give a poo poo about you, nerds - there's a new investor in town and he needs placating. Starts at the 12 min mark, positive vibes reassert themselves at around 45 mins in.
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Mar 21, 2019 12:09
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colonelwest posted:I am totally an expert on the female body, because I’m definitely surrounded by them at all times, and they totally have the sex with me, because I’m a gentlemen of class and refinement who owns an Idris. Don't forget to tip the fedora as they pass, Citizen. "After you, m'lady"
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Mar 21, 2019 15:12
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tuo posted:A lot of info hinted at the fact that 2018 might be the year the either have to downsize or go out of business, because they ran out of money. The investment they got is nearly exactly the estimated amount of money they needed to easily make it to 2020. Plus the very, very strange change in.....everything? Soft reboot of Squadron42 last year, gradually killing or minimizing the weekly shows of theirs, as someone said earlier no more big concept sale reveals, a very obvious downgrade in "fidelity" (something which I assume would never have happened if Chris had the chance to stop it), plus an overall different "attitude" from "hey, look at us pissing away backer money" to "oh poo poo I think we actually need to release something playable in the next two years". Pretty much my impression too, and for obvious reasons - you can goof off with Vertisce's backer money as much as you want and basically gently caress you nerds, but when someone very rich drops 40-odd million dollars on you with expectations to match... well, you get in line brother or you're out on your arse. It's just a shame it wasn't Russian money, because then we'd really have seen the hamster wheels spinning and that would have been hilarious... but hey, you can't have everything.
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Mar 22, 2019 09:21
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Hoo boy - they're really phoning in the ATVs these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGDzedGcmL0 11 minutes of basically nothing (unless the Art Director of Blade Runner ever decides to sue CI¬G for IP theft, in which case lots of evidence), along with a mild stinger at the end - the 300 variants have been dropped from 3.5, but will be patched in later (yay!).
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Mar 22, 2019 10:20
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FailureToReport posted:Then you're living in the real world. In which case you cannot be a Star Citizen, citizen. QED ipso facto post hoc ergo propter hoc, timeo danaos et dona ferentes, Carthago delenda est.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:32
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Deadguy2322 posted:You forgot the most important bit of Latin for a citizen. Nihil, civis asterum. Irruma Crobblers-um.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:47
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So wait, with 3.5 is Star Citizen good now?
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Mar 25, 2019 17:02
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Sarsapariller posted:Yeah that's the other part. Each one takes years to flesh out and build these enormous cities around, so big you have to spend ten minutes walking from the landing pad to wherever they're standing. For all that effort I expect some interesting story or flavor or something but instead it's like "Hey I'm an old creep, do my generic missions." Or, alternately: "Hey I'm a slightly younger but still old creep, in a bar, do my generic missions." That's it! All that work, for the exact same horseshit box-hauling missions that you were doing from your wrist! They don't even vary it up with interesting twists. Here's the documentation for missions in CryEngine in case CI¬G's intern is watching the thread https://docs.cryengine.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=29450614
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Mar 25, 2019 20:11
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Bored looks at the moons of ArcCorp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZH_3xHPkD0 A victory lap might be a bit premature... Meanwhile, WTF and Astropub manage to talk for the best part of two hours about Star Citizen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er5ojHF7_7o And finally, Twerk rounds out the day by heading in a new direction - parking a teeny tiny Carden Loyd tankette on Bored's lawn with a 25 minute look at 3.5's patch notes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp9dxizN4kw You're welcome
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Mar 27, 2019 10:52
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Beet Wagon posted:[video of npc mission giver sitting in a chair, giving a mission] Once again, Chris Roberts provides the canvas and these loonies go and scribble all over it... I was flicking (digitally) though some of the old Letters from the Chairman, and I'm amazed that CI¬G still have these on the website. I know it's futile, casting Chris' words back at backers as a way of deprogramming them... but still, has anyone ever compiled a list of all the steaming horseshit contained in "the Letters" that currently has been superseded, forgotten about, changed or quietly buried? EDIT: For example, have a look at this load of old cobblers https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15138-Letter-From-The-Chairman quote:With this funding we are now building a game that can compete with any AAA publisher backed game out there. No corporate suits deciding what franchise to milk or license. Jonny Shiloh fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Mar 27, 2019 22:56
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Sarsapariller posted:
Man, that 3rd person view of the spaceship janking around... and those turrets at the end, still firing when apparently destroyed... not to mention the sheer amount of time it takes to do anything or get anywhere... or the Godawful HUD... or the prissy attention to "overheating"... Seriously, not one part of that looked like "fun".
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Mar 28, 2019 11:06
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From the latest S42 update email:quote:This month, Character Art revisited the hair development pipeline. With the help of the Graphics Team, they developed new tools and shader tech to improve realism while maintaining quality and performance. They’re currently modeling characters and new hairstyles to test their new pipeline with. Good to see the important stuff has its own pipeline.
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Mar 28, 2019 14:39
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