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AP
Jul 12, 2004

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TheAgent posted:

currently slamming flan while sipping $40/shot tequila

life is good

https://twitter.com/ChambersArt/status/804780781809889282

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Jul 12, 2004

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TheAgent posted:

was also going to mention I ain't paying for poo poo

The backers will never know.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/CaptainZyloh/status/804813671255969794

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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For a long time CIG never went under $20k a day, anything drifting that direction caused a sale.

After 2.0 shipped last year, their low end daily between sales was 70k/day for a couple of months, new gameplay, ok you can see that generating interest. Since then sales have been so often the daily figure hasn't had time to settle down.

They have just finished a massive sale, biggest ever, they sold everything so the whales will have been spending like crazy. As far as I know (because I've started to lose interest) there's no sale currently on.



So, no whales should be spending, as nothing special on sale and they should be tapped out for a couple of weeks anyway. The low end starter package is $45, so according to the chart, CIG are getting ~1000 new punters a day, 4+ years after the kickstarter with no new game play for 6 months and their major fan site videos get hundreds of views per show?

Something badly stinks about the current funding figures, it's just not believable.

The new Citizen forum on RSI has 3 threads with a post in them today, 2 threads active yesterday.

AP fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 4, 2016

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Randarkman posted:

Why are Americans and British so fascinated with German compound words? There's really nothing that amazing about it, it's just like alot of other languages where you can, theoretically, make a compound word out of anything if you were inclined. Like "Fremdschämen" literally is just the words for "stranger" and "shame" combined into one, so it's literally "stranger shame". Norwegian among others works the same way, while English doesn't. Though I guess the Germans have been especially industrious about recording what is thought to be clever uses of that functionality, so they can have that.

The english word for it is exoticnovelty.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/805872968979062785

There is independent verification of this out there but I'm not linking it because it's not really fair to identify individuals to the crazies anymore, given what's going to happen next year.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Ol Cactus Dick posted:

Speaking of dealing with it, doesn't the avocados playing Star Marine mean that Dr. Warlord lost his :toxx: ?

As I understand it Derek was right that the original release of 2.6 to evocati didn't include Star Marine, moma was talking poo poo or trying to get Derek to break the NDA to prove him wrong. The 2nd option seems the more likely to me for him making so much fuss over something that doesn't matter at all, everyone knows Star Marine will be poo poo and so it will be proved, eventually, beyond all doubt.

Anyone with any sense and experience who works there is looking for the exit door now.

I know you and D1E have a real problem with Derek, my advice would start getting used to him being right.

Edit Also lol at ex-CIG staff not updating their linkedin profiles while their new company is quite keen to talk about new hires and they seem happy to talk, I wonder how that happens.

AP fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 5, 2016

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Ol Cactus Dick posted:

He's been right exactly once, not much to get used to really. That's even the same number of times Moma has been right.

He's so right we'll need a new German word for it.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

loving lol. SM was in there and was playable, but not to every evocati tester. You don't have it nor have access to it, so you wouldn't know. I don't blame you otherwise.

You're full of poo poo and you blew your wad on that stupidity, before that you might just have been a brain dead Citizen.

ManofManyAliases posted:

In other words, Derek is right, but I (and Derek) will not post how he's right. But, believe us: he's right.

:rolleyes:

Take a :toxx: on it, and I'll link proof just to get you banned.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

AP, mind pm'ing me that link... I'm mighty curious.

I wouldn't need to pm it, moma is surely going to take the toxx so I'll just be posting it.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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I've just archived the webpage link I have moma, so it's time stamped as of this post.

Don't leave people blue balled now mate, take the toxxx. When CIG wonder where the link came from, you can say you asked for me to post it.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

An artist or "design" staff is not high profile.

Tony Zurovec is a designer you saying he's not high profile?

It's not Tony Zurovec and I'm not giving clues, you take the toxx and I'll link a previously unknown dirty leaver who was working on SQ42 until recently. Then you can try to argue he's not important while I laugh at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zcgi-iX9UY

But you won't take the toxx because you're full of poo poo.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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sorla78 posted:

what's the toxx?
this thread has become sentient and developed its own lingo.

If moma takes a toxx he's betting that I can't link a recent SQ42 leaver, he's trying to change it to an important leaver now and wiggle out of it.

Just so there's no doubt, I think this person could be useful to keep around so I'll let him toxx for someone who could be argued to be an important member of the SQ42 development team.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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thatguy posted:

MoMA don't take the toxx over some dumb turnover bullshit. Take the toxx that Derek has been wrong about everything about Star Marine for the past week.

He added wiggle room to that too now by saying not all evocati could access Star Marine on the first release, that wasn't how he was originally arguing it. Also check this.

ManofManyAliases posted:

loving lol. SM was in there and was playable, but not to every evocati tester. You don't have it nor have access to it, so you wouldn't know. I don't blame you otherwise.

Yet, according to him he didn't have access to evocati either. The guy is full of poo poo and should toxx on dirty leavers to prove me wrong.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Hey Moma, thanks for being entirely predictable and disappearing.

ManofManyAliases posted:

An artist or "design" staff is not high profile.

I'm sure Derek will tweet something later about the SQ42 Senior Programmer departure, so you can jump back into the thread then to say "not high profile" :smuggo:

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Moma, want to try for a bonus round?



I say someone in the image above recently left CIG.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Kakarot posted:

Hey, dont be mean to Money

It's not money.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Unfunny Poster posted:

I have been completely out of the loop with this game. Wasn't Squadron 42 promised to be released before the end of the year? Especially by the diehard defenders who said it was all but guaranteed?

It's been released and it's great, evocati testers are doing missions and having a great time right now, I'm sure they'd tell us all about it but there's a strict NDA to prevent spoilers. If you're in the evocati tester group and it's not working for you, that's because only some evocati users have it (obviously).

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

"WHOA GUYS - 1 person in 300+ is leaving! Sky is falling!"

You're going tooooo fast on Derek's Delusional Train. Better slow it down a bit.

:gary:

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

Highly doubtful. Still a lot of bugs in the flight model and a larger bug currently crashing GPUs. I don't see it for Friday.

It might be good enough for a subset of Evocati. Evocati++

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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A Neurotic Corncob posted:

Remember back in March when Chris said that Craig Grounsell was gonna get docking up and running in short order, and that it was a technically easy thing to do?

https://youtu.be/ciCNkp20O7w?t=10m48s

still no docking. wha happen?????

Moma, can you confirm this is in the game in 2.6? TIA

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

I know where I would put my money on.

Money is absolutely fine, I think he's pretty cool and he really isn't interested in computer games at all. He was the most likable person on those horrible twitch shows after all the others got fired/resigned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuC1Hw-S0tg&t=12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukNj3p9VfOw&t=164s

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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alf_pogs posted:

mrs lesnick is my guess

It was the guy in the hat behind Lando, the video guy who rushed together that Citizen Con special on Around the Verse to explain why they didn't show SQ42. I think they laid him off as a reward for being competent, it was making the rest of them look bad, but I really have no clue.

Also a senior programmer for SQ42 that was in charge, according to Chris Roberts, of the "not difficult" task of making ships dock together, land and all sorts of stuff in SQ42 left. According to moma this is normal turnover though and nothing at all to worry about in the slightest, senior programmers leaving months before SQ42 ships probably just means everything is done already and they're holding it back because of spoilers. I dunno if he was laid off or left but... hahaha, ok, I'm sure he left, he probably ran out the fire exit before anyone could stop him grinning from ear to ear.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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trucutru posted:

Whoa! Good thing moma didn't toxx or he would be in trouble. Stay safe moma and call your parents.

I kinda expected Derek to tweet about it but he's been quiet today. I didn't see the point in linking proof and subjecting the guy to Shitizen abuse for giving a nice interview at his new firm.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/TESTGamingTV/status/806259268747804672

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rcWkqliP6A&t=1117s

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/800324262678630404

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/804106985432055809

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/804107295621873665

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/804835495171817472

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/805929989124263940

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/806291601542803456

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Beet Wagon posted:

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/804835495171817472

Have you tried... making something good? If CIG put out something legitimately good and fun I'd play it in a heartbeat.


I am programmed for more than just hate.

It's really sums Star Citizen up for me, the impression internet people have of a game module that the vast majority of them can't play or even watch real gameplay videos of, is important. Why? If it's due to be released soon then you could just concentrate on making it as good as possible and worry about if people like it when they actually have it.

But no, in CIG land you'd make many internet aliases to argue with people that their impression of something not yet released was wrong.

https://twitter.com/SeanNoonan/status/804106985432055809

AP fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Dec 7, 2016

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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I don't feel bad for the devs anymore, that guy joined CIG in August 2015, it was obviously CIG were taking advantage of the mentally ill at that point and rumours of how bad employees were treated were circulating among dev studios.

Anyone joining from that point onwards deserves what they get and anyone still there from earlier should really have left by now.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/806563193866899457

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

is it the bearded heavy metal band looking kinda guy?

https://twitter.com/ChambersArt/status/786692462890848256

I assume you mean the above, no, he's boss of Foundry 42 Frankfurt.

If I did know any other names I'd try to trick Moma into toxxing himself before posting them.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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thatguy posted:

Ugh this is boring why is nothing funny happening yet?

CIG is trying hard to keep a lid on things for the December sale, I bet dirty leaver poo poo is going to go crazy in January.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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thatguy posted:

Lame.

When is the most realistic date for me to be playing Star Marine if I'm not an Operating Evocati XVIII Supreme Being?

I'm not sure, it depends I guess on if releasing something broken and poo poo is better than ending 2016 without releasing anything.

2017 is going to be crazy.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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TheAgent posted:

please please please crobberts make lesbos IV a planet I can explore and capture xi'an lesbians so I can teach them how to love my penis in my cargo hold

tia

I know a guy that can make a calendar based on this.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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For the difficult times ahead.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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intardnation posted:

my issue for the refunds was that I had ships gifted to me for the lti. I am hosed and accept that.
I am a star citizen.

You can get gifted items refunded as long as the value is less than the amount you spent on the account. The gifting limitations are all poo poo CIG made up. If you've $100 on your account in RSI meltable value items and have spent $150 you can get $100 back. If you have $100 on your account in RSI meltable value items and have spent $50 you should be able to get $50 back and have them leave the account open with the other $50 still on it or have $50 returned to whoever gifted you it.

There's no way CIG want to stand up in court and attempt to explain all this dodgy gifting poo poo.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKQJkG7Xh6o

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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intardnation posted:

ok i will try and get out. I read that I was poo poo outta luck. how do I figure out melt value? AP?

Thanks.

Before you reclaim something into RSI credits there is a confirmation screen asking for your password, don't put your password in obviously, but that screen shows you how much each hangar item would melt/reclaim for.

Before emailing CIG for a refund, take a copy of your entire billing support page and copy/paste your hangar log to notepad for a backup as they might disable your access to the account (which makes it a lot harder to argue exact details with them).

Also are you in the US or the EU?

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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intardnation posted:

canada so usa.

Keep us informed what's happening with the refund, CIG keep tabs on the thread and they really won't like us laughing at their pitiful attempts at avoiding refunding you, which might also help.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/807141424030486530

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Jul 12, 2004

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What's the big deal about the largest crowdfunded failure in history guys? Who cares that something this big is likely to make a few depressed over "invested" idiots it attracts, kill themselves?

Who really cares that the "founders" of it all will just walk away when the RSI website goes offline and the chances of them actually being brought to account for running a deception for years is low?

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