AP posted:

DapperDon posted:

The biggest thing I was wanting to look forward to was to see dozens of Goons in starter ships go after those whales in the super expensive chariots like a pack of hyenas.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Well Ray himself responded to my refund request. Their e-commerce team is reviewing the account and will let me know how much they're going to offer.

quote:

"Now you have a million game designers, a million arm chair developers, a million CEOs [telling us what to do]," Roberts explained.

MeLKoR posted:

spacetoaster posted:

Have we got a link to the show?

FOUND IT! http://myxtv.com/shows/videos/cast-me-ep2

The Titanic posted:

This is as depressing as it is realistic. I've seen stuff like this happen at pretty big levels, like an entire factory. One day people come to work and the gates are chained up. What a great surprise for everybody.

quote:

the vehicle, which was initially slated for 2014. The date has once been pushed back to 2015, and again moved to 2016. They are now saying that production will begin in 2017.

Mr.PayDay posted:

Let them tell you:


"People are obsessed with having legal control, I am not.

I trust that Chris is not a scam artist, I believe, absent physical proof or control that he will do his best to deliver the best game that he can deliver with the resources he has been granted.

If he fails, oh well, that was a risk we all took together in giving him a collective $130 million dollars. I can watch my $2000 drift away and get on with my life.

The potential payoff of "the best damned space sim ever" is worth that risk to me. I understood from day one that it was a risk and when it looked shaky rather than cutting bait I doubled down, because from everything I see him say and do I trust that he is an autisitc nerd trying to make the holy grail of nerd-dom and I want to help.

I also believe as an author/artist myself that strict controls and oversight and intrusive accounting has a stifling effect on creativity and productivity. If you want someone to produce something beautiful from their own mind you cannot lean over their should nitpicking all the time, this kills the creative process. Even if you paid for the sculpture you have to gently caress off and let the sculptor be while it is being made."


Need more ? Here:

"An opinion is not a fact no matter how many times you state it.

Your perspective tells you that $2000 is an enormous sum of money that should be spent on socially acceptable things. My perspective tells me that $2000 is an expendable sum of money that can be risked on a dream. Neither of us is wrong in our own context we only become wrong when we attempt to force our opinion into someone elses context.

I would be wrong to demand that you a poorfag spends $2000 on a game so that my dream will have more funding.

You are wrong to demand that I live according to your monetary ideals and spend money only on essentials. Just because you would not do a thing, does not make that thing wrong or stupid or irrational. Motivation is not objective and you are not the arbiter of rationality."

ripptide posted:

ROFL Guess they're really getting desperate, just received my PTU invite for 2.6k. Wonder if I should email them back reminding them I'm a dirty leaver and no longer have an account )

TheLightPurges posted:

They did this poo poo with 2.4. Half the features were missing and it was dire but they pushed that poo poo to Live anyway.

Baxta posted:

I get that they can both use the same libraries. Thats ok. How does "star engine" seamlessly work with Lumberyard though? If star engine was so completely different from cryengine, are they then using lumberyard as the new base and referencing their own libraries in some other branch? Are they just starting from scratch and using some other 2.6 branch and ditching their previous stuff? How can this be anything other than bullshit?!

D_Smart posted:

No matter how they spin it; this is bad. And I warned (just weeks ago) about something big coming by year end and which backers need to be prepared for. I just couldn't talk about it because it would put people at risk since only a few people knew about this. I am on vacation with only access to mobile; so I can't find the tweet. But search my feed, it's in there. I am writing a new blog about this when I come back, that's why I am not saying much now because then the blog would be pointless.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

Everyone likes to throw out the what-ifs for the completely unlikely event of SC being released as a possible win for people from here but even if it did, would anyone seriously want to give Chris Roberts money? After all this?

I don't think trying to fill a bucket with commando-tears would be worth the price of admission if it meant giving a single dollar to these people.

ewe2 posted:

Promise me that if the game actually comes out, Goons will adopt Kilrathi avatars and meowing speech packs the better to taunt their victims with.

quote:

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Constitutes, promotes, facilitates, or permits gambling.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Did I doubt a little? Sure - It's a crowd-funded game from a new company helmed by a mix of individuals from different walks of life. There's always a tinge of doubt. But, through the course of the last couple of years my observations, information I received from individuals and the interactions from CIG, I do believe the project will eventually succeed. I think anyone spending money on crowdfunding ought to realize that it's a gamble. If Chris pulls a similar stunt as Keiji (I don't think he will), I can't be mad at myself for willingly and knowingly spending my money on something that wasn't a sure thing.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I always said I can move to sell my stuff next year (there'll be people who will buy - no doubt). But any money I spent on this game so far is money I knew I might not see again. Unlike others with buyers' remorse, I went into this thinking that it's a gamble.

orcinus posted:

Theorycrafting about what it would be like if Star Citizen actually came out is nice and all, but missed one glaring issue - even if it did somehow come out, and was technically completely functional, and contained all the features announced...

... it would still be unplayable and broken. Because the fundamental design of the game is either completely lacking, or totally broken, depending on the area, and people designing it couldn't be trusted to design a circle with a drafting compass.

kikkelivelho posted:

I know these twelve or so goons like to pretend that they are experts in all things design and software but lets make some things clear

Lumbertyard is not a "new" engine it is the Cryengine engine with a lot of added cloud based features and systems

Lumbertyard is fully a Cryengine engine and all source code fully licensed totally with rights to make games functioning over a computing cloud and licensing it forward to anyone who wants to make cloud based games.

Because Star Citizen was from the beginning based on cloud computing and large servers the only thing that they needed to do was to transfer their cloud servers from Google's cloud to Amazon's cloud and with the 2.6 patch that has been done (2.5 was still Google 2.6 is now running on Amazon's cloud).

The Amazon Lumberyard license is free right now and this will also be true for any future Star Citizen mod servers.

Lumberyard is using a slightly newer version of Cryengine as it's engine so when Star Citizen moves over to it all current features will remain intact but CIG will be free from all the Crytech licenses which will be a good thing since Crytech probably won't exist for long Star Citizen and CIG can avoid all the trouble that a Crytech bankruptcy can bring

The move to Lumberyard is a massive financial boost to everyone who dreams of running their own Star Citizen servers since that will now be considerably cheaper and easier.

Mirificus posted:

BigMouthSingers posted:

I think we're missing the woods for the trees. Lumberyard may well be have been easy to join with starengine, but there must be a significant amount of custom platform scaffolding unrelated to the engine that means the jig is up for their devops guys.

Sandweed posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYbyZvkM2c

AbstractNapper posted:

What the hell was mega map?

edit: And was it in their lovely open roadmap/ Gantt charts?

D_Smart posted:

I have completed the blog. It's going live tomorrow, so I have password protected it until then.

http://dereksmart.com/2016/12/star-citizen-irreconcilable-differences/

quote:

None of this matters anyway; the game is never getting finished

nerdz posted:

It's the length of their gantt charts

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/StarCitizenRSI/status/814086205319114752

quote:

Your ticket (#nnn) has been escalated to our Tier 2 eCommerce team who will be in contact as soon as possible to address your issue.

MeLKoR posted:

Yeah, that must be why they're ending the segment.





CIG why you pay Wulf and you no pay me?

Tippis posted:

To be fair, he's saying that CryEngine and Lumberyard have regular levels, whereas StarEngine just have that one singular generic space around the player that new objects are placed into on the fly.

SelenicMartian posted:

And this is how you spell scam in Alienese

Xaerael posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6tWxM_d0o
As an expert in GleepGlop linguistics, I can confirm that text reads "Get a Refund"

Nicholas posted:

SelenicMartian posted:

The linguist in me is almost tempted to watch this atv instead of scanning it for gifs. Maybe later.

CrazyLoon posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIlnsP6AjP8

TrustmeImLegit posted:

We watched the same video, but through a different lens. A large portion of this thread is literally impossible to please. You are just quite vocal. It doesn't matter one tiny bit what is shown, said, or played, you will always, always want more.

Unfortunately it's to the point of absurdity. You all complain so much about not getting enough detail or insight, but don't realize that the more detailed the information we get is, the less people understand it.

CR even shows an example of this cargo thing in a big demo reveal, but you'll see people on here complaining as if he literally said nothing whatsoever about cargo/cargo missions. It's honestly astounding and disappointing. I've seen people on here have poo poo explained to them in simple terms like that, but then ask how the gently caress it's done in-game. Like.. poo poo dude, do you want a programmer/designer/whatever the hell job-guy to literally sit down and show you how to use his 3-D modelling program, or how to use his scripting program? Sorry, but unless you went to college for that poo poo or learned it over time (which is maybe .05% of this thread), you're not going to know what the hell is going on anyways.

I just don't even get it man.

TrustmeImLegit posted:

Honestly I agree. Most AAA stuff isn't great. I'm thinking SC will be able to either redefine what it means to be AAA or just straight up call it the first AAAA game.

AP posted:

EXPECTED RESULT
You successfully walk forwards.
The game should have started.
All objects in FOV should be seen
Expect to operate Pilot controls normally when 2nd crew member is seated
Normal reload animation with no magazines left floating in the air and no magazine missing from the gun meanwhile.
When I quantum travel back to Port Olisar the ring should not be floating next to the station.
Targeting should make sense - not flick an array of players based on no priority. There should be an option to target enemys nearest to you or ones you are looking at - and next hostile target should toggle through the enemy in proximity order, not random order.
To aim with gimbals i need to have a pip
That white box should not be there. I think there might be a missing art asset.
Since we dont have rocket launcher or something to kill an ship from EVA, there should be an armistice zone. But if we have rocket launcher it will be ok because we will be able to take an secret exit and counter attack
The ship should stay where it is.
To shoot freely without inflicting self-damage
The asteroid to block gun fire.
Game does not crash.
I expected the ship to move forward when I apply throttle, but all I can do is pitch and yaw.
No idea, perhaps add an extra layer of whatever invisible wall normally blocks passage?
If a player has used their last respawn and have none left, if the respawn message simply went away, they would know they don't have any left.
An expected result would be a normal stair without texture/wall overlapping (and also a the "finished" wall at deck 3)
weapons should fire normally regardless of flight mode or camera view
For all NPCs to be engaging in dogfight maneuvers.
Not to have a locked camera.
I should see a door
Ship remains intact when manoeuvring and not crashing
The shop keeper should sit in his shop.
The ship should have 0% visual damage when spawned
get a normal standing in the elevator when it is going up
The character isn't holding a weapon and the normal jumping animation should be triggered instead.
The match should start on the first try, as I am connected with the proper authorization.
Game should have continued as normal. Possibly even lose some frame rate at first.
I expect ships that are not purchased with REC to show up in all areas of the game.
Success on EVA.
Chat showing.
Boarding deaths should have nothing to do with crimestats.
shields come on line in alignment with ship profile
able to use screens, select refuelling options etc in 3rd person, or be able to get back into first person view.
The ship should barely move when *touched* by a human's worth of mass.
fire weapons with no issue's
The main thrusters would move
Flight controls should remain consistent, and not fade with use.
Player geometry should not have been able to move through the floor and I should not have been able to interact with it
Open hanger, all items there. I have cancelled my subscription until this gets resolved as I PAID for some of the missing items.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neNlBtD2pi4&t=45s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u08LWMy1HVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BszVeyA5Rg

Chunjee posted:

Here we go again. Round 2:

https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/823942522934177792

Kosumo posted:

Typical statements from people that don't understand game development.

Have they ever directed members of Hollywood A-list?

You can't just buy that, you have to earn that with talent and respect.

They probably don't even own cars, let alone performace ones. Bet they take a bus to work.

Chumps.

Chunjee posted:

Oops forgot one. And yes you can see someone leave the office on a bike. What a noobie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8FfDskw4Q&t=1360s
"We tried to figure out how fast we can do things. So we can project out how long; say we have 108 different areas we need to make in this game; how long is that going to take us? Is that going to take us into 2018?"

[4 years to get one essential feature] x [5 remaining features] = 20 more years
alternatively
[4 years] / [35 flyable ships] = [1.37 months per ship] x [42 remaining ships*] = 4.8 years to convert all jpegs to 3D

* subject to more concept sales