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KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008



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Results

TLC Match for the WWE Championship
AJ Styles defeated Dean Ambrose when James Ellsworth tossed Ambrose off a ladder and through tables on the outside.

Chairs Match
Baron Corbin defeated Kalisto.

WWE Smackdown Women's Championship Tables Match
Alexa Bliss defeated Becky Lynch to become the new women's champion.

Ladder Match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship
The Miz(c) defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the title.

No DQ Match
Nikki Bella defeated Carmella. Carmella said it was Natalya who attacked Nikki at Survivor Series after the match.

Smackdown Tag Team Title Match
Bray Wyatt and Randy Orton defeated Slater and Rhyno to become the new tag team champions.

Pre Show Kick Off Match
American Alpha, Hype Bros, and Apollo Crews defeated Ascension, Vaudevillains, and Curt Hawkins

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IN 2 WEEKS YA'LL!!!

WWE Universal Championship Match
Kevin Owens(c) vs. Roman Reigns

THE FEUD THAT NEVER ENDS IN THE MATCH THAT NEVER ENDS: IRON MAN MATCH FOR RAW WOMEN'S TITLE
SASHA BANKS(C) VS. CHARLOTTE

A Match Kevin Owens Made
Chris Jericho vs. Seth Rollins

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Last Week's Smackdown Results from Observer

Renee Young, wearing a leather jacket, greeted us in the ring for a Women’s championship contract signing and introduced both women. The SmackDown set is filled with chairs and ladders and tables. Bliss kicked Renee out of the ring and insulted her fashion sense. She called Lynch’s successful title defense dumb Irish luck.

Lynch said Bliss reminded her of her 4 year old cousin because she’s obsessed with glitter and complains a lot. Lynch signed the contract while Bliss mocked her for trying to be a role model. Lynch reminded Bliss she had a headline match at WrestleMania, was SmackDown’s first women’s pick, and the champion, while Bliss has actually accomplished nothing.

Bliss acted like she was about to puke because Lynch makes her sick and said she would pour ice water on Becky’s hot fire. Bliss signed the contract while mocking Lynch’s speech and said she grew up on a potato farm. Lynch attacked her and set up a table for an Exploder off the top, but Bliss fought her off and pushed Lynch through the table.

They announced Ambrose Asylum with guest James Ellsworth for tonight.

Dolph Ziggler & Kalisto defeated Baron Corbin & The Miz (w/Maryse) via DQ

They went to commercial like 30 seconds into the match. Corbin took control immediately on Ziggler and sent him to the outside. Miz tried tossing him into a ladder for some reason, but Ziggler countered into a jumping DDT. Corbin tried to attack him too, but Ziggler countered and hit a superkick. Kalisto made the hot tag and ran wild on Miz.

Miz cut him off with a big boot and attacked Ziggler (not the legal man) outside the ring, launching him into the barricade. Kalisto hit a suicide dive on Corbin, Miz tossed Kalisto back in the ring, Maryse dumped the ladder on Ziggler, and Kalisto hit the Salida Del Sol on Miz. Kalisto had Miz pinned, but Corbin hit him with a chair for the DQ.

They mentioned earlier that it was JBL’s 50th birthday.

American Alpha were getting ready backstage when Dasha Fuentes asked if they were ready for the unpredictable Wyatts. They quipped that Jason Jordan can make the Wyatts levitate with suplexes and Chad Gable could make their lights go out. All Jordan and Gable care about are the tag titles and they claimed to be the top team on SmackDown. They finished by saying the Wyatts better run.

Elsewhere, Bray was about to deliver a message to American Alpha, but Orton delivered the message instead. Basically, he said they would do what it takes and asked Luke Harper if he was willing to do the same. Bray told Harper to take care of Kane tonight.

Carmella came to the ring for a match but first, she had a message for Nikki Bella’s boyfriend, John Cena. She wanted to apologize to Cena because she was going to hit Nikki in her chest so hard with a chair that her “Bella twins” would pop out. She said some other stuff when Nikki ran out (to her music). She wildly attacked Carmella until the referee held her off long enough for Carmella to escape. This was dumb.

They aired a video package of Ellsworth’s ladder match victory over AJ Styles last week.

Ambrose Asylum with James Ellsworth

Ambrose has the same cheesy set as before, minus a plant. He introduced Ellsworth and people chanted his name. His t-shirt is too big. Ambrose told Ellsworth he needs new boots, and asked if he ever imagined being here. Ellsworth said he couldn’t have imagined this 6 months ago, but he kept coming back and now he’s a WWE superstar.

Ellsworth thanked Ambrose and would do anything he needed. Ambrose struggled to come up with a compliment, but concluded that Ellsworth must have good karma from a previous life. He also figured Ellsworth could thank him by washing his car or picking him up a 6-pack. Ambrose moved on and asked who Ellsworth was rooting for this Sunday. Ellsworth said it would be on honour to face Ambrose, but he has beaten AJ Styles three times. That brought out Styles.

Styles basically said this segment sucked. Styles said Ambrose would be better off with a ventriloquist’s dummy and at least the dummy has a chin. Ambrose informed Styles he lost to this dummy three times. Styles flipped his wig and said it was all Ambrose’s fault. Styles demanded respect from Ambrose, and if he didn’t get it, he would beat it out of him. Styles said he would finish Ellsworth after he destroys Ambrose.

Ambrose said championships are won with the mind as the crowd loudly chanted “AJ Styles.” Ambrose blew through it, got in Styles’s face, and said Styles would be looking up at him as he takes the WWE Championship. Styles pushed Ellsworth into Ambrose who fell into the ladder. Styles then dropped the steel steps on Ambrose. Ellsworth stood up to Styles, but Styles just knocked him down easily and dropped a ladder on him.

Ellsworth managed to find himself leaning upside down against the side of the ring, so Styles cracked him over the back with a chair. Styles then gave Ellsworth a Styles Clash off the steel steps and onto the floor, which looked scary as hell. The referees tended to Ellsworth, who is already dead. This wasn’t much of a segment until the very end.

Paramedics took Ellsworth out on a stretcher. After a break, they wheeled him into an ambulance. Ambrose was with them, and admitted this was his fault. He said he would fix this.

Kane defeated Luke Harper

This was the second match of the show. The previous one ended over 45 minutes ago. As usual, they went to break quickly into the match. Harper was in control and the crowd chanted “Let’s go Kane.” Kane made a comeback in slow motion, including clotheslines and a sidewalk slam. Harper cut him off with a dropkick, but Kane came back with a powerbomb for two. Kane missed a flying clothesline and Harper hit a superkick for a nearfall. Kane hit a superplex and each guy traded strikes, but Kane got the better of it and hit a weak-looking chokeslam for the win. About a 10 minute match and it wasn’t good.

The voiceover guy read an ad for Roadblock. The graphic read “Roadblock: End of the Line,” but he only said “Roadblock.”

Backstage, Renee caught up with Becky Lynch who was icing her back. Lynch said she has a spine bruise but would defend her title no matter what. Renee informed her that Bliss has challenged her a tables match. An emotional Lynch said she didn’t care what the match was and would get her revenge on “that little bitch.” Renee was stunned. This was good.

Tag Team Titles Number One Contenders Match: Bray Wyatt & Randy Orton defeated American Alpha

Heath Slater and Rhyno watched from the back. Rhyno was eating chips. Not that it matters, but Jordan doesn’t look so big standing next to Randy Orton. Jordan had the better of his opponents for a while until Bray cut him off. They worked him over until Gable hit a blind tag and nailed Orton with a crossbody. Gable then applied an armbar over the ropes, but after letting go, Bray knocked him off the top to the outside.

The heels worked over Gable after a break. Bray tossing Gable around was quite a bit of fun. The crowd chanted “RKO” during Orton’s turn, presumably to get him back on the good side. Orton hit a beautiful superplex, leading to both sides tagging out.

Jordan made the hot tag and tossed Bray around, including hitting an overhead belly-to-belly. Gable took out Orton with a cannonball outside the ring and Bray nailed Jordan with a running body block. Jordan hit a German suplex and fired up, but the lights went out and Luke Harper appeared.

Bray grabbed Jordan for a Sister Abigail, but Gable blocked it. They set up for Grand Amplitude, but Orton popped in the ring and nailed Gable with an RKO. Bray dodged a running shoulder block from Jordan and hit Sister Abigail for the win. Really good match that went about 16 minutes.

Fuentes caught up to Slater and Rhyno backstage and asked how they would get ready for the Wyatts. Slater said the Wyatts need to get ready for them. Styles interrupted and said nobody cared about them. Rhyno crumbled up his chips and got in Styles face. Styles seemed amused until Ambrose suddenly ran in and wildly attacked him. Slater and Rhyno cheered on Ambrose who beat the crap out of Styles as the show went off the air.

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Raw Results

The show started with Rollins coming out saying he wants HHH. He took credit for putting together the Shield, and when the time was right it was time to dismantle the Shield. He learned about the consequences your choices can create. HHH chose Owens, and when he gave Jericho a pedigree last week, that was a message to HHH. Rollins said he wanted to call out HHH, but that's not how things work. So he had to send a message to HHH, and the best way to send a message to HHH is to beat Owens.

Owens interrupted him. Rollins asked about Jericho, then asked about Owens' friendship with Jericho. Owens admitted to having a fight with Jericho, which Rollins snickered over. Owens said sometimes friends fight, but Rollins wouldn't know that because Rollins doesn't know that because he stabbed his brothers in the Shield in the back. Rollins asked if Jericho had returned Owens' text messages during the week.

Owens said they were both busy and he got Jericho three Christmas gifts. Rollins said that may be enough times to compensate the amount of times that Jericho has saved Owens from losing the Universal championship. That set Owens off, saying he was a fighting champion and the only reason he lost to Reigns last week was because of what Rollins did to Jericho.

Rollins challenged Owens to a championship bout tonight, but Owens said he beat Rollins in a title bout two weeks ago and he's already slated to wrestle Zayn. Owens said he talked to Stephanie McMahon tonight and arranged for Jericho to face Reigns tonight for the U.S. Championship, which was his first present to Jericho. The second gift was that Jericho was going to face Rollins at Roadblock. And the third present was Rollins having to face a surprise opponent tonight. Out walked the Big Show, down about 80 pounds from his last Raw appearance.

Seth Rollins defeated The Big Show by countout (4:35)

Owens was at ringside screaming orders to Show, who looked irritated at him Rollins hit two springboard knees, then came off the top rope with another. Then Rollins attempted the pedigree, but Owens distracted him. Show backdropped Rollins, then Owens jumped on the apron ordering Show to finish him. Instead, Show grabbed Owens and choke slammed him. Show told Rollins to do what he wanted to Owens and walked out. Rollins gave Owens a pedigree.

They aired a personality profile on Jack Gallagher, who will debut tonight.

They promoted this week's Saturday Night Live with John Cena as host.

Jack Gallagher defeated Ariya Daivari (2:42)

Gallagher used a head butt against Ariva Daivari's chest, then pinned him with a running dropkick. Gallagher offered to shake Daivari's hand, which he did. But Daivari kick Gallagher's left knee, gave him a chop block, then stomped on it for good measure.

Titus O'Neal handed out flyers to various people promoting the "Tussle in Texas."

A preview for Total Divas showed Paige with Summer Rae murmuring that Paige has missed several "live events" lately.

Owens walked up to Mick Foley upset about having a match with Zayn after taking a Pedigree from Rollins. Owens said if Stephanie was here, it wouldn't be happening. Foley said Stephanie wasn't here and his match with Zayn was taking place tonight. Then Owens saw Jericho, who looked disinterested in Owens' plight. Owens told him about the gifts he got Jericho, including the U.S. title match with Reigns and his match against Rollins at Roadblock. Owens wanted to see if they were good. Jericho said "We aren't good."

Enzo Amore and Big Cass talked backstage when he saw Rusev talking down to Lana. Enzo wanted to intervene, though Cass tried to stop him. Enzo went anyway, but Lana said he was just trying to help. Rusev called her pathetic and maybe she deserved Enzo. Lana took off her wedding ring and asked if Rusev knew what this means. He said "It means your my wife." She threw the ring down. Enzo told Cass to go on home and put the plate on the stove, he would be home later. Enzo tried to sweet talk Lana.

Later, Lana said she felt Rusev took her for granted. Lana said Rusev should be taught for lesson and invited Enzo to her hotel room and muttered soemthing in Russian that Enzo didn't understand.

WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens defeated Sami Zayn in a nontitle match (11:58)

Owens did a flip tope on Zayn, but within 30 seconds Zayn had recovered and delivered his own somersault tope onto Owens. Then Zayn pulled off a tornado DDT on the apron. Owens rolled out of the ring, but Zayn stepped outside, as well, and jumped through the ropes for another Tornado DDT. Zayn did the Kenta Kobashi half-nelson German suplex for a near fall. Zayn attempted a superplex, but Owens caught the swinging fisherman's buster off the top rope. Owens came back with two cannonball and attempted the package piledriver, but Zayn stopped him for another tornado DDT, followed by the exploder suplex into the corner and a Blue Thunder driver for a near fall. Zayn delivered another exploder suplex onto the floor, rolled Owens into the ring. Zayn ran at Owens, who caught him for the Pop-Up Power Bomb for the pin.

Reigns walked into Jericho's locker room. Reigns thought he saw car paint on Jericho's forehead, which Jericho denied. Reigns told Jericho to get focused because they have a match tonight. Jericho said Reigns had gotten lucky lately, but tonight Jericho might be the lucky one. Reigns said maybe Jericho was doing Owens' dirty work again. Jericho pondered that one.

The Rock was shown on the cover of Sports Illusrated. Interestingly, they didn't mentioned that "Moana," the latest Disney film where Rock voices the lead male character, was the #1 movie at the box office for the 2nd straight weekend.

Charly Caruso did an interview with Banks backstage. Banks, who sounded hoarse, said the match took everything out of her. She walked into Charlotte's kingdom and walked out with the crown. Banks said Charlotte doesn't deserve to live under Ric Flair's legacy, she said Flair deserves better. She admitted that Charlotte brings out the best in her so she can't wait to do it again. Caruso brought up Charlotte's tweet for a rematch. Banks challenged Charlotte to an Ironman match because there's only one Ironwoman on Raw, and it's her.

Very good profile piece on Swann. He talked about his father dying when he was 12 years old, his mother passing at 16. He felt like he was never supposed to make it to the top, but he did. His voice played over highlights of his title victory against Kendrick. His postmatch interview included Swann thanking his mother. Kendrick faces Swann for the cruiserweight championship tomorrow on the 2nd episode of 205 Live.

WWE Cruiserweight Champion Rich Swann defeated T.J. Perkins in a nontitle match (5:52)

T.J. Perkins and Swann exchaned dabs after hot moves. Swann used Rolling Thunder for a near fall. Perkins dropkicked the legs out from underneath Swann, then tied him up to the tree of woe for a baseball slide. Perkins went for the Kneebar, but Swann turned it into a pinning combination for another two count. Perkins ran off the ropes for a drop kick, then bounced to the top rope and jumped, but Swann caught him with the Spin Kick to finish him off.

Bayley defeated Alicia Fox (2:23)

The background of this match is Bayley has a new gimmick where she throws out "Bayley Bears." The announcers explained that Bayley tried to give a Bayley Bear to Cedric Alexander, who Alicia Fox has a crush on. So Fox thought Bayley was trying to move in on Alexander when Bayley was really just trying to be friendly. Bayley blocked a clothesline and pinned Fox with a Bayley-to-belly suplex.

Enzo walked up to Cass elated about Lana inviting him to her room. Cass tried to warn him, but Enzo received a text message from Lana showing her nude from the neck up. Enzo took off running. At that point, Rusev walked up to Cass and demanded to know where his wife was. Enzo said he didn't know and turned his back on him. Rusev got mad and challenged Cass to face him in the ring tonight.

Mark Henry defeated Titus O'Neal (:25)

The announcers built this up like it was a battle of titans, including a tale of the tape graphic. So Mark Henry pinned O'Neal with the World's Strongest Slam. As a clear dig at Jim Ross, Michael Cole said "that's usually what happens when Texas meets OU on the gridiron."

Enzo was on his cell phone with an Uber driver who got lost. Then a limo pulled up and Flair got out. Enzo explained his situation and let Enzo use his limo to meet Lana.

Jericho was on his way to the ring when Owens stopped him. Owens told him he was there to make sure there was no injustice when Jericho told him to stop. He told Owens he didn't need him to win, to stay out of his business and to stay away from him.

U.S. Champion Roman Reigns defeated Chris Jericho to retain the title (12:51)

Jericho escaped an early attempt at Reigns' Superman punch and later did a plancha. Jericho barked at the fans, but there were clear babyface spots during the match. Jericho nailed his running springboard dropkick, but missed another dropkick dive through the ropes, and Reigns responded with the Drive By. He went for the Superman's Punch, but Jericho caught him with an elbow followed by the Lionsault for two. Reigns caught Jericho with a Samoan Drop, followed by the Superman's Punch for a good near fall. Regins attempted the Spear, but Jericho kicked him. Jericho went for the Code Breaker, but Reigns caught him for a Liger bomb for another two count. Reigns missed a shoulder block and hit the post, and jericho followed with a schoolboy cradle for a two count.

Great series where Jericho went for the Walls of Jericho, but Reigns countered it into a small package for a two count. Jericho scored a double leg and sinched in the Walls of Jericho to a big pop. Reigns made the ropes, but Owens ran out to give Reigns a superkick. Reigns walked right into Jericho's codebreaker for a great near fall. Jericho started arguing with Owens about coming out and ordered him to leave. Owens walked out looking withdrawn. Reigns went for a spear but Jericho leap frogged him. Jericho bounced off the ropes but Reigns hit the spear for the pin to end a great match.

Cass came out for his match with Rusev. Of course, there was no Rusev to be found in the building. As Rusev's music played, it dawned on Cass that Enzo had been set up for a trap. Cass grabbed the timekeeper's cell phone.

The scene shifted to the hotel room, where Enzo's phone rang, but he hit ignore because he was ready to get busy. Lana met him in lingere, but Enzo said it wasn't a good idea. Enzo went inside the room and Lana hugged him, but Enzo said he was really uncomfortable. Lana leaned over to pick up a napkin that she intentionally dropped, then tried to seduce Enzo further by stipping off his tank top. Enzo said he had to go, but she started to remove her lingere. Enzo asked her to stop, but she asked him to take off his pants. He complied. She told him something in Russian. He asked what she said. She said "You're a fool."

Rusev walked into the room. Enzo said he wasn't into this type of thing and tried to leave. He was outsmarted AND then tried to run away. Of course, Rusev rag dolled him, throwing him onto a sofa, then tossing him through a table. Rusev threw a lightstand on Enzo and knocked him out by throwing him into a wall. Rusev wasn't done, tossing him into the bar and smashed a flower vase over his head. Rusev dragged Enzo out of the room and left him for dad, then walked back into the room with Lana, who hung the "Do not disturb" sign on the doorknob. Enzo sold like it like he had been beaten to death. Oddly, the announcers never mentioned Enzo nearly getting killed for the rest of the show, even though a worldwide audience had just seen a man get assaulted in a hotel room. It was like 1999 Nitro and Flair had just been left for dead in a field by the NWO, only for a farmer to pick him up and bring him back to the building so Flair could get beaten up by the NWO some more. And Tony Schivaone was forced to wonder what happened to Flair.

Survivor Series 2017 will be in Houston.

The New Day was at ringside for the number one contender's tag team match. As Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson came out, Kofi Kingston lip-synched their entrance song. The story is the New Day will become the longest-reigning WWE Tag Team Champions in history at midnight next Monday and the winner of the Gallows-Anderson/Cesaro-Sheamus match would get the title shot.

Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson went to a no contest with Sheamus and Cesaro (10:01)

Gallows and Anderson went for the Magic Killer on Cesaro, but Sheamus broke it up and Cesaro spun Anderson into a DDT. Sheamus gave Anderson the Rolling Senton while landing on top of Gallows. Sheamus teased White Noise, but Anderson kicked him off. Cesaro tagged in for a crossbody block on Anderson, followed by a springboad uppercut. Anderson clotheslined Cesaro to the floor, where they landed at the feet of the New Day. It wound up with all three teams brawling with each other. Kingston tried to give Cesaro and Sheamus a flip tope, but Sheamus and Cesaro caught him and threw him onto Xavier Woods and Big E.

It was announced that New Day will defend the tag team titles against Anderson & Gallows and Sheamus & Cesao in a three-way next week.

The Charlotte-Banks Ironman match for Roadblock is official. It's a 30-minute Ironman match for the Raw Women's Championship.

Charlotte came out for the apology to her father. Charlotte, looking stonefaced, apologized for what she said to her father last May. They replayed the scene for a third time. Charlotte said when she lost her championship last Monday, it was hard. The WWE means everything to her and the title means everything to her. Crowd chanted "What" to her. She said it was harder to watch her father raise Banks' hand. It was like Flair was saying "Sasha is the competitor he wishes his daughter to be like." Charlotte said all she ever wanted was for him to be proud of her and no one knew what it was like to be Flair's daughter.

She watched from the crowd and watched Flair raise Banks' hand and it felt like she had failed as her daughter. She claimed not to have seen her father in six months and asked him to come out so she could apologize. Flair looked like he was on the verge of tears walking to the ring. Charlotte smiled as he walked in, but he didn't hug her. She said she was sorry. Crowd chanted "Who's your daddy?" The two hugged.

Then Charlotte slapped him and called him a son of a bitch. She screamed she was his daughter and who was Banks to dedicate her victory to Charlotte's father. Banks ran out, but Charlotte kicked her going under the ropes. Charlotte kneed Banks to the head and threw her into the barricade. Charlotte lifted Banks in a power bomb position, then hoised her into the post. Charlotte screamed to her father that she was the woman. Charlotte dragged a lifeless Banks in front of Flair and told him that was his trophy. Flair was in tears as Charlotte taunted Banks.

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Ostentatious
Sep 29, 2010

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009


tfw you watch raw

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son



E: also was that ending segmwnt as awkward as it sounds.

projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Dec 6, 2016

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

projecthalaxy posted:

E: also was that ending segmwnt as awkward as it sounds.

The only time when Charlotte is a good actress is when she berates Flair. I think she legit hates him.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010
Vince is still really pissed at Rusev/Lana marriage, I guess.

Also, Royal Rumble Women's Championship match will most likely be a 'Custody of Ric Flair' ladder match

BWV
Feb 24, 2005


only one word to describe PSP after that hotel brawl and it's def not SAWFT

DeepDickPizza
Oct 11, 2012

THREE TIME! THREE TIME!
That Raw was exceptionally bad.

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!

KungFu Grip posted:

Mark Henry defeated Titus O'Neal (:25)

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

the dark match after the show was Big Cass vs Rusev

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
Both the Enzo/Lana/Rusev and Charlotte segments were uncomfortable to watch imo

FUCKFACE MORON fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Dec 6, 2016

Robert Plant
Jan 6, 2015

They appear to have next to nothing for Bayley right now and that's amazing

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Ragnarok the Red
Jun 21, 2002
Anything on Raw worth catching a replay of?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

KungFu Grip posted:

Rusev dragged Enzo out of the room and left him for dad

Raw got one of Talking Shop's old sponsors? :aaa:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Ragnarok the Red posted:

Anything on Raw worth catching a replay of?

Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn had a match. Considering the final nature of their big blow-off match from a few months back, you KNOW there must have been an amazing and compelling reason for that to happen!

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ragnarok the Red posted:

Anything on Raw worth catching a replay of?

no

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Robert Plant posted:

They appear to have next to nothing for Bayley right now and that's amazing

It feels like they have her/Charlotte for the belt at Mania on the mind, which leaves gently caress all in between because there's only 4 other women on the roster, and one of them finally comes back next week

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan
I quit watching RAW halfway through and I'm feeling pretty good about my decisions right now

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

oatgan posted:

the dark match after the show was Big Cass vs Rusev

Rusev hosed Lana then hosed Cass?

WrasslorMonkey
Mar 5, 2012

StarkRavingMad posted:

I quit watching RAW halfway through and I'm feeling pretty good about my decisions right now

:hfive::hf::hfive:

Instead of watching RAW I went to Lawry's for some free meat. Double good night.

ijii
Mar 17, 2007
I'M APPARENTLY GAY AND MY POSTING SUCKS.
I can't believe they replayed the cringey segment with Charlotte telling her dad to don't cry, three times. I couldn't wait for that segment to end back then, and for them to replay it 3 times is absurd.

Also that Lana / Enzo segment was also really cringey that went on way too long.

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





All that Rusev poo poo sounds astoundingly bad. Why are all his loving storylines based around cuckolding?

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP
I'm really confused at the Titus and Mark Henry thing. Why would they throw a dig at JR when Texas has been terrible for like 8 years now and OU is always highly ranked? Also, Titus is from Florida and went to UF, not OU!

Do not even ask
Apr 8, 2008


Vince just has his finger on the pulse of what's hot. Kids LOVE cucks.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values

Robert Plant posted:

They appear to have next to nothing for Bayley right now and that's amazing

Somehow Smackdown has what appears to be an even slimmer roster of women's wrestlers yet is capable of having multiple storylines going on at once with them (Nikki/Carmella, Nikki/Natalya, Alexa/Becky). RAW has 3 hours and is incapable of having any woman storyline besides Charlotte/Sasha forever. Sucks to be a women's wrestler on the B show like Bayley and Nia.

ICR
Dec 31, 2008

So I asked this in the Raw thread figuring it would get an answer since we don't actually watch Raw and just chat instead so:

Do those Vince McMahon hand-picked mega stars like Cena, Reigns, The Rock, etc. ever actually submit in a match? My main question is going back say...15 years, has a superstar of that caliber actually submitted in a match before?

I ask because my family and I were talking after Raw and one of my younger cousins said, "Yeah, when Jericho was going for Walls, I don't get it. Those big stars never, ever tap out and probably never will."

Just got me thinking and makes me discredit those stars whose finishing moves are submissions.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

Dimebags Brain posted:

All that Rusev poo poo sounds astoundingly bad. Why are all his loving storylines based around cuckolding?

Because Vince is still pissed that circumstances did not allow him to destroy Rusev and Lana's relationship nor totally ruin both of their careers for not allowing him to destroy it.

At least this dumb feud makes sense. Enzo was thinking with his dick because Lana is a crazy hot woman, but tried to do the moral thing and back out at the moment of truth because she is another man's wife. Lana wanted to help her husband get Enzo despite his reasons for it being completely petty and stupid, so she concocted and played out this plan because she loves her husband and will do anything for him. Rusev slaughtered the poor guy after making sure his friend wouldn't be there to help, and then went into the hotel room and did what Brock Lesnar woulda done with his woman to really put the exclamation point on it. Everyone's actions fit their characters, made sense, and at least in theory made the heels look powerful and evil while the Face looks noble and sympathetic. Based on what people are saying the execution was awkward and awful, but on paper it looks like good writing if nothing else.

You sure as hell can't say that about any of the other trash in that writeup. Why is Rollins still such a poo poo face? Why is Owens and Jericho's friendship troubles treated like something we should be upset about when they are both cheating scumbag sociopaths (I mean, we are, but the writing shouldn't be acting that way)? Why is Sami Zayn fighting Owens and losing to him to nullify his previous victory and derail his storyline with Braun? What does an Ironman Match stipulation have to do with anything that has happened between Charlotte and Sasha? Why is every other person on the show treading water and doing nothing of any importance?

Raw loving sucks.

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!
I watched like 15 minutes of raw and decided that I'd rather finish watching the last few episodes of westworld instead.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

KungFu Grip posted:

Rusev dragged Enzo out of the room and left him for dad, then walked back into the room with Lana, who hung the "Do not disturb" sign on the doorknob.

That scene took a weird turn.

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The_Rob posted:

I watched like 15 minutes of raw and decided that I'd rather finish watching the last few episodes of westworld instead.

A good decision.

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP
I almost turned on Raw but then played Witcher 3 and went grocery shopping instead.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

SUN GOD AVATAR posted:

So I asked this in the Raw thread figuring it would get an answer since we don't actually watch Raw and just chat instead so:

Do those Vince McMahon hand-picked mega stars like Cena, Reigns, The Rock, etc. ever actually submit in a match? My main question is going back say...15 years, has a superstar of that caliber actually submitted in a match before?

I ask because my family and I were talking after Raw and one of my younger cousins said, "Yeah, when Jericho was going for Walls, I don't get it. Those big stars never, ever tap out and probably never will."

Just got me thinking and makes me discredit those stars whose finishing moves are submissions.

Vince probably sees tapping as a greater form of weakness than being pinned.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

I'm afraid... [Grips cap in hands pensively] our good boy got the cut butt.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

SUN GOD AVATAR posted:

So I asked this in the Raw thread figuring it would get an answer since we don't actually watch Raw and just chat instead so:

Do those Vince McMahon hand-picked mega stars like Cena, Reigns, The Rock, etc. ever actually submit in a match? My main question is going back say...15 years, has a superstar of that caliber actually submitted in a match before?

I ask because my family and I were talking after Raw and one of my younger cousins said, "Yeah, when Jericho was going for Walls, I don't get it. Those big stars never, ever tap out and probably never will."

Just got me thinking and makes me discredit those stars whose finishing moves are submissions.

Heels will tap all the time. Faces almost never do once you get to the main event players.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

That Raw sounded like dogshit. Will not watch, no thanks.

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Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

SUN GOD AVATAR posted:

So I asked this in the Raw thread figuring it would get an answer since we don't actually watch Raw and just chat instead so:

Do those Vince McMahon hand-picked mega stars like Cena, Reigns, The Rock, etc. ever actually submit in a match? My main question is going back say...15 years, has a superstar of that caliber actually submitted in a match before?

I ask because my family and I were talking after Raw and one of my younger cousins said, "Yeah, when Jericho was going for Walls, I don't get it. Those big stars never, ever tap out and probably never will."

Just got me thinking and makes me discredit those stars whose finishing moves are submissions.
Top guys have passed out rather than tap since Bret / Austin, maybe even before that

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