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In the recent years, I've noticed that the right-wing has a clearly dominant position when it comes to the use of the internet to sway opinions. Right-wing people are able to form effective brigades to do things like manipulate online polls, negatively review media that disagrees with their views, game systems like Reddit and Google to get right-wing opinions front-page coverage, and more. They also seem to be better at using computers in general, what with the prevalence of bots and DDOSing as tactics used by internet right-wingers. Yet, I haven't noticed any sort of counter-response from the left; nothing is done when, say, alt-right trolls review-bomb a video because it implies that black people are human and not some variety of orc. It's even more perplexing considering that, at least from an educational standpoint, most people trained to do online tech work are liberal. So why does an effective minority in people trained to use computers have such power over social media? SunAndSpring fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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I don't think it's a measure of technical ability or skill, so much as a measure of zealotry and fervent belief. The right wing is more rabid than the left, and thus more aggressive. Plus, liberals have pretty much just sat on their asses for most of modern political history, so doing things isn't really their...thing.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:03
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1) People with money tend to be rightwing so they can finance memes. For example, there was the Oculus Rift guy who got in a lot of trouble because he was funding super racist Pepe memes (seriously, I can't believe I typed that sentence). It doesn't take very many people to do this because of the viral nature of the internet. 2) Right wing people are easier to scam. Fake news content creators have tried to appeal to both rightwing and leftwing people and have consistently found that the right wing is easier to fleece. 3) "Cubicle culture" tends conservative. So the people with the most time to "like" and "spread" the memes are going to want self-reinforcing conservative content.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:06
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SunAndSpring posted:In the recent years, I've noticed that the right-wing has a clearly dominant position when it comes to the use of the internet to sway opinions. Right-wing people are able to form effective brigades to do things like manipulate online polls, negatively review media that disagrees with their views, game systems like Reddit and Google to get right-wing opinions front-page coverage, and more. They also seem to be better at using computers in general, what with the prevalence of bots and DDOSing as tactics used by internet right-wingers. Yet, I haven't noticed any sort of counter-response from the left; nothing is done when, say, alt-right trolls review-bomb a video because it implies that black people are human and not some variety of orc. It isn't actually all that dominant on the Internet. Fascists and quasi-fascists are more visible online because anonymity allows them to say things they wouldn't in real life (the same is true of other fringe political opinions to an extent), but they're a still a minority. Maybe they make up the majority in certain spaces (like comments sections beneath news stories), but that's usually because people who aren't far-right are more likely to have given up on those spaces as a waste of time, energy, and sanity. Also, just as there are fewer far-rightists online than you think, there are more of them off-line than you think, as recent elections in several countries suggest. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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I don't mean this as a sweeping answer to your question, but a huge part of the problem is claiming that an idea, just because it's bigoted or stereotypical related to the right, creates this illusion that there simply a "team 1" and "team 2." I figure most of us have very leftist-friends (and ourselves) who we would easily identify as "far left." But that doesn't mean they couldn't have a belief in any of the following: Pro-life (Lots of catholics are liberals!) Pro-war and occupation in the middle east. Pro war against North Korea. Pro-bombing North Korea. Anti-Islamic (I know TONS of coastal Leftists who are anti-Islamic while preaching religious tolerance, just as the rights in funny youtube videos do) Distrusting minorities. Wanting tighter immigration. Believe 9-11 was an inside job. Suspicious of gay marriage. Hates the homeless, wants them in prison. Wants weed smokers in prison. Wants any drug users in prison. Hates government handouts. Despises free college. Demand lower taxes for all including corporations. Mens-Rights. This list could go on and on and on. And I know if we thought a bunch about our liberal friends, and especially family, we could see a ton of these ideas being supported in our own lefty social circles (assuming you have are in one.) All the points above don't even equate a "right-leaning" or "right" person. They're just hateful ideas that people of all creeds and class believe in. These ideas are what people are getting behind, right or left. These ideas come from bigotry, ignorance, and in my opinion the giant broken USA class system. edit: I really feel like I see a lot of people, particularly here, really banging their head about the "right" problem. But the hate is all around us, and a lot of it is in us. edit edit: and I understand that we can say "oh but hey maybe most rights/Republicans believe in these things!!!" but do we see the similarities in beliefs across political parties, or within class and other institutionalized groups. Also only 2% of Americans don't have access to internet, as as we all know the older people are most involved in politics and have (gasp) older and outdated ideas and just post post post. Final edit (sorry): The above examples are things I personally are using that are claimed to be "traditionally" right and calling them bigoted reflects on my own personal values - I include them for demonstration on what are some popular ideas that I believe get attributed to being solely "right". Rushi fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dec 18, 2016 20:25
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The far-left is also quite good at using the internet and social media to sway opinions, but we aren't allowed to criticize them in order to not alienate them. Anyway, I'm sure the Democratic party will eventually come together for the good of the country when it matters most. Any day now.
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SaTaMaS posted:The far-left is also quite good at using the internet and social media to sway opinions, but we aren't allowed to criticize them in order to not alienate them. Anyway, I'm sure the Democratic party will eventually come together for the good of the country when it matters most. Any day now. I love that "someone might disagree with me on the internet and hurt my feelings and maybe even say something stupid to me" was too much of a mouthful so now people just say "we aren't allowed to criticize [the x]." I can't decide on stormfront, free republic, or even the largest media organization "Fox News" as my sarcastic example of places where you "aren't allowed" to talk bad about the left. (And yes, there are tons of places for the left to trash whoever. There is no shortage of places to trash people on the internet.) Edit: Sorry, as quoted below I said [the left], and did not edit it quickly enough to make my point that I think this idea that "x group" is not "allowing" people to post to me seems quite ridiculous, I'm not really one to agree with "Bernie Bros" but that does not mean they have any power whatsoever to "not allow" me to criticize them if I so felt like it. People disagreeing on private internet forums, including Facebook is not "not allowing" you to think anything. There are plenty of places to criticize the left as there are plenty to criticize the right, gays, blacks, straights, whites, whoever. And that plays into what I said about the point of the opening post. It's not just one group, everyone's splintered and putting each other into groups and then making claims that there freedom of thought is ruined by any-one-of-a-fuckton of internet media outlets (which is the secret cabal uprising one). Rushi fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dec 18, 2016 20:54
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Rushi posted:I love that "someone might disagree with me on the internet and hurt my feelings and maybe even say something stupid to me" was too much of a mouthful so now people just say "we aren't allowed to criticize [the left]." Ever heard of a "Bernie Bro"? They tend to occupy social media threads and enjoy discussing primaries. Edit: You know you can just make a new reply instead of just adding to the first one, right SaTaMaS fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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SunAndSpring posted:In the recent years, I've noticed that the right-wing has a clearly dominant position when it comes to the use of the internet to sway opinions. Right-wing people are able to form effective brigades to do things like manipulate online polls, negatively review media that disagrees with their views, game systems like Reddit and Google to get right-wing opinions front-page coverage, and more. They also seem to be better at using computers in general, what with the prevalence of bots and DDOSing as tactics used by internet right-wingers. Yet, I haven't noticed any sort of counter-response from the left; nothing is done when, say, alt-right trolls review-bomb a video because it implies that black people are human and not some variety of orc. The secret society that controls emojis shapes the world from the shadows. They call themselves The Council For International Progress actually. Here's some footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA8I3dSQfZ4
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Dec 18, 2016 21:23
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Bigotry and personal abuse go hand in hand, personal abuse thrives in unmoderated online spaces, and we now have far-reaching, unmoderated online spaces in a way that didn't exist before.
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Dec 18, 2016 21:29
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Parasite singles. That's a lot of it; upper-middle class to upper class white guys with nothing to do all day looking for somebody to blame.
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Dec 18, 2016 22:06
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Rushi posted:I love that "someone might disagree with me on the internet and hurt my feelings and maybe even say something stupid to me" was too much of a mouthful so now people just say "we aren't allowed to criticize [the x]." Congrats on being incredibly pedantic, but you're still missing the point. The left does have a group that's just as dominant on the internet. Yet the far right was able to translate their dominance into actual power. Could it possibly be because the far right used everything OP described to criticize their opposition and get people riled up to vote, while the far left used the same techniques to criticize their own party and get people discouraged enough to stay home?
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Dec 18, 2016 22:33
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Contrary to the dreams of its early pioneers, the internet is mostly a tool for destruction, not creation.
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SaTaMaS posted:The left does have a group that's just as dominant on the internet. Yet the far right was able to translate their dominance into actual power. Could it possibly be because the far right used everything OP described to criticize their opposition and get people riled up to vote, while the far left used the same techniques to criticize their own party and get people discouraged enough to stay home? The difference between the two is being for something for the left (for LGBT rights, for greater access to healthcare, for expanded voting rights) while the right is against something (against LGBT rights, against regulations, against 'radical islamic terror', against immigration). It's easier to be an antithesis to something as the bar is much lower for success.
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Dec 18, 2016 23:20
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Right wing NEETs have literally nothing to but post poo poo online. Chinese and Japanese internet are also dominated by their own special flavors of right wing shitlordism
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Dec 18, 2016 23:22
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Would I be right in saying that standard corporate apathy to anything that doesn't make them short-term profits is another factor in this? Google, Twitter, and Facebook are noted for being reluctant to do anything about making sure that fascists get removed from their site unless they have considerable monetary pressure to do so. poo poo, Google banning anyone on YouTube associated with the alt-right alone would be a good way to prevent these ideals from spreading. Yet, I've reported dozens of neo-Nazi channels and I don't think a single one has been removed despite them being pretty obviously National Socialists. Hell, one even had swastikas all over his drat background and he's still kicking, last I checked.
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Dec 18, 2016 23:23
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SunAndSpring posted:Would I be right in saying that standard corporate apathy to anything that doesn't make them short-term profits is another factor in this? Google, Twitter, and Facebook are noted for being reluctant to do anything about making sure that fascists get removed from their site unless they have considerable monetary pressure to do so. poo poo, Google banning anyone on YouTube associated with the alt-right alone would be a good way to prevent these ideals from spreading. Yet, I've reported dozens of neo-Nazi channels and I don't think a single one has been removed despite them being pretty obviously National Socialists. Hell, one even had swastikas all over his drat background and he's still kicking, last I checked. yes, because effective moderation involves a significant amount of skilled labor, while just shrugging and ignoring a problem is free in the short term
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Dec 18, 2016 23:25
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Party Plane Jones posted:The difference between the two is being for something for the left (for LGBT rights, for greater access to healthcare, for expanded voting rights) while the right is against something (against LGBT rights, against regulations, against 'radical islamic terror', against immigration). It's easier to be an antithesis to something as the bar is much lower for success. While true, I wouldn't say the actual issues played much of a role in this cynical shitfest of an election cycle
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Dec 18, 2016 23:34
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Shbobdb posted:1) People with money tend to be rightwing so they can finance memes. For example, there was the Oculus Rift guy who got in a lot of trouble because he was funding super racist Pepe memes (seriously, I can't believe I typed that sentence). It doesn't take very many people to do this because of the viral nature of the internet. This is as good of an answer as you're going to get, OP. AFAIK there is no real good evidence for the right wing or the left wing being more prominent on the internet so we're essentually just gonna argue from experience, or extrapolating conclusions from anecdotes. Keep in mind there has been a huge turn against globalization on a worldwide scale, so the internet might just be reflecting that outlook.
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Dec 18, 2016 23:46
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because they organize
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Dec 18, 2016 23:56
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They aren't dominant, left-wing echo chambers do exist. Hell, we're in one (now watch everyone get really mad at me for saying so, proving my point entirely) We just tend to not notice that they exist because we ourselves are left-wing.
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Dec 19, 2016 00:02
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Fojar38 posted:They aren't dominant, left-wing echo chambers do exist. I think the thing to realize is that they aren't dominant they're just really, really god damned loud.
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Dec 19, 2016 00:37
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Like the Tea-Party, right wing spaces on the internet seem influential because their rhetoric is convenient to the rich. As soon as that changes they'll sink back to the level of relevance enjoyed by sonic fan sites and sports article comment sections.
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Dec 19, 2016 00:43
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The left wing on the internet specialises entirely in infighting and eating their own in a never-ending contest to prove who is the most ideologically pure, whereas the internet right wing is interested in little more than getting the black guy out of office and kicking out the immigrants and making America great again. They're all on the same side, and we're just here to show off how smart and noble we are individually, what do you expect to happen?
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Dec 19, 2016 00:53
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ChairMaster posted:The left wing on the internet specialises entirely in infighting and eating their own in a never-ending contest to prove who is the most ideologically pure, whereas the internet right wing is interested in little more than getting the black guy out of office and kicking out the immigrants and making America great again. This made me realize something else; the internet right is intolerant as all hell. They'll happily harass somebody offline and will not let up when they decide to hate somebody. If the alt right gets you in their crosshairs your best bet is to just disconnect and go offline. They are relentless. I really don't see the left doing that. The internet left tries to play more-tolerant-than-thou nonstop. The internet right sees that as a sign of weakness that must be attacked.
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Dec 19, 2016 01:00
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ToxicSlurpee posted:This made me realize something else; the internet right is intolerant as all hell. They'll happily harass somebody offline and will not let up when they decide to hate somebody. If the alt right gets you in their crosshairs your best bet is to just disconnect and go offline. They are relentless. Depends on what you mean by the "internet left"; there at least used to be subcultures that would keep yelling at someone because they said something arguably sexist or whatever years ago, no matter how many times they apologized for it. (The original "SJWs," before right-wingers started using the term to mean anyone who thinks racism and sexism are bad.) That said, I think the people who used to do that sort of thing have mostly grown out of it now. Also, while the original-SJWs occasionally made death threats, the really nasty tactics (SWATTing comes to mind) seem to have been pioneered mainly by the far right.
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Dec 19, 2016 01:15
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Fojar38 posted:They aren't dominant, left-wing echo chambers do exist. I appreciate this new tendency of reactionaries to consider anything that isn't literally calling for black genocide to therefore be self-evidently left-wing. Especially given all of SA's prominent communists were permaed over half a decade ago and those who survived were (and still are) primarily lurkers. Eventually Hitler will be the far-leftist SJWist special snowflake in history because he was kind to animals and didn't just want to gently caress them.
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Dec 19, 2016 01:28
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ToxicSlurpee posted:This made me realize something else; the internet right is intolerant as all hell. They'll happily harass somebody offline and will not let up when they decide to hate somebody. If the alt right gets you in their crosshairs your best bet is to just disconnect and go offline. They are relentless. Yeah this... isn't true. The left's presence on the internet has tended towards dogpiling the gently caress out of people on social media. Way more people have been harassed off the internet due to left-leaning harassment than right-wing... although in the past 3-4 years the balance has certainly shifted towards a stronger right-wing reaction. I say this as someone who has spent many years trying to stop different factions from infighting and work together. What is interesting is what the major cause of splits tends to be on the left these days - the revelation of someone being an abuser or rapist and the fracturing of groups according to those who forgive / stand with them regardless and those who refuse to have anything to do with the prior group. The biggest example is the British Socialist Workers Party where one of the central board was reported to have raped another party member and the rest of the board just circled the wagons and kicked out anyone who supported the victim. Great solidarity guys.  On the right they just high-five the person responsible and carry on as usual.
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Dec 19, 2016 01:34
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It does seem sometimes that without heavy moderation, most internet comment sections regress to ignorance, bigotry and racism as a default state. It's like I'm looking at the default state of humanity before some authority intervenes and orders people to behave otherwise. The only reason Something Awful is a left wing echo chamber instead of right wing is because of lots of heavy-handed moderation, and outright bans for racist comments. A glance at the Leper's Colony for a single day reveals enormous numbers of probations and bans. Even in GBS they'll ban people for outright racism. One reason for this may be because the majority of humanity simply lacks a decent education, yet now has easy access to the internet. Most people don't read books now. Attention spans are at an all-time low. Few people go to college, and few of those who do actually graduate. The high school drop-out rate in the US, for example, is quite high. The more educated someone is, the more respect and understanding they tend to have of other cultures, and the less likely they are to waste a lot of time pointlessly arguing with idiots on the internet.
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Dec 19, 2016 03:02
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Hateful assholes are just more visible online because there's no real social consequences for it. This isn't just a right-wing thing, it's just that the neo-Nazis and MRAs draw more attention because they're willing to engage in prolonged harassment campaigns of someone just because that person said a bad thing about their movement or has a Jewish-sounding last name or whatever (because, again, they're hateful assholes who often have nothing better to do with their lives). Also, the left tends to be more focused on attaining actual change and thus tends to be out there volunteering and stuff rather than wasting their time on pointless poo poo like vote brigading online polls or flooding news article comments sections.
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Shbobdb posted:1) People with money tend to be rightwing so they can finance memes. For example, there was the Oculus Rift guy who got in a lot of trouble because he was funding super racist Pepe memes (seriously, I can't believe I typed that sentence). It doesn't take very many people to do this because of the viral nature of the internet. That's interesting about #3. Any theories to why folks that work in cubicles lean conservative?
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Confounding Factor posted:That's interesting about #3. Any theories to why folks that work in cubicles lean conservative? Upper middle class white people.
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Confounding Factor posted:That's interesting about #3. Any theories to why folks that work in cubicles lean conservative? All white people
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Upper middle class white people. This. Edit: Also this: Peven Stan posted:All white people It's also a trickle down from management (which leans very conservative, especially middle management). It's helpful to have the same politics as your boss if you don't have a union to represent you. Also, that means you can look at conservative websites with less risk. If you are wasting time reading Huffpo, your boss might be concerned about wasting company time reading a gossip site. If you are looking at Drudge Report, well, that is just keeping yourself informed. I've seen that happen with my own eyes. If you have a job with lots of downtime where you are bored and an acceptable outlet for your boredom is rightwing news, guess what you are going to consume? If you consume enough news eventually its message will worm into your brain. Not a cubicle worker but a friend of mine doing field sales in the midwest has nothing on the radio except for talk radio. Her politics have shifted way to the right because she listens to a couple hours of rightwing propaganda every day. I've been trying to get her into podcasts. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Dec 19, 2016 03:31
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Kenzie posted:It does seem sometimes that without heavy moderation, most internet comment sections regress to ignorance, bigotry and racism as a default state. It's like I'm looking at the default state of humanity before some authority intervenes and orders people to behave otherwise. Yes moderation is an essential tool for actual discussion online. I've been reading these forums for a decade now and the maintaining of quality would not be possible without both moderation and the paywall. The paywall is the most important part probably. You have to be a tremendously dedicated rear end in a top hat to keep spending  to say bigoted things to an audience. As for the far right presence online, that is mainly due to zealotry. The left simply doesn't make fanatics in the same numbers as the right, despite likely having a larger share of the population in the U.S. (Easily 55-45, a full 10 point difference). However, fundamentalists and extremists will dedicate stupid amounts of hours to harassing and spreading conservative hate online. Like even hardcore lefties won't go into random, right wing articles/sites and leave troll/inflammatory comments for multiple hours a day. Combine this with the lack of moderation on most of the internet and you can see why far-right screeching is heard far more than it should be online.
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Lack of class consciousness and the tendency to individualize every work/class-related issue. This metastasizes into a general FYGM attitude as cubicle workers age.
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Main Paineframe posted:Hateful assholes are just more visible online because there's no real social consequences for it. This isn't just a right-wing thing, it's just that the neo-Nazis and MRAs draw more attention because they're willing to engage in prolonged harassment campaigns of someone just because that person said a bad thing about their movement or has a Jewish-sounding last name or whatever (because, again, they're hateful assholes who often have nothing better to do with their lives). Also, the left tends to be more focused on attaining actual change and thus tends to be out there volunteering and stuff rather than wasting their time on pointless poo poo like vote brigading online polls or flooding news article comments sections. This is kind of true. 75% of Freshmen in High School finish in four years, if at all and only 30% of the US population above the age of 25 have a Bachelor's degree of any kind. However, that doesn't explain how educated elites like Richard Spencer and Peter Thiel can have extremist right-wing beliefs.
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Some thoughts off the top of my head: 1. Right-wingers don't worry about moral high ground or imaging, [i]because they're convinced they already have it.[/b] So nothing is off-limits, because they're on a crusade to restore righteousness and good in their eyes. 2. Right-wingers favor basic and viscerally appealing solutions. Crime? Shoot it dead, or lock people up and let 'em get raped in the bargain, or just fry 'em dead. Child poverty? Sluts gotta keep their legs closed! Don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em! They like the allure of dominance, the feeling of superiority at cutting Gordian knots rather than untangling them, the smug self-gratification that they have it all figured out and everyone else is just whining trash, and so on. 3. Right-wingers have basic wants. Homos back in the closet, minorities shut the gently caress up or go back to where you came from, poor people just need to try harder and quit relying on handouts, and so on. There are no questions about the dynamics and implications of social and economic privilege between white and minority homosexuality, because all homosexuality is problematic. Questions about systematic racism aren't present, because hey black people, have a double dose of Africa (stereotypes of which serve as a "You could have it so much worse!" example, and also to underscore racist sentiment since "Blacks have a whole continent and look at it now!"). Questions about economic inequality, building a safety net, and the like don't apply. Because poor people are responsible for getting their own share of the pie, and if they haven't, isn't it more obvious they're just not applying themselves hard enough or correctly? So why are we taxed to give welfare checks to these obvious slackers and layabouts? Hence, since right-wingers are already convinced they're correct and everyone else is aberrant, since they already have "simple solutions", and there are no complex problems. Throw in the visceral nature of right-wing thought (wherein if something feels strongly right in the guts, or has a logic that appeals to their seemingly obvious biases), and it becomes easy to coalesce a unified worldview. More than that, while the left-wing suffers from disconnects, disownings, and whatever between adherents to the various beliefs, ideologies, and groups on that side of the aisle, the right-wing view is always skirting and flirting with ever more extreme dogma. Black people are self-entitled complainers -> black people are all criminals -> black people are also anti-white and waiting for a race war -> *running off the cliff* You don't have to be a member of the KKK or a neo-Nazi to regurgiate their explicit views in a less extreme (but still discriminatory and lens-clouded) manner that can compound over time because of unchecked overlap in discussion. Someone farther along or higher up the ladder will drop their views from their bit of the spectrum, and those lower down will nod because it connects to their latent biases and preconceived views. And if someone else is saying it, maybe there's something to it? Anyhow, just my thinking on how right-wing coalescing online works at the roots.
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SunAndSpring posted:In the recent years, I've noticed that the right-wing has a clearly dominant position when it comes to the use of the internet to sway opinions. Right-wing people are able to form effective brigades to do things like manipulate online polls, negatively review media that disagrees with their views, game systems like Reddit and Google to get right-wing opinions front-page coverage, and more. They also seem to be better at using computers in general, what with the prevalence of bots and DDOSing as tactics used by internet right-wingers. Yet, I haven't noticed any sort of counter-response from the left; nothing is done when, say, alt-right trolls review-bomb a video because it implies that black people are human and not some variety of orc. It's pretty easy to convince people you have the right point of view when you have evidence supporting it. People on the left are slowly realising they were wrong about some things, that's all it is.
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why's this even a question? internet leftists habitually retreat to some corner of whatever website they're on and proceed to do nothing but slap at each other over ideological purity, snipe at (but almost never confront) right wingers, and discuss long winded, divorced from reality articles written by guys with weird rear end names that nobody's ever heard of, how long was the thread about that pro-reparations ta-nehisi coates essay? there's a loving thread on here right now that uses the phrase "bete noire" in the title, come on. meanwhile, the_donald was so effective at getting the freshest pepe memes to the front page of reddit that they had to rewrite parts of the site to deal with them. and when you people do leave your holes to confront the neonazi/fascist/whatever name you have for them this week menace the way you come at them is always in the least efficient way possible, like take your posts and write them in the opposite way levels of badness. it's always some whiny screed about how their opinion is racist but the person you're spamming 5000 lines of text at probably has drinks with a mexican and a black guy a few times a month and likes them just fine so why should they listen? this thread itself is full of that godawful "white people" meme. nobody who's not already deeply invested in stupid internet culture knows even understands what you're trying to say. Forceholy posted:However, that doesn't explain how educated elites like Richard Spencer and Peter Thiel can have extremist right-wing beliefs. maybe it's because your opinions are not objectively correct and you can reasonably arrive at different ones despite education and access to information 
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