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The country is full of libs who just can't wait for the society to break down to rape and loot everything. Could have prevented this by not taking away the guns! Also, I love the astartes lodge meeting in the begining. No rank distinction, just the boys and their jokes. I'm still confused about the nuke coup thing. Who did that and why? Did the supposed good guys just learn about it and go "well, at least it will kill the lefties?" I just love how terrified these people are of the lefties, like it was some zombie papist plot.
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JcDent posted:The country is full of libs who just can't wait for the society to break down to rape and loot everything. Could have prevented this by not taking away the guns! The Bull was the one who got all the special forces on board, they were going to rebel and save the country from the election. Adams managed to steal a sub and about fifty nukes, with the intent of starting a nuclear exchange that real Americans would come out on top. They tried to recruit Ben in the prolog but he was content with being a writer. Once everybody found out about the conspiracy, they just kind of said gently caress it it's gotta be better then what we have now. Turbo accelerationism. Also like everything in these books, it's all subject to retcon. The coup particularly as he goes back and bolts more on when he needs an enemy.
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Dec 24, 2016 08:13
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He just hates those landowning aristocrats who haven't worked a day in their lives and get all of their income from inheritance, marriage, or capital gains so much that it makes his blood boil. But don't talk to him about those left wingers. The paradox of the working class conservative.
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Dec 24, 2016 15:08
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The violent reaction they have to traitors is also interesting, in that Imperium of Man looks less severe in their treatment of treason. "This man is my friend" "We found out he's working for the conspiracy to kill all lefties" "I do hate the simpering liberal wiener cucks, BUT I HATE TREASON RRRAAARGH"*tortures former friend for shits and giggles* *shoots friend in the head* "That's what he gets for vaguelly disagreeging with me!" "Should we stop the conspiracy now before it ends the world?" "Eh, nah"
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Guavanaut posted:He just hates those landowning aristocrats who haven't worked a day in their lives and get all of their income from inheritance, marriage, or capital gains so much that it makes his blood boil. It really is odd reading a character whose political position appears to "angry granddad"
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Chapter five This is where he starts traveling. I'm putting the location names in bold in case I decide to map where he goes. quote:She opened her blue eyes and looked at him as they rolled along the parish road. “Where are you taking me?” Fran begins to adjust to her new circumstances. quote:“What is that big ugly thing” They find a house with smoke coming from the chimney. quote:“Stay in the truck,” he told Fran. quote:Ben did not know the man, but had seen him in town a number of times. In his early sixties, the man appeared to be in good health. Ben leaves him, Fran says that’s cold blooded, Ben counters with the old people dying from exposure. quote:You keep harping on that, Ben Rains. What would you have had me do about them?-- Not that it matters at this date.” He takes her back to her house to get clothes, talks about eating dog meat in training. She throws on him. We find out she’s twenty eight. She doesn’t remember Rawhide, but assumes it was violent and ugly. quote:“Let’s be honest with each other, Ben. I don’t like you, and I probably never will like you very much.” Fran convinces him not to drink, he goes to bed sober for the first time in years. She sleeps with him. There’s a sex scene that’s a bit too graphic for comfort but not graphic enough to be fun. This also establishes a very strong dynamic in the series. Women are not just objectified, but actual objects, with no value as a person beyond their status as a real doll. Fran is willing to do nothing to help, but she'll gently caress so it's cool. quote:Despite his feeling toward her, Ben felt a soft prodding of sorrow for the young woman. Her type of person had always bought her way through the world. Now … what would happen to people like that? Ben knew most of them were not survivors. quote:“I just wish everything would go back to the way it used to be. The way it was.” They pick up another gas mask from the sheriff's office. Ben decides he wants a better vehicle. quote:At a dealership, Ben walked around the rucks, finally selecting a demonstrator that had all the equipment he needed, including a CB radio. They head to Jackson quote:As they were turning around, a bullet slammed through the top of the windshield and Fran screamed. He tries to talk, with the hope of getting them to reveal themselves. quote:“Tell the oval office to get out of the truck!” a voice yelled at him. “Give us the woman and you can carry your rear end on outta here.” Ben shoots them, tells Fran to drive while he rides shotgun. She points out that one of the men is hurt, but Ben doesn't care. It's actually really easy to like Fran despite how hard Johnstone worked to make her unlikable. Also the idea of a couple of survivors ambushing people for their women. Winter's coming, food's scare, gotta survive. But first, lets find pussy.
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Guavanaut posted:He just hates those landowning aristocrats who haven't worked a day in their lives and get all of their income from inheritance, marriage, or capital gains so much that it makes his blood boil. I have a mixed opinion of his writings but Corey Robin's book "The Reactionary Mind" would be pro-reading for anyone enjoying this thread. He argues, with some plausibility, that the essence of conservatism is a reactionary and fundamentally aesthetic worldview that celebrates violence and struggle and which often expresses almost as much contempt for the soft and decadent society it wants to save as it does for the leftist hordes it wants to destroy. You can see that manifesting here with the author's fetish for characters who must make hard choices, like torturing their dear friends, or his sympathy for the idea that blowing up American society will ultimately restore some kind of fundamental conservatism that was lost thanks to liberal coddling and decadence. If you think back to the original Red Dawn there's a similar scene where the young protagonists have to execute one of their own for being a collaborator, and while on teh surface it might seem vaguely tragic you can see that really its supposed to be a reflection of how patriotic the protagonists are. "Look how much they love their country! They are willing to morally compromise themselves for the greater good!" Anyway, the conservative contempt for affluent do-gooder liberals who don't really understand the brutality of man and who are themselves secret hypocrites is a very old and longstanding trope. And honestly it has a certain basis in reality even if its blown up into a caricature in cases like this one.
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So how many copies of this awful series ended up selling?
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Party Plane Jones posted:So how many copies of this awful series ended up selling? I honestly don't know, nor have I been able to find out. As far as I can tell unless the publisher chooses to release that information, it stays secret. So the best I can do is guess. He wrote thirty-six of these books and at the end they tried to continue the series with a new author after he died. Many of the books have multiple printings and the cover art has changed three or four times with these printings. In the 90s they weren't that hard to find in a library. You wouldn't find the whole set, but you could expect to find a few. So not enough to get labeled a best seller, but enough to keep the publishing house making money.
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Chapter five part two. He decides to go to the nearest armory. He finds the place abandoned, and breaks into a weapon room. quote:“Found it!” He had discovered the M-16s, but Ben--like many vets--disliked the weapon with an emotion bordering on hatred. He would have loved to have found an old BAR, but those were getting rare. He handed Fran a box, then another box. He stacked several more boxes outside, then climbed out to join her. They banter for a bit. She hates guns, he tells her how it is. quote:Fran? Let me tell you the way it is, baby.” She gazed up at him, taking in the seriousness in his eyes. “Now, you heard that redneck call you a oval office back there, didn’t you?” This goes on for a long time. He may not have scared her, but he’s certainly made me uncomfortable. He finishes by saying he feels responsible for her, and will find a decent place to drop her off. They lay over in Winona, Mississippi. and reach Memphis, Tennessee and pick up people on the CB, several thousand, before finding one worth talking to. quote:It appeared they were occupying about a ten-square-block area and clearing about a block a day, also sending out scouts to search for survivors. Their conversation on the CBs was intelligent, and they, of all the groups Ben monitored, did not use profanity. The base station used channel twenty-five and the call sign of Genesis. Ben decided to take a chance. quote:”Logan” Ben muttered, the mike off. “Of all the people, you have to spare, you have to spare that bastard.” They make it to the center, Fran gets taken in by the women. Ben meets Logan. quote:“Aren’t you terribly nervous with all these big bad guns all over the place?” Ben needled Logan. “How many times have you pissed your pants since you’ve been here, just thinking about all these pistols?” They insult each other for a bit, Ben wins. They decide to hate each other for years. Ben talks to some U.S. Army colonel. Tell’s him he’s going to explore and write a book. He learns that eight cities were hit by nukes. Detroit, Washington, New York, Omaha, Houston, the western part of Missouri, Baltimore, and San Francisco. Then Ben get’s this dropped on him. quote:“What are you going to do with your Rebels?” The chapter wraps up with Fran putting the moves on Logan and Ben moving out of town.
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It's weird, so weird how unnaturally the characters are acting to further the plot. It's like how in Left Behind everyone is railroaded through the requirements to trigger the apocalypse and all that poo poo, but at least in that case it was because of God puppeting the whole world into fulfilling bullshit prophecy conditions so he can kill everyone properly because God is implicitly a legalistic rear end in a top hat and free will is an illusion. But this is just  in how everyone is stiffly lurching to trigger plot point after plot point. 
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Throwing Turtles posted:Also the idea of a couple of survivors ambushing people for their women. Winter's coming, food's scare, gotta survive. But first, lets find pussy. You're not thinking sick enough. If your setting is sufficiently apocalyptic (or just one of those books where the author is sure black people are only not doing this right now because the guiding hand of Whitey is around), the latter turns into a solution for the former when push comes to shove. This came up a lot in TFR's thread about the Brackenverse.
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Yond Cassius posted:You're not thinking sick enough. If your setting is sufficiently apocalyptic (or just one of those books where the author is sure black people are only not doing this right now because the guiding hand of Whitey is around), the latter turns into a solution for the former when push comes to shove. This came up a lot in TFR's thread about the Brackenverse. Also there's been a couple of mentions of Warhammer 40,000 parallels. It never occurred to me but that's the perfect way to describe these books. Warhammer 40k taken completely seriously. Chapter Six quote:So now Ben was alone. He felt her absence more than he would have ever thought although he knew eventually they would have devoured each other with their conflicting personalities. But he missed her, nonetheless. He heads north and it occurs to me that the roads were awfully clear. No big traffic jams where panicked people just ditched their cars. He stops a few times in Missouri and picks up a cassette recorder, cassettes, and a typewriter. He sees a few people, a ten year old who hides, a few people who refuse to answer his calls. He thinks about his project. quote:“Maybe a hundred years from now I’ll be famous.” Ben grinned, speaking aloud. Around Cairo he picks up CB chatter quote:A voice leaped out at him. “Truck jist crossed the bridge.” quote:Ben’s smile was savage, a pulling back of the lips into a snarl. “Sorry to spoil your fun, boys,” he muttered. “But I’m going to see if I can’t rid the world of some human scum.” He notices he has an audience. quote:Several older men and women stood by the side of the road. One of the men held up his hands in a gesture of submission. “Peace, friend,” he said. “We mean you know harm. You’ve rid this town of filth and we thank you for it. We were listening to those heathen talk on our CBs.” I don’t know who these people are suppose to be, but I like to think they had all of the clothes ready so when world war three came they could immediately start cosplaying as the Amish. quote:“ Why didn’t you men arm yourselves and do it?” Ben asked. “Why wait and let someone else risk his life?” He asks what they have been doing, and it turns out they are going block by block burying the dead. He asks about his sister's house and finds out they have already buried her. He moves on, till he reaches his parents house. He finds them dead, and buried them. He buries his sister in Normal. He doesn’t bury the husband because he was a college professor who liked Logan disliked the death penalty. Rolling into Chicago. quote:He heard a lot of “motherfuckers” and “honkies” on the CB, and a lot of what Ben called jive talk. He also heard a lot of “friend of the family bastards, coons, shines, and porch monkeys.” He reaches his brothers town, it’s well patrolled and asks about his brother. quote:“Sure you can go see him, but you’re not leaving once you get in.” Ben’s brother is fully on board with the white power movement. quote:”Protect your home! Hell, Carl, there must be ten million homes standing empty across this country. Take your choice--live in the governor’s mansion if you like.” And they run him out of town as a race traitor. These people follow Khorn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU
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Throwing Turtles posted:He avoids downtown chicago and records the chatter on the CB. He figures there's between 15,000 and 20,000 people here so it’s going to be a big race war. He think’s that they should be putting this all behind him so they can have a wonderful new world. Yeah what's with these people and their weird social and political hangups getting in the way of rebuilding after the apocalypse. Anyway, let me tell you about these loving liberals 
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quote:Why is it, he thought, the scum always seem to survive any tragedy? In the hands of a better writer, this line would just drip with irony.
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quote:Ben’s smile was savage, a pulling back of the lips into a snarl. “Sorry to spoil your fun, boys,” he muttered. “But I’m going to see if I can’t rid the world of some human scum.” I wonder what the difference is between a savage smile and a grim smile.
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King's Duel has one rape militia group, but I never finished reading it, so it might have had more. How is it that nukes are killing off women more stadily than men? I mean, aren't women more numerous? The survivor groups should be more equal, I'd think. And why are those small towns depopulated if they only managed to hit big population centers. There is an old post nuclear war RPG called Tomorrow Project. In the vein of all good old RPGs, it starts with a massively autistic chartaton to calculate what places get hit and by what, and how much radiation remains, and radiation sickness. One weird thing about it is that they include bacteriological ICBMs into the list. Where the soviets seriously deploying biological weapons in missiles? 40k mentions brought to you by JcDent: I basically read nothing else! 
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Seriously, though, what is it with conservative authors and rape? Perhaps it's something of a sampling bias since most of my exposure to them is through let's reads like this, but so far all of them seem to feature rape in a big way.
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I can only assume everyone went on a murderrape rampage in the first ten days and now they've run out of people to murderrape.
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Dec 25, 2016 12:28
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I stand for the Hick-Negron-Wetback's Campaign for Sustainable Rape, which ties into our Millenium Murder Stock Replenishment program 
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It's like the tragedy of the commons but with rape.
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quote:Their conversation on the CBs was intelligent, and they, of all the groups Ben monitored, did not use profanity. quote:“You ever been pronged up the rear end, Fran?”
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"Pronged" is just the dumbest slang term for loving I've ever heard. This guy reads like a tenth grader. Ringo sounds like Faulkner next to these quotes.
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OwlFancier posted:I can only assume everyone went on a murderrape rampage in the first ten days and now they've run out of people to murderrape. Well obviously millions more women got murdered than men because they're weaker or more liberal. Same thing, really.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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I think Ben Raines is awfully well-informed about post apocalyptic survival priorities, especially in regards to rape. Also white loving phosphorus? Seriously?
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I wiki'd no WP smoke rounds for M79, so maybe it's a case of Škoda AKs
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The storyline sounds like it's been ripped straight from the next Fallout game. Ben is the lone wanderer, picking up a few quests here and there before tackling the main quests.
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Wang_Tang posted:The storyline sounds like it's been ripped straight from the next Fallout game. Ben is the lone wanderer, picking up a few quests here and there before tackling the main quests. And just like the stereotypical Fallout player, Ben's got about a hundred terrible rape- and sex-mods installed.
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JcDent posted:Back to guns: glad to see that Beehive Bob is choosing the manly pistol cartridge, the 45 ACP. Only a commie pinko librul would use the much inferior 9mm. I guess this book was released before Rainbow Six, as in that book they used MP5s chambered in 45 ACP (which exist, since MP5 is the AK of SMGs) Rainbow Six used MP5s chambers in 10mm (which did exist); .40 versions also existed but build quality was half-assed because H&K didn't want to sink money into a round the FBI was already moving away from.
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can we not turn this otherwise entertaining thread into a gun circle jerk, thank you.
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So kind of related to all this madness, Chapo Traphouse is doing a reading series of whatever noted conservative gently caress head Ben Shapiro's book is called. And I would say it's in the same genre as this with some how worse writing . https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-68-applebees-christmas-spectacular-feat-kath-barbadoro-122316
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Comrade KomradeX, I just wanted to post that. Also, I grab goons straight by the gun. E: There was a previous reading of something about ACW 2 where Real American Men crushed liberal lesbian wieners
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KomradeX posted:So kind of related to all this madness, Chapo Traphouse is doing a reading series of whatever noted conservative gently caress head Ben Shapiro's book is called. And I would say it's in the same genre as this with some how worse writing . Is this a podcast? What's it about?
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It's the dirtiest leftist podcast out there, so for the last month and a half it has been mostly about slamming Hillary and the DNC for their massive input in Trump's victory. They don't spare anyone in their criticism - even the left - but it's the right and altright assholes that stand out as their targets. Sometimes, they read books by some crackpot or the other. The linked episode has a reading of True Alegiance by a racist rear end in a top hat pundit called Ben Shapiro. It's about halfway in. I don't remember what exactly was it about, even if I listened to it today, so I had to google it. quote:New York Times bestselling author Ben Shapiro’s new novel asks how close are we to our country’s collapse—and will we be able to stop it once it begins? Ah, now I remember. Black people orchestrate police shootings of black kids for shits and giggles.
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