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That'd be fine if he'd just up and asked for it, but the first 15 episodes was just them cleaning up his poo poo.
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subaru's entire arc is about realizing that it's ok to need and to ask people to give him support, and that doing that doesn't make him a miserable excuse for a person, and the fact that people want to "carry" him at all means he has worth to them and should also have worth to himself
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Dec 31, 2016 07:30
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Ranzear posted:That'd be fine if he'd just up and asked for it, but the first 15 episodes was just them cleaning up his poo poo.
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Dec 31, 2016 07:31
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Did we really need six or seven episodes for that? Holy poo poo. Ergo: Subaru is dumb as rocks.
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Dec 31, 2016 07:33
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subaru is a flawed human being
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Dec 31, 2016 07:34
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change on the level he needs is not a switch you flip once and you're done, nor would it be easy considering the stress and mortal danger he's constantly dealing with.
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Dec 31, 2016 07:36
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Ranzear posted:Did we really need six or seven episodes for that? Holy poo poo. It's been over six or seven posts and you still haven't gotten it
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Dec 31, 2016 07:41
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Endorph posted:'how do you know those things?' Yeah, and also, even if something wouldn't result in his heart being squeezed, he's still so terrified of it happening (and he doesn't really know the limit to what triggers it well at this point) that he doesn't want to take the risk.
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Dec 31, 2016 10:13
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Also ya know the bit where he did push through and tell someone and he wasn't the one that got his heart squeezed.
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Dec 31, 2016 11:21
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The amount of composure he shows is quite impressive considering that one of if not the most powerful being in the setting seems incredibly yandere for him. On a more serious note, asking for help can be really difficult, even if you know logically that it makes the most sense.
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I didn't put it in my worse shows, and I didn't put it in my best shows. I just wanted to express that Subaru was a dumbshit for far too long (at least half the series) and I saw no indication that he was getting any smarter. "Let me be your servant" would have been funny and acceptable for one attempt, and then he could try literally anything else on the next round. The whole domestic arc is just to hook him up with Rem, and not even Felix could save the show for me at that point. I'm not a loving imbecile. I get it. He had to learn to ask for help. He could at least have said to himself "poo poo, I died. Maybe let's try something else this time." and gotten a slightly more interesting exploration going on. I hear that this show is not great to binge, and I would agree; that arc was torturous. Maybe it was paced completely differently in the manga. I went over and skimmed the 'best of 2016' thread to see if this was another one of those "You either liked Kabaneri, or you watched Attack on Titan and hated Kabaneri" splits with Konosuba. They fall right together most of the time, so I don't know. hoobajoo posted:A little late on the re:zero talk, but I'ma say what I think anyway. It's not bad, but in not being terrible, it is something worse: bland. It simultaneously is incredibly pandering, but lacks any sense of fun to it. If you're interested in otaku protagonists, groundhog's day style time loops, and isekai, there's so many better shows you could watch for any of those themes.
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Dec 31, 2016 11:44
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konosuba and re:zero have almost nothing in common besides 'guy gets taken to fantasy world' so iunno why you keep making that comparison. One's a broad sex comedy, the other's a fairly serious action thriller. Konosuba's about how being a lovely person doesn't mean you can't enjoy the world around you, Re:Zero's about how a lovely person learns to stop being so lovely.
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Dec 31, 2016 13:56
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They share a basic premise and have wildly different aims. For me, Konosuba is a much more successful take on the premise.
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their premises aren't the same at all tho. konosuba doesn't even have the timeloop aspect that makes re:zero re:zero.
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GorfZaplen posted:It's been over six or seven posts and you still haven't gotten it lol
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Endorph posted:their premises aren't the same at all tho. konosuba doesn't even have the timeloop aspect that makes re:zero re:zero. They are the same premise. NEET goes to a fantasy world is the premise. The time loop aspect is one element of the story built on top of the premise. Just as dragging a stupid goddess with zero pairs of underwear into the fantasy world with you is an element of Konosuba's story. A premise is just the foundation of a story. Sharing a premise doesn't make them similar shows or stories beyond that.
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Dec 31, 2016 14:13
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Josuke Higashikata posted:A premise is just the foundation of a story. Sharing a premise doesn't make them similar shows or stories beyond that.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:They share a basic premise and have wildly different aims. What are you missing here?
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This argument is loving atrocious when you bear in mind that beyond a very very vaguely similar premise the two shows are nothing alike in terms of tone, structure or gimmick. It's ok to like konosuba and not re: Where do sword art online and log horizon fit into this comparison? Should we compare every shounen just to be safe? E: rezero, whatever Namtab fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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Dec 31, 2016 14:36
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Mokinokaro posted:This is me as well (I don't watch many shows per year) and you missed the biggest sin, imo. Macross Delta's worst sin is that not only does the second half spin its wheels the ending doesn't resolve much at all Windermere still wants its war in the end. The entire show only stopped a SUBPLOT.
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Dec 31, 2016 14:53
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Sorta surprised at the Bakuon hate tbh. Not because I disagree with the flaws that were mentioned, but the manga seemed prrrretty much the same? Liking one but not the other just struck me as odd. Anyway, I don't care to rank them, but of all the shows I actually finished these 3 stand out as far worse than the others.
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Dec 31, 2016 15:17
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I'm weird because I got bored with Konosuba three episodes in and have no desire to check out RE: Zero whatsoever, but more power to those who like one or the other
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Dec 31, 2016 15:18
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Josuke Higashikata posted:They are the same premise. NEET goes to a fantasy world is the premise. The time loop aspect is one element of the story built on top of the premise. Just as dragging a stupid goddess with zero pairs of underwear into the fantasy world with you is an element of Konosuba's story. I wouldn't really say that's the (full?) premise of either show. It's just a mostly-interchangeable part of the setting that was included because it's the popular thing to do right now. Neither of the characters ever actually act like NEETs, and the fact they're from another world never matters outside of being an excuse for them being an outsider/not knowing how stuff works (from what I've seen anyway; I've only seen the first few episodes). Maybe it would feel more like one if it didn't fit the large majority of LNs that have been written in recent years, but to me calling that the premise feels like saying the premise of Romeo and Juliet is "two people live in pre-modern Italy."
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Dec 31, 2016 15:28
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I can't believe Romeo & Juliet and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood are identical in every way.
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i think the premise of re:zero is a pretty important part of subaru's character, because it's a pretty big thing that before he ended up in the fantasy world, he kind of wasted every day of his life wallowing in his apartment, and just knowing that is a major source of stress and a cause for the self-hatred that plagues him throughout the story
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I couldn't sympathize with Subaru at all because he was not an interesting character. If that's the point of the first arc or season then hopefully season 2 will be better, if there's going to be one. I remember Kumamiko became more and more painful to watch. I heard the final episode was especially bad so I skipped it.
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The Colonel posted:i think the premise of re:zero is a pretty important part of subaru's character, because it's a pretty big thing that before he ended up in the fantasy world, he kind of wasted every day of his life wallowing in his apartment, and just knowing that is a major source of stress and a cause for the self-hatred that plagues him throughout the story Oh okay, I've only really seen ~the first arc and I don't recall much in the way of that, but I can see it going in that direction. I still don't think I would say "NEET goes to a fantasy world" is an adequate description of the show's premise though. Anyway, to stay more on topic: Kumamiko and Izetta are the only two shows I watched enough of to qualify. Kumamiko took a chill SoL manga and made it really painful to watch by both intensifying and dragging out what were harmless gags in the source, and then straight up adding stuff that was even worse. It was just made worse by the comparison to Flying Witch, the other supernatural Tohoku SoL manga adaption that aired the same season. I actually wonder if they decided to make the changes they did to try and differentiate it some—as the manga both hit pretty much the same niche and Flying Witch kind of does it better—and it just backfired horribly. The ED was really good at least. Izetta wasn't really that bad, but the awkwardly shoehorned in fan service and lazy writing got on my nerves enough to make me drop it. My most avoided would be Mahou Shoujo Nante Mou Ii Desukara, because it had basically the exact same problem as Kumamiko, just apparent from much earlier on. Similar to the Kumamiko author, the creator here made some veiled complaints about the adaptation, which is usually not a good sign.
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z0glin Warchief posted:Oh okay, I've only really seen ~the first arc and I don't recall much in the way of that, but I can see it going in that direction. I still don't think I would say "NEET goes to a fantasy world" is an adequate description of the show's premise though. His NEETness doesn't become readily apparent until the 4th arc, so it depends on whether you want to bash the show for moving too slowly, or applaud it for setting up plot points so far ahead. The anime didn't even adapt it far enough to matter, even if it all makes sense in hindsight.
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Dec 31, 2016 17:48
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Young man does a thing - premise of all Shounen
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Namtab posted:This argument is loving atrocious when you bear in mind that beyond a very very vaguely similar premise the two shows are nothing alike in terms of tone, structure or gimmick. Both are shows where a NEET gets thrown into a fantasy world for loosely justified reasons, turns out to still be a useless waste of space, gets poo poo on by the world, but then gains a harem of girls and magic powers anyway. There are plenty of similarities. Hell I disliked both for a lot of the same reasons. The fact that they differ past that is the point of the comparison. They're trying to make the case that one builds good tone structure and gimmick from the idea and the other doesn't. I still think they were both bad but the structure of the argument is fine.
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Dec 31, 2016 20:17
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subaru gets furiously shat on by everyone except rem until he actually starts being a decent person, and he still doesn't exactly gain a harem of women after that
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Dec 31, 2016 20:24
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If there's a beta male inexplicably surrounded by cutesy anime girls, I'm calling it a harem. Didn't that show turn into like 10 rounds of save-the-waifu? I didn't get very far.
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Dec 31, 2016 20:33
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Then shut your stupid mouth about it.
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i don't think it's a harem if one of the girls actively pushes you far, far away from her, but i guess this is kind of a pointless argument to get into so i'm gonna stop here
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Dec 31, 2016 20:52
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AnacondaHL posted:Young man does a thing - premise of all Shounen 
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Kazuma doesn't really get shat on at all. Everything just ends up going generally okay for him all around. Not that it really matters because saying the two are basically the same when one's a serious drama and the other's a wacky comedy is dumb all around. Like saying Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy is basically the same as Start Wars because it's just an average main character in space.
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Dec 31, 2016 21:13
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I prefer to end wars
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Dec 31, 2016 21:18
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Namtab posted:I prefer to end wars i'm glad to hear we share the same opinions re:life
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Dec 31, 2016 21:24
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end the war on dubbed anime by banning it outright
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Josuke Higashikata posted:end the war on dubbed anime space dandy's dub rules, actually
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