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King Burgundy posted:I'm not seeing anything that really changes my mind on AR. I just saw this but I think I answered it elsewhere - no, if anything, his admitting that he was lying makes me feel more like he's town. I don't think scum would try to make a case based on fake information on D1 (as opposed to, say, hopping on another easy case and hoping not to get noticed). Atomic Soda posted:i don't think pod is suss for pursuing this and will vote. i'm interested that you think this case is weak enough to vote pod for it mmt. Atomic Soda posted:agree it would be good to have pod come back and comment. any town read i have at this stage of the game is very weak i can sssure you. My original case on Pod was based on the fact that he was projecting confidence about AR being scum in a way that felt fake to me. Until very recently he hadn't responded to the case, so it was perfectly reasonable for me to believe that scum-Pod was waiting for pressure to build elsewhere before addressing my case. I'm also now pretty suspicious of AS* - she went from "Pod is not suspicious" to "I'm reserving judgement until Pod posts" when asked to explain her read there. It sounds like a faked opinion to me. *(female pronouns, correct?  )
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Ok all set. I'm cooling on AR but I really don't like how he's approached this game - the 'oh lol I was trying to draw a nk!' gimmick doesn't sit well with me but it DOES make sense as a VT. I agree with Tobbs (I think it was Tobbs that said this?) that a scum AR would be a bit madder about getting so many votes on D1. I want to see what kind of actual casework he can come up with since, if we're being honest, I find his petulance really irritating. Example:Absurd Revolver posted:welp You put no effort in whatsoever other than what you claim were jokeposts and flailing that sucked up attention as a purported VT for most of D1 rather than contributing to genuine scumhunting. Do better. Who do you think the scum are, AR? --- As for others... MMT's push on me feels reasonable for now - her thought process makes sense, given how the AR stuff has evolved. (You're wrong though!) I continue to think Tobbs and Byers' approaches to this game read as genuine, even if Tobbs' attempts to divine the setup are way too early. We'll have much more information on Day 2. I'm fine to table Kash till D2 especially with anti-lurker rules in effect (because hey, he's going to start Day 2 On Notice!) You know whose posting I don't care for? Li Dawny's, OMG's, and Infinitum's. Check their histories out: LD: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803358&userid=198933 Characterized by weak engagement with the AR push where she contradicts herself ("Also, I hate when an AR push begins to make sense because I hate voting for him because he's the bestist, but I will if needed for a lynch or if I truly believe he is scum. Right now I just think it's possible that I share a bed with a trader.") and a vote on Byers for trying to drive the conversation, which I don't agree with at all. The only thing that gives me pause is I've called her out for this before in other games and she's been just lurky town. It's not a slam dunk. OMG: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803358&userid=46140 Piles on the AR case as Tobbs pointed out, and hella OMGUS on Tobbs - the scum call on Tobbs makes no sense whatsoever. Inf: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803358&userid=60088 Tunnels on Tobbs for stupid reasons (which is admittedly a null tell for him) and has otherwise not engaged with this game at all. I'm used to Inf being more active as a town player, so it weirds me out to see him so quiet while all this is going on. Between the three I'd ##vote OMG. Would like to see more from each of them before the day's out. Preview Edit: Let me go reread Atomic Soda, they were a null read for me earlier.
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Hey MMT what did you say your scumtell was at the meetup? I must have missed that, so I'm curious now.
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm also now pretty suspicious of AS* - she went from "Pod is not suspicious" to "I'm reserving judgement until Pod posts" when asked to explain her read there. It sounds like a faked opinion to me. Could you please point out where you got the latter of these two sentiments? I'm not seeing it.
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Hey, Atomic Soda, why did you specifically mention Kash and KB here?Atomic Soda posted:i don't think i agree with you on ar and lil dawney at this stage - little dawney esp. said the idea was a bad one which doesn't fit your read of scum hedging and hoping others claim. it would be more advantageous to say nothing i think.
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Jan 2, 2017 21:47
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Podima posted:Hey MMT what did you say your scumtell was at the meetup? I must have missed that, so I'm curious now. When I'm going through a stressful period in my life*, if I'm town I will put a ton of effort in and be engaged and appreciate the distraction, whereas if I'm scum I'll see it as one more stressful thing to do and miserably limp along until I either mess up or freak/replace out. Admittedly though I like sharing my tells as a way to motivate myself to change them, so make of that what you will. That said I'm gonna be out for awhile but should be around for deadline. *(I have been stranded at my boyfriends moms house without a car for the last four days, including New Years Eve)
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Podima posted:OMG: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803358&userid=46140 yeah, logged in today with the intent to backpedal on that. i worked basically 48 hours straight from the 30th to the 1st minus a couple 2-4 hour nap breaks. I was tired, which magnified my frustration with people not accepting what seemed (and still seems) like a scumslip on AR's part. When I got accused of empty voting i blew my top. In retrospect, yeah, a joke making fun of how flimsy AR's defense felt wasn't clear enough and I can easily see how that came off as an empty vote. I was feeling real punchy because of work & tobbs just ended up in my crosshairs. My "read" on him was bullshit and I can't really argue with it making me look scummy. AR's "theorizing" about scum flavor still pings me badly enough on a reread that I'm not going to unvote, but I am going to check myself and reread the other cases.
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Jan 2, 2017 23:01
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Podima posted:Could you please point out where you got the latter of these two sentiments? I'm not seeing it. On a phone but I was referring to the last AS quote I used. She said she wasn't suspicious of you, I asked why not, and her answer was "it was be good for pod to comment, any town read I have is weak". It makes me feel like the original "I don't find pod suspicious" was an organic opinion.
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Ok, back from work... and no one has commented either way on my stickup case? I'm feeling much like at my high school prom, marginalized, overlooked on the sidelines, and not neither drunk enough.
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Okay, home from work and catching up. I'm still feeling Byers for his(?) continuous pushing on everyone because it feels, to me, like like he's trying to muddy the waters more than clear them.
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Li Dawny posted:Okay, home from work and catching up. I'm still feeling Byers for his(?) continuous pushing on everyone because it feels, to me, like like he's trying to muddy the waters more than clear them. Yeah, his. And I'm not sure how to respond to that casing, honestly.
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Murmur Twin posted:I just saw this but I think I answered it elsewhere - no, if anything, his admitting that he was lying makes me feel more like he's town. I don't think scum would try to make a case based on fake information on D1 (as opposed to, say, hopping on another easy case and hoping not to get noticed). she yes  sneaky sneaky mmt - you where the one who said i had a town read on pod, i was simply correcting your assumption. here is what i said originally (references to pod only) Atomic Soda posted:i went and had a look at pods posts. his ar case is basic sure but is in response to some pretty scummy ar posting. strongest statement there is that pod is not suss to me for pursing an arguement that ar is scum. i don't find him suss for pursing the arguement, cause i can see it too. you say: Murmur Twin posted:Not only did I think the case was weak when other people made it, the fact that your read was basically just reciting the case that had been made on AR makes me suspicious of you as well. my response: Atomic Soda posted:why do you think this case is weak enough for you to vote por? as you say a few people see to be noting the same issues. my only niggle is that ar could just have made a posting fumble, but he's doubled down. now you are saying i'm suss for waffling on pod? from where i am sitting it looks very much like i'm saying i don't find his arguement suspicious and in fact agree with it. you are the one that says this must mean i have a town read on pod, and then using that statement to say i'm waffling when i address your statement in my next post? here is an actual waffle. coming around to ar not being scum, not because i think the case is bad (its as good as any on day 1) but because his more recent posts seem genuine. for now ##unvote ##vote mmt you are being too suspicious also, all my opinions are organic in mafia Podima posted:Hey, Atomic Soda, why did you specifically mention Kash and KB here? because they hadn't really posted yet and i know they can be prolific and helpful posters. plus i'm paranoid of them as scum, so throwing that note out there. pedit: between byers and stickup i'd be more inclined to vote byers at the moment but i'm not sold on either of them frankly
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Jan 3, 2017 01:12
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##vote Podima get fukt nice guy.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:32
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Kashuno posted:##vote Podima get fukt nice guy. Wha...?
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after a reread, outside my current vote, the cases that seem the most compelling to me are dawny against byers and byers against stickup [*]byers voted tobbs because tobbs’ push to have vanilla claim seemed scummy, but retracted it when other people gave meta reads on tobbs sayin nah [*]byers then Byers2142 posted:We're a little over seven hours from deadline, I'd ask everyone to take another look at stickup before we get to the "one hour to deadline, who can we realistic lynch" part of D1. Just as a short tl:dr version of what I'm seeing: [*]dawny voted byers cause she says he’s waffling and not committing to anything, sounds like he’s trying to deliberately steer the conversation nowhere. i am the bird agrees. i think Byers isn't wrong to be unnerved by stickup, and i think dawny is right that byers is waffling, but neither feels like as much of a red flag as this: Absurd Revolver posted:this is scum post, knowing what i know from my own PM Absurd Revolver posted:
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Li Dawny posted:Okay, home from work and catching up. I'm still feeling Byers for his(?) continuous pushing on everyone because it feels, to me, like like he's trying to muddy the waters more than clear them. Who else do you think is scum? Byers has been pretty upfront in his posting and analysis, and this feels like you're not actually reading his posts or the thread at all. --- Also not loving MMT's rephrasing of Atomic Soda's posts, I agree with AS's concerns there - that's why I asked what I did. --- OMG, explain to me why you think that's a scumslip, please?
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Podima posted:OMG, explain to me why you think that's a scumslip, please? I'm not sure I get that, either, didn't scum get fakeclaims?
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Podima posted:OMG, explain to me why you think that's a scumslip, please? Initially, because "scum flavor is this, town flavor is that" just seemed like a ridiculous thing for a townie to say. It was furthered when he was asked to explain and he waffled and gave no reasons beyond repeating himself, then said explaining would be detrimental to town. It feels bogus.
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Podima posted:Who else do you think is scum? Byers has been pretty upfront in his posting and analysis, and this feels like you're not actually reading his posts or the thread at all. He starts with a vote for Tobbs, then a recant as soon as someone disagreed. He didn't even defend his thoughts, just jumped right off the Tobbs push. While jumping off theTobbs push he said he read AR as joke voty, then nine minutes later said AR was one of three scum options. From that he spent a lot of time saying almost nothing and is now voting for Stickup, who was his best bet. I just feel like he's repeating himself in different ways to seem like he's saying more than he is. Also, sorry, Westworld is so good.
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Li Dawny posted:He starts with a vote for Tobbs, then a recant as soon as someone disagreed. He didn't even defend his thoughts, just jumped right off the Tobbs push. While jumping off theTobbs push he said he read AR as joke voty, then nine minutes later said AR was one of three scum options. From that he spent a lot of time saying almost nothing and is now voting for Stickup, who was his best bet. I just feel like he's repeating himself in different ways to seem like he's saying more than he is. Two people disagreed, specifically, on Tobbs, which means at least one person is saying that with no chance of all three being in a team together. There was a good chance on my read being wrong, so I moved off of it. The reason I quoted AR as one of three was separate from the flavor case, which AR himself has said was a jokevote to start that turned serious, so I don't see any cognitive dissonance in those two stances.. And I feel like I've said quite a bit about the game since then, looking at the role/flavor difference once AR got serious and trying to get a handle on people's posts.
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Jan 3, 2017 03:09
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OMGVBFLOL posted:Initially, because "scum flavor is this, town flavor is that" just seemed like a ridiculous thing for a townie to say. It was furthered when he was asked to explain and he waffled and gave no reasons beyond repeating himself, then said explaining would be detrimental to town. It feels bogus. That's not a scumslip. You're just repeating other people's cases. OMG is the vote for today. --- Li Dawny posted:He starts with a vote for Tobbs, then a recant as soon as someone disagreed. He didn't even defend his thoughts, just jumped right off the Tobbs push. While jumping off theTobbs push he said he read AR as joke voty, then nine minutes later said AR was one of three scum options. From that he spent a lot of time saying almost nothing and is now voting for Stickup, who was his best bet. I just feel like he's repeating himself in different ways to seem like he's saying more than he is. I'll ask you again - who else do you think is scum?
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Votecount for Day 1  OMGVBFLOL (3): this is a stickup, Absurd Revolver (3): this is a stickup, Podima, King Burgundy, OMGVBFLOL, Atomic Soda, Podima (2): Murmur Twin, Kashuno Byers2142 (2): i am the bird, Li Dawny this is a stickup (1): Infinitum, OMGVBFLOL, Absurd Revolver, Tobbs Gnawed (1): Infinitum, i am the bird, Byers2142, Murmur Twin (1): Atomic Soda King Burgundy (0): Murmur Twin, Tobbs Gnawed, Not Voting (0): With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 02nd, 2017 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 41 minutes.
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Podima posted:Ok all set. I'm cooling on AR but I really don't like how he's approached this game - the 'oh lol I was trying to draw a nk!' gimmick doesn't sit well with me but it DOES make sense as a VT. I agree with Tobbs (I think it was Tobbs that said this?) that a scum AR would be a bit madder about getting so many votes on D1. I want to see what kind of actual casework he can come up with since, if we're being honest, I find his petulance really irritating. Example: yeah this is the first game in awhile where i've wanted to put effort in, but i'm rusty. fair is fair. i do believe OMG is still the best vote, both for their emotional reaction to the vote against them and how they've defended themselves by attacking others, only to attempt to make some kind of halfassed apology afterwards tobbs is a little suspect but not particularly out of the ordinary for town and as much as it pains me, i don't like how dawny's been posting this game either, but at the same time it's also her first game in awhile
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Also, Infinitum has been posting elsewhere on the forums constantly and avoiding this thread. He's probably lurking scum, but I don't think we have the votes for it right now.
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Absurd Revolver posted:and as much as it pains me, i don't like how dawny's been posting this game either, but at the same time it's also her first game in awhile Can you expand on this, please? What don't you like about her posting?
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Jan 3, 2017 03:21
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Podima posted:Also, Infinitum has been posting elsewhere on the forums constantly and avoiding this thread. He's probably lurking scum, but I don't think we have the votes for it right now. Wait, really?
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Byers: I'll reread Stickup tomorrow, but I'm currently null on them without a reread. Table it for later? What do you think about the two top lynch candidates at the moment?
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Byers2142 posted:Wait, really? http://forums.somethingawful.com/query.php?action=posthistory&userid=60088
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Podima posted:Byers: I'll reread Stickup tomorrow, but I'm currently null on them without a reread. Table it for later? What do you think about the two top lynch candidates at the moment? I'd go AR over OMG, but will vote either to avoid a no lynch in this game. I'd rather stickup or (given his posting elsewhere and not here) Inf over either of them and be more happy about it.
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Oh, and he's in The Game Room right now. ##vote Infinitum I'll be here right up to deadline and can swap back as needed. I'm fine with an OMG vote but if we can somehow swing to Inf that would be neat.
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Byers2142 posted:I'd go AR over OMG, but will vote either to avoid a no lynch in this game. Could you briefly expand on why AR over OMG?
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Podima posted:I'll ask you again - who else do you think is scum? I mean, I don't really know. It's all day one picking, evenmy feelings on Byers are grasping at the almost nothing we have and trying to force it into something.
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Podima posted:Also, Infinitum has been posting elsewhere on the forums constantly and avoiding this thread. He's probably lurking scum, but I don't think we have the votes for it right now. Podima posted:Oh, and he's in The Game Room right now. ##vote Infinitum Yeah it's because I'm in the game room reading the thread as I just woke up. Last game I was scum in I was posting a bunch. I'm just tired from New Years and family fun mate. Tobbs is scum. I'd bet my bottom dollar on it.
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Byers2142 posted:Even leaving aside his absence, Inf's posting has consisted mainly of tunneling on Tobbs. He's my D1 pick because of scummy behaviour 
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