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foobardog posted:Being black in Seattle in the midst of all the TechBros This has been the case in Seattle long before tech bros showed up. See: Dan Savage and his racism that is accepted as progressive.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Good christ. This is amazing. Any sources for this crap? I wanna read more about how awful we were to black people. Read this too: https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/421-my-people-are-rising Seattle had a very active Black Panther party. Then get depressed when you see the gentrification happening in the Central District. You'll understand how a super market can be an important part of a community: http://kuow.org/post/red-apple-heart-black-seattle-likely-close-making-way-vulcan The Black Panthers led a boycott against Safeway in the CD that kept the store out of the area for 30 years.
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Error 404 posted:Creeping fascism is a feature of, and not a deviation from, capitalism. Yup. Fascism is what happens when capitalism can no longer defend itself with the usual state means, aka the police. It turns to non-state violence to attack left wing organization and labor movements. Some of the best reading on it is actually from Trotsky. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm Syriza has had to deal with fascism quite a bit recently. Left wing marches were getting attacked by fascists. The cops would have a line of riot shield between the protesters and the fascists. They would open a hole in the line, a fascist would come through and stab someone then run back through the line. The cops would then close up the hole. They were protecting the fascist attackers. In response, Syriza has had to organize their own defenders that show up to marches in homemade body armor and carrying wooden staffs to beat back any attackers. This is the only way to defend against fascist. Cops won't defend you.
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George posted:I was saying that it's unconscionable to assume a cop is good because you want to gently caress her. "How can she be a bad person if she is so hot?" He said will furiously masturbating to pictures of women in the IDF.
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I love when PDX carpet makes an appearance. I think it makes for a nice backdrop to knocked out nazis.
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Mr. Lobe posted:UW "Wall Building Coalition" resistance report: a skinhead who doxxed people on j20 got chased off at the most tense point, and he was basically the only person to show up. Not only was he alone in showing up, but he denied being a nazi/Trump supporter. I was there with a small group that had some plans to disrupt any wall builders, and we ended up just hanging out instead. We got some contacts with the people from the antifa group, so hopefully we can all be more organized in loving up nazi plans in the future.
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coyo7e posted:that was not super difficult then, was it? I'm glad that we can move to the next page. And thanks - for realsies - for actually coming up with something to back up what I was asking for proof of Here are some more that I took last November and December.    Death flights for context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights     My wife took this one. Several of those have been within several hundred feet of my apartment. A week ago there was a swastika spray painted over a flyer in a bus stop 200 feet from my apartment. Yeah, they are getting bolder. Also, I always tear this poo poo down.
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Jack2142 posted:True sorry for coming across like an rear end in a top hat. Homlessness and poverty are bad, the way alot of city resources get misallocated on the issue is bad ( not that resources shouldnt be allovated) however a huge amount of expensive police/fire/hospital resources are tied up dealing with issues that could be handled more effectively. On the flip side the cities plans dont seem like they will be terribly effective. That is because the city is run by a bunch of pearl clutching liberal assholes. The good news is that there are a lot of organizations fighting against them. You could join one and do something about it. Also, Nikkita Oliver is running for mayor. She is pretty cool. Murray is a shithead. http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2017/03/activist-nikkita-oliver-new-seattle-peoples-party-to-take-on-murray/
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Mr. Lobe posted:hey on a much more positive note, I'm pretty thrilled about this: I am legit excited just to see her run. She has not only been fighting for Black Lives Matter, but she was there with the DAPL protests/divestment from Wells Fargo, and for immigrants rights on inauguration day. It is going to be a tough fight though. Murray has a ton of money, and the backing of many unions. The good news is that I have seen a lot of positive response to her announcement. Even The Urbanist had good things to say about her running. If a large coalition of different organizations back her, she might actually have a chance of winning.
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silicone thrills posted:For what I can see, maybe the socialist alternative is less white folk? They were able to get Kshama Sawant and Jayapal elected so at least there's that. I've been tempted to just switch over. We didn't get Jayapal elected. We tried to get her to run as independent. We don't support the goal of reforming the Democratic Party, but we did endorse Bernie. (We don't really consider him a socialist though.) The org is mostly white (like Seattle), but we are pretty representative of the population with regards to gender. If you really are interested in joining us, shoot me a message and we can meet up and I can tell you more about what we stand for, and what is involved with being a member. We are much smaller than the DSA, but we expect our members to be pretty active.
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So this showed up across the street from my apartment on 52nd. That is right off the Ave.
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Gerund posted:Its nice and all to talk about how worldly you are but it sure would be nice if leftist organizing would go south of the belt line more often than a victorian patrician. Socialist Alternative has a branch in Beacon Hill and South Seattle. We are also working on getting a branch up and running in Tacoma. If you want to help, I can get you in contact with the people doing that work. That is how the organization operates. Most people in the organization have a full time job outside of Socialist Alternative, and we pay dues to have as many full timers as we can.
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Yeah, we have been kind of busy since the election. As I said, we are mostly volunteers and it can be hard to find time to meet with everyone when we have full time jobs. We are also a fairly small organization. We reach out as best we can to people in places like Everett and Tacoma, but setting up new branches is a ton of work. I can reach out on Twitter to that person, but there are going to be limits in what we can do. Keep in mind that we are looking for members that will be able to participate in organized events and such.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:There is an SA branch at Evergreen in Olympia he should contact. My experience with SA is that it isn't a super 'open' organization and you have to go through a bunch of poo poo just to start meeting with people, this was years ago though so it might have changed. There's a DSA group in Olympia as well. I didn't go though a bunch of poo poo, but we make sure that the person is a good fit for the organization. We want people to understand that we aren't just looking to influence the Democrats, and we don't support capitalism in any form. I don't think we are doing major purity tests though. Part of the bigger issue is getting people that will be active. We aren't looking for members that just pay a yearly membership fee and voting for someone we support. anthonypants posted:In Portland I sat in a couple meetings and had a one-on-one with one of the members and then I started paying dues. Seemed pretty open to me. This is pretty much how it went for me. Having cadres organizing in places like Centralia would be great, but that takes a group of full time people willing to move around. We don't have that yet.
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therobit posted:Why would you not want members at whatever activity level they can maintain? Especially ones that pay dues and vote for your candidates? Political movements require passive support as well in order to survive. We have that. They are called supporters. I should have clarified that. They won't have voting rights within the org though. Keep in mind that we don't really run many candidates. Our goal isn't just to run our own set of candidates, but to organize people to get them involved in different actions. For example, we didn't stack city hall with our own candidates to divest from Wells Fargo. We helped get a bunch of different orgs into city hall and pressure council into action.
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Mr. Lobe posted:The ISO isn't very interested in electoral politics Do you think ISO will endorse Nikkita Oliver? I will be pretty disappointed if SA doesn't endorse her, seeing that we have invited her on stage with us for events. Error 404 posted:not too busy icepicking each other. As a Trotskyist, I love when people ask how I feel about Stalin. DevNull fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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I am surprised no one has posted the Seattle Socialism Conference yet. https://www.facebook.com/events/436042853402808/ All the fliers have Bhaskar Sunkara's name in big letters because name recognition, but I am more excited to see Nikkita Oliver and Jesse Hagopian on the list of speakers.
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Senor P. posted:Why should I pay the same tax when I work over time? (Before I moved I was routinely worked 60-70 hours a week for the last 2 years.) Compared to some techie yuppie that works in Seattle? Sorry your labor was exploited so heavily. Have you considered smashing capitalism? You wouldn't have to work so hard just to survive.
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Senor P. posted:There are some industries and facilities are are required to run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. (Like powerplants for electricity and gas distrubtion for heat) preferrably without unscheduled shutdowns. My dad did shutdowns at paper mills as a welder 30 years ago. I think his longest shift was something like 30 hours. He doesn't have poo poo to show for it and the mill owners are loving loaded. These work conditions are bullshit, and not something we should just live with. You talk about 70k for a software job, but that was what I made out of college 10 years ago. It would be a loving joke now. You are not benefiting from current tax structure. It is designed by people richer than me, so that they can pay as little as possible. There is a reason that 2 of the 8 richest people live in the Seattle area. The tax structure benefits them. They are the ones the convince you that an income tax is bad. They are not your friend.
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twodot posted:You're making 70k a year, if you can't afford to quit that's on you. This is a pretty lovely stance to take. You have no clue what his circumstances are. He might be paying down huge medical debt for all you know. People working are not the enemy here.
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twodot posted:People opposing progressive income taxes are specifically the enemy. Capitalists are the enemy, not workers.
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twodot posted:Capitalists and people supporting the interests of capitalists, also known as people opposed to progressive income taxes. If they only thing between me and the workers' revolution is delusional workers, I'm not stopping to convince them. Good luck with your workers revolution that doesn't actually include any workers.
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Washington democrats are doing the job of the Washington republicans by reducing the cost of licensing your car to try to kill ST3. http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2201&Year=2017 They claim that republicans were going to pass worse, so they had to pass this to keep the republican bill from passing. Republicans could threaten to cut off your head, democrats would instead cut off both your arms and act like they were doing you a huge favor.
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Jack2142 posted:Oh boy I hope it goes to helping the needy property developers how else will Portland compete with Seattle in bad decisions! We are done with Bertha if you can't come up with any better ideas.
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Solidarity from Seattle.
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RuanGacho posted:Cool, lets talk about that. Sorry dude, but cops have long been horrible fuckers in the Seattle area. https://epls.org/251/The-Everett-Massacre Don't forget all the poo poo that went down at the WTO protests. The Seattle police are so bad the federal government put them under consent decree. In other words, you don't get to act like the cops are innocent.
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RuanGacho posted:You probably shouldnt assume I want to "act" like anything. You immediately jumped to a story about cops being under attack. You are defending their bad behavior. Cops are by definition separated from civilians. They knowingly do this so that they can be a violent actor in support of the state. Don't try to pretend they are a marginalized group the is mistreated by society and "otherised" like they are an oppressed group.
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RuanGacho posted:If you're an anarchist this assertion makes sense, but in that case it would be inappropriate for you to claim solidarity with ... probably humanity itself. This is actually the stance of communism as well. Marx and Lenin both talk a lot about police being a state tool of oppression and violence. You clearly know nothing about communism or anarchism if you think they have no solidarity with humanity.
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Peachfart posted:Its funny that some of you are so 'no, i'm the maddest at cops' that you get mad at the guy who agrees that cops do bad things but says they aren't literally demons wearing human skin. No one said this. We said that they are a state tool that protects the wealth of the ruling class and can't be reformed. They commit violence to uphold the hierarchies of society. We aim to abolish those hierarchies, so the police are a violent force against that goal.
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Solkanar512 posted:And yet you and others are busy making GBS threads all over someone who's actually trying to do the hard work of governing to make lasting change. We are actually the ones doing the hard work to make lasting change. I have met some of the other people in this thread, and seen them out actually doing poo poo. None of those people are defending the cops. Jon was never going to get the endorsement. Erica was just grandstanding to poo poo on Jon for having the gall to run without the blessing of the democratic party. She has been attacking him quite a bit over the past few days. Mostly for owning a house, which is a familiar argument for her: https://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2013/10/9/isnt-it-weird-that-october-kshama-2013 Erica of course has no problem with Bruce Harrell's multi-million dollar mansion: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5846-Seward-Park-Ave-S-Seattle-WA-98118/49105402_zpid/ Keep in mind that Erica also spend the last year complaining about bernie bros. She is consistently attacking anyone the is even slightly to the left of the democratic party. If you have the D next to your name, you can actually be a horrendous piece of poo poo, i.e. Tim Burgess. Liberals in the city have never attacked him in the way they have attacked Kshama.
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Peachfart posted:'identity politics' Only if you assume that criticism only comes from the right. https://medium.com/@DevynSpringer/the-alt-left-only-exists-to-liberals-ec0560910fe9
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Peachfart posted:Oh, no. I'm well aware that the left has its share of people who treat 'identity politics' as a negative. https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/839732795706593281
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Solkanar512 posted:And yet you think your issues with the police are so trivial that you have the luxury of forming a circular firing squad? That's loving stupid. Dude, you think the solution to state oppression by the police is watching a Destiny steam with a bunch of cops.
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DevNull posted:Keep in mind that Erica also spend the last year complaining about bernie bros. Anyone that disagrees with her is a bernie bro. https://twitter.com/ericacbarnett/status/867050964368236544
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seiferguy posted:I have no idea who will win Seattle mayor. Oliver seems like a long shot, considering she hasn't raised much money. McGinn has name recognition, but also lost to Murray last time around, and I feel people will unfairly blame him for Bertha's bullshit. Hasegawa will probably be the front runner and get all the endorsements / campaign contributions. He seems alright, but I'd definitely prefer Oliver. Oliver had raised the most money, with around $30k from small contribution. Then Jenny Durkan announced and raised $100k in under a week. Oliver has a shot, because a bunch of groups are getting behind her and are putting in a ton of ground work for her. Socialist Alternative helped gathered signatures to waive her filing fee, and will be door knocking in the future. If the DSA backs her and put in some work, it could really swing things. I think they are voting to endorse a candidate for mayor on May 31 or June 1.
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anthonypants posted:Did she really tell them to turn their swords into ploughshares? I can't confirm it, but I wouldn't doubt it in the slightest. I guess she isn't qualified on suggesting that workers should seize the means of production though.
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Solkanar512 posted:So pointing out that she said a dumb thing, was great in other areas and didn't deserve the misogynistic rants thrown at her over the stadium now classifies as "having a meltdown"? Had she bothered to actual speak to someone who turns a wrench on an airplane, she'd learn very quickly that there are little things called "production certificates" that would kill any plan she had. The only co-opting in this situation was on her, not anyone else. I think you are beginning to understand how radical of change is needed for society. Also, understanding how the bureaucracy will be a road block is an important lesson to learn from previous revolutions. The armed guards are another important aspect. Some of them might side with the workers, other won't. Pretty much all of these are basic steps in a Marxist/Leninist style revolution.
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Freakazoid_ posted:You guys make it sound like boeing workers pretty much have to eat poo poo. I didn't realize it was us that hired armed guards to keep the workers in line.
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Jack2142 posted:This is exactly what I notice from my dad (machinist 40 years) compared to some guys I went to highschool with who got jobs at Boeing in the last 5, for guys not going to college its still a great job just not nearly as good as it used to be. From what I can tell, or at least what has been told to me by countless old farts is Boeing went downhill once the acquired McDonnell Douglas and brought in a bunch of new lovely managers who brought their bad management practices with them. Before then a fair number of the managers and even executives etc. we're guys who worked there way up in the company and that changed a fair bit for ~modern~ Boeing. Yup, the company has to keep squeezing workers to increase their profit margin just a little bit more. In the mean time, the CEO is pulling in $15 million a year. I wonder if the CEO is on the side of the workers, or the side of the share holders?
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