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Pan Dulce posted:Because TVIV voted Better Call Saul so highly, I just wanted to ask if it's really necessary to watch Breaking Bad to know what the gently caress is happening on it? There's just so much to catch up on...
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Started watching Man Seeking Woman. Tim Heidecker just uttered the line "I just had to wrestle a pitbull for a poo poo-covered dick." and now I couldn't be regretting sleeping on this show more.
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Jan 6, 2017 16:29
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I've seen critics say The Crown has amazing performances and that it's not the stuffy costume drama you think it is, except it's exactly one of those stuffy costume dramas. There's also ridiculous dramatic music during simple sequences like someone walking into a house or taking a boat ride. Watched 3 episodes so far and it's so loving boring.
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Jan 6, 2017 16:50
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Mu Zeta posted:I've seen critics say The Crown has amazing performances and that it's not the stuffy costume drama you think it is, except it's exactly one of those stuffy costume dramas. There's also ridiculous dramatic music during simple sequences like someone walking into a house or taking a boat ride. Watched 3 episodes so far and it's so loving boring. The fourth episode is somehow even worse.
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Jan 6, 2017 17:55
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On ep7 of Person of Interest now. Ep 6 was the first decent ep. I understand accepting a premise for the sake of storytelling, but Finch is the dumbest motherfucker to ever design a system to find patterns in society. Like, either the system searches for terrorists by identifying potential victims, or when he backdoored in to get his irrelevant list, he decided that victims were more important than perps and that he should get the victim list. Both of these show no understanding of crime prevention at all. The system is supposed to detect intent, so it must know the perps, Finch just decided it would be better to start from the victims and work backwards. There would be no episode plots otherwise. This loving Elias subplot is kicking off right now, but it feels really stupid that, in show about a machine that finds and connects pieces of human behavior into a cohesive pattern, humans seem to be the only ones putting together these pieces. Or, as I said, the machine is putting together these pieces, but Finch is too stupid to look at them because he's busy looking for victims rather than hunting criminals. Like I said, I know I just have to accept that this is the premise, but it just feels so stupid to go about things this way. I guess It's kind of pointless to worry about this until more about the machine is revealed in the show.
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Jan 6, 2017 18:42
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The machine is the worst. Just enjoy the dog and sarah shahi and amy acker.
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Snak posted:On ep7 of Person of Interest now. Ep 6 was the first decent ep. Yeah, show goes into that and how the Machine works with Finch vs. how it works with US intelligence and black ops groups, and why that's the case.
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Jan 6, 2017 18:59
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Some info about Hulu's upcoming TV service. http://gizmodo.com/hulus-live-streaming-service-could-be-the-cordcutting-b-1790830030 It does sound promising in general, but the devil will be in the details. From my perspective, I'm less worried about lowering my cost and more worried about increasing quality and limiting ADs. Cable image quality is just terrible anymore and I often find myself gravitating towards Hulu if the content is there. I'm subscribed to the AD free option too so the experience is almost at the same as Netflix, just with new content. If they can do AD free on a larger VOD library, that's going to be very enticing. They don't have those details fully fleshed out yet, but aren't ruling it out. I agree with the conclusions of the article though in that Hulu has already proven they can delivery quality streams, it's just a matter of content deals and pricing now.
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Jan 6, 2017 19:07
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The Machine is a black box, all it does is go "this person is worth looking into" and it's up to the people who get told this either on the relevant or irrelevant side to figure out why. The rationalization being that if no one sees what the machine sees, no one's rights are being infringed upon. Obviously this is false but the show goes into that.
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Jan 6, 2017 19:29
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Jim Caviezel is lining up a sniper shot... "Range it" "I don't know, five hundred yards?" "Six" And then it shows the car like 40 yards away, and he takes the shot and the car he shot at comes to a stop literally right next to him. Fuckin lol. Edit: ^ but why is it saying victims are worth looking into, rather than perps? That's literally backwards.
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That scene rules tho. Also the literal premise of the show is they don't know if the people they are given are victims or perps, so I dunno where this victim only assumption is coming from. The information it tends to spit out is based on who the most key person in a situation is. Like if someone is actively planning a murder and leaving a data trails the machine will obviously send their number but if someone has created a situation which could very probably lead to other elements wanting them dead the machine will send that person's number because it's more efficient to have that person guarded than to seek out like 5 hitmen all gunning for this vic. edit: next episode for you provides a good example of what I'm talking about. Zaggitz fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Jan 6, 2017 19:31
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The first episode was all about the fact that the Machine gives the number of the most relevant party instead of the victim.
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Zaggitz posted:That scene rules tho. That's true, I guess. It does always turn out to be the opposite of the one they initially assume. Also, that scene is really lame. This show is like what if Blindspot was played completely straight and trying to be super serious and realistic all the time. And had no humor. It's not exciting, or badass, or interesting. It's the same plots that every procedural uses, but with no character chemistry, no humor, and the most melodramatic bullshit that we are supposed to care about. Like, it's not lovely. It's okay. But it's definitly not clicking for me. The police woman, Taraji P. Henson's character, is easily the most interesting character, but she does basically nothing. She seems to exist in each episode simply to show up too late to find out what happened at the end of every episode. Edit: whowhatwhere posted:The first episode was all about the fact that the Machine gives the number of the most relevant party instead of the victim. Yeah, you're right, but it would always be more useful to give the perps. Every single time. Every time they get a victim they just spend the whole episode working backwards to information the machine already knew. Finch specifically says that the machine determines lethal intent. There's no way it could do that without an identity or identities associated with that intent. Snak fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Jan 6, 2017 19:41
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Snak posted:That's true, I guess. It does always turn out to be the opposite of the one they initially assume. watch the next episode.
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Jan 6, 2017 19:42
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Zaggitz posted:watch the next episode. Okay. I was literally going to quit right now. I will watch the next episode. Edit: oh hey, the tidbit where she said she was in Iraq and Afghanistan like 5 episodes ago.
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Jan 6, 2017 19:45
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The first season of PoI is a bit too focused on Reese and Finch, to it's detriment. Jim Caveziel, bless his ridiculously tall heart, is not the best actor or the most charismatic screen presence. Season 2 has more of a team dynamic, opening up the Reese and Finch show to other players and allowing them more people to bounce off of, and it does wonders for their likability.
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Spergatory posted:The first season of PoI is a bit too focused on Reese and Finch, to it's detriment. Jim Caveziel, bless his ridiculously tall heart, is not the best actor or the most charismatic screen presence. Well, his most famous role is just him getting tortured to death for an hour and a half. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:Well, his most famous role is just him getting tortured to death for an hour and a half. He watched [insert movie here] too?
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Yeah I love Frequency and The Count of Monte Cristo despite Jim Caviezel's anti-charisma personality. He's not great on his own.
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Snak posted:Okay. I was literally going to quit right now. I will watch the next episode. Person of Interest is dire and only gained a following because people were desperate for science fiction TV. Quit now.
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Jan 6, 2017 23:38
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It's excellent TV and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I was sad when it was canceled. Keep watching.
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Also the new season of Sleepy Hollow starts tonight.
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Mu Zeta posted:Yeah I love Frequency and The Count of Monte Cristo despite Jim Caviezel's anti-charisma personality. He's not great on his own. Yeah I looove his Monte Cristo movie, but his performance is super stilted and wooden. Which just happens to (accidentally?) work for his interpretation of the character, who is an awkward innocent only pretending to be a scheming badass. At no point do you believe he's a confident, charming pirate, but you sure believe that he's trying to be. Not sure how much of that is intentional on his part but drat does it end up working. Not to say I wouldn't be really interested to see what, say, Hugh Jackman would have done with the role.
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GreenNight posted:Also the new season of Sleepy Hollow starts tonight. If a show airs and nobody watches it does it make a sound?
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I still feel like people are messing with me when they say that show's not cancelled.
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PriorMarcus posted:Person of Interest is dire and only gained a following because people were desperate for science fiction TV. Quit now. I watched all of it, and think this is at least as accurate as people who say it's a great show. The high concept twist to the formula does make it more interesting than other procedurals (which isn't saying a lot), but honestly the show's ideas are often better than the execution, especially as the sci fi elements become more and more prominent. Some of the characters are interesting/good, but I think the show leans a bit too heavily on viewers finding their interactions charming in the later seasons and feels a bit fan servicey.
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I think dire is too strong a word but honestly PM is right. It's just.....not THAT good. The spiel somewhere about how it is as intelligent as Westworld when it comes to themes etc made me laugh super hard.
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Most network dramas suffer from the same problems - too high an episode order, and the constant need to make it accessible for new viewers.
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Escobarbarian posted:I think dire is too strong a word but honestly PM is right. It's just.....not THAT good. The spiel somewhere about how it is as intelligent as Westworld when it comes to themes etc made me laugh super hard. They balance out: PoI was a show that was smarter than you'd expect, Westworld is a show that wants you to think that it's smarter than it is.
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Escobarbarian posted:I think dire is too strong a word but honestly PM is right. It's just.....not THAT good. The spiel somewhere about how it is as intelligent as Westworld when it comes to themes etc made me laugh super hard. Says man who never got to the part I'm talking about when I say that.
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I've never thought of PoI as this absurdly high concept work of unappreciated genius. Not saying it's not smart, but for me, the draw was always the fun characters, well above-average action sequences, and cool twist on the usual depiction of AI. It's a really fun series once it gets going. It's weird to go back to season 1 and see how dire and serious it was because the later seasons have some legitimately great comedy in them.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Most network dramas suffer from the same problems - too high an episode order, and the constant need to make it accessible for new viewers. That's true. I think that's probably an even bigger problem than the formulaic nature of the procedural elements, honestly. When characters have to interact that much, even their banter (which can sometimes feel endless since it's covering a lot of exposition) starts to feel rote.
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Spergatory posted:The first season of PoI is a bit too focused on Reese and Finch, to it's detriment. Jim Caveziel, bless his ridiculously tall heart, is not the best actor or the most charismatic screen presence. Season 2 has more of a team dynamic, opening up the Reese and Finch show to other players and allowing them more people to bounce off of, and it does wonders for their likability. I skipped almost the entire first season. Just watched the first couple and the last 4 episodes.
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LivePD is my guilty pleasure. Old white trash lady: "Well I was masturbating to porn when you showed up"
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I didn't hate the first season as much as you guys seem to. Then again, I also don't break out in hives at the prospect of a procedural TV show.
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I'm not a fan of being treated like an idiot. Being walked through a story like a child doesn't work for me.
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We're a week out so I've made a Series of Unfortunate Events thread. Do Not Click This Link! Only misery awaits within
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I love how you mention watching PoI for Acker and Shahi, but they don't come out until end of second season was it?
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PriorMarcus posted:Person of Interest is dire and only gained a following because people were desperate for science fiction TV. Quit now. I never saw POI as a science fiction show even a tiny bit. It was a procedural, until it tried to be a serial drama and got bad. The Machine was a magic plot device, not scifi. raditts posted:I didn't hate the first season as much as you guys seem to. Then again, I also don't break out in hives at the prospect of a procedural TV show. Yeah basically that. This forum is ridiculous with its hatred of anything remotely procedural. POI was at its best when it was just doing a number of the week while maintaining some continuity and having some recurring characters, eg Elias.
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