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whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Not challenging it but when did Star Trek become one of the Forbidden?

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whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Gay Horney posted:

I want to start a new drama. House of Cards or Boardwalk Empire?

House of Cards american version starts bad-silly and gets much worse, all the while pretending its so much more. Boardwalk Empire, while it often suffers from the latter problem, works as a slow-paced genre show that builds exquisitely.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Mu Zeta posted:

Boardwalk Empire suffers from always having at least one super annoying character. First with Jimmy and then Gyp Rosetti.

I didn't find either of them that annoying, but even granting that there are still two more seasons.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rocksicles posted:

Sort of, they don't spend a great deal of time actually in school doing school stuff.

Remind me how much of Harry Potter actually involved schoolwork?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Snak posted:

I can tell that it's a slow start, but the first 3 episodes of Person of Interest have been aggressively boring. Without trying to sound like a snobby dick, when does it get good? I'm used to shows that have bad starts before getting good, so I'm still keeping an open mind, but I kind of want to know how much more of this I'm in for...

Season 2 episode 16.

More accurately it shows glimpses of promise in the episodes listed, it's much improved in the first half of season 2, and the second half of season 2 is when it's really good...but a lot of people never quite gel with its tone (hi) and stick around for the ideas/great episodes.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


precision posted:

I wish Person of Interest had gone further in the direction of episodes like 7 and ditched the computer plot entirely.

No seriously what would even be the point of the show then?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


The first episode was all about the fact that the Machine gives the number of the most relevant party instead of the victim.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


When do we get to occ being allowed to speak for a week?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Dead Snoopy posted:

Also, I should feel shame because it comes from the MTV assembly line but Sweet Viscous has completely come out of left field to win me over.

It sticks with you long after you've finished watching it.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rocksicles posted:

Unfortunate Events is boss. Watch it. NPH chews scenery like a beaver.

It's the dumbest possible show in the best way.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


We survived pop-punk once, we can survive it again. My condolences to those who lose loved ones to terrible, terrible music.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Nah, let everyone know so they have a chance to avoid Sherlock's....most Sherlock hour.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

Oh yeah the movie where Patrick Stewart plays a poop


Generations was 22 years ago, dude.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Mu Zeta posted:

Hey the Oscars are on TV right? gently caress the Oscars for not nominating Sing Street for anything. "Drive It Like You Stole It" is a fantastic song and better than whatever trash heap Justin Timberlake wrote for Trolls. No one will remember La La Land in 6 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuWTcmjnEGY

I mean having your main form of promotion in the states be a controversy about how you poo poo-talked the star of your Hollywood debut is a great way to ensure you don't get nominated for a Hollywood award.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


get that OUT of my face posted:

But it's going to win Best Picture because Academy voters love themselves more than anything else. It's why Birdman and The Artist (that's the name of the silent film with John Goodman and the dog, right?) won the years they were nominated. poo poo, I prefer biopics as Oscar bait over that ego-stroking crap, even though I hear that La La Land is actually good.

Man Birdman was a drat masterpiece of design, and its main competition as a movie whose main qualification was that it took 12 years to make.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Lurdiak posted:

The comical over-the-top methods and pathology of the killers, the obviousness of the dialogue, the ridiculous attempts to ratchet up tension, everything about the wacky jaded coroner team.

Bryan Fuller posted:

Every director who comes to the show gets the same lecture. We are not making television. We are making a pretentious art film from the 80s.
I think it nails that perfectly. I hated the "let's make the subtext text, then bold it, then UNDERLINE IT AND ADD EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!" stuff too until I realized that was (part of) the joke.

whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at Jan 30, 2017 around 12:49

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Silly x-o, don't you know that television started in 1989?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


muscles like this! posted:

Nicolas Winding Refn and Ed Brubaker are working together on a crime series for Amazon. Its going to be called Too Old to Die and will be about gangsters in LA. No word yet on the time period of the setting although Bru has shown particular fondness for period pieces.

Hopefully Brubaker can surgically remove Refn's head out of his rear end so we get Good Refn instead of whatever the gently caress The Neon Demon was.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

You should watch THE FALL, it's absolutely one of the best-looking movies of all time

No, seriously watch The Fall, its images will blow your goddamn mind and then realizing that there was 0 CGI (aside from cleanup work removing wires and such) will blow your mind AGAIN.

Also the backstory of this guy networking for 15 years during his career then calling in every favor and spending virtually all his money to make his dream project is great.

Also the 6 year old girl playing the main character is possibly the best little kid performance in all of cinema.

It's just...it's so good you guys.

e: that said it's a complete mood piece, if you mainly enjoy movies for their plot or their characters you'll be bored to tears.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


I can't wait for season two where we decide that actually it's poo poo.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rocksicles posted:

Fringe is almost above reproach. For every failing there is a Walter moment that fixes it.

Walter's the problem easily a third of the time.

e: he should just Kramer in whatever room he's entering.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


IRQ posted:

Fixed.

Except Game of Thrones, it's the tv watchers that make that trash.


Aphrodite posted:

It's both.

It's the show that makes the threads trash.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Spatula City posted:

hopefully it's just the first two books. I have heard...not great things about Endymion. also hopefully it's limited run. I don't see how there's that much adaptation wiggle room, or much possibility of expansion.

Eh, Endymion is set like 1000 years in the future or something. It'd be an entirely separate show.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


So basically if we could put up with a head ghost we can handle The Expanse?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


No seriously how the hell is Patriot like The Young Pope? Like, at all? It's an extremely dark and dry comedy where everything is completely straight except for the fact that it's all loving insane. It's not even remotely going for the same thing as The Young Pope, which had flights of whimsy and caustic humor but wasn't about that at all.

Also the first four episodes are just....a near-perfect farce. I'll buy it getting better but those four episodes alone would be worth watching even if the rest went to poo poo.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rhyno posted:

Wasn't it like a last minute pickup as is? So it was pretty close to being that.



Sometimes I wish it had been. It would have saved us from an entire generation of terrible fans.

Yeah the marvel movie fandom is kinda terrible.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


IRQ posted:

You just murdered any interest I had, yikes.

It's nothing like that at all. It's intricate but the excessively controlled set and costume design and forced mannerisms aren't there at all.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Mu Zeta posted:

Spartacus showed a dude slave with cum on his face. Will it beat that?

If the scene we think is in, is in, then oh boy will it ever.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rarity posted:

So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad?

I mean I was complaining about the dialog in Jessica Jones from the beginning, so I think it's more people feeling emboldened now that everyone else is talking about how a Marvel show sucks.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Aphrodite posted:

I really doubt Jessica Jones is the first show to deal with abuse. It's just the first one that starts with a comic book logo that draws viewers in.

Surely the TVIV hivemind isn't so narrow as to only be able to come up with nerd shows?!

There's not a super prominent analogue I can think of, however. Closest I can think of is Happy Valley, which is brilliant but not really the same (doesn't really get into the twisted sense of guilt for having suffered the abuse which was to my mind the core of JJ's examination).

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Superrodan posted:

I watched the first episode of Patriot last night and The guy who got pushed in front of a truck appearing at the end and having trouble speaking made me really sad because he seemed like such a nice dude. I just want to know how screwed that guy is on a scale of 1-10 so I can be prepared for the worst.

As with everything else on the show, it always tends towards 1.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Looten Plunder posted:

Did we watch the same show?

In terms of whether people's lives get better (10) or worse (1)? Yeah, I think we are

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


TV Zombie posted:

Is it at least worth a watch? I thought I heard about it from others which is why I started watching the first episode but..haven't really gone back to it or had any enthusiasm to go back to it. It's just there in the queue.

How much do you like people in lovely situations continually loving up and making their lives a million times worse?

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


STAC Goat posted:

I binged Dark Matter awhile back and I didn't love it or anything but I was impressed at how dedicated it was to burning through stories. Like, another show probably could have gotten like 5 seasons of stories from its first 1 or 2.

I swear a lot of mediocre to low-tier good shows do this to keep interest from flagging. Off the top of my head Vampire Diaries, Pretty Little Liars and Arrow s1 did this.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


cool kids inc. posted:

I feel like for all the drama Pretty Little Liars is almost the opposite. Six seasons approximately, 22 episodes a piece and just dragging on and on and on. I couldn't get more than a few episodes into season 2 because it was just more of the same blah de blah.

I mean yeah, at the highest level there are only three big stories (and they're all basically the same) but there's always so much bullshit happening that there's always a sense of momentum so long as you don't stop to think about it.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


I haven't watched it yet but I'm a massive sucker for fantastic visuals and artsy direction over fully satisfying storytelling (hello Legion and Utopia) so I'm already assuming I'm gonna be in the latter camp.

Also I think you're underestimating the Kings story's interaction with the Fuller effect. Two genius showrunners whose shows never get all the traction they deserve tackling an unfilmable genre work is basically TVIV catnip. All it needs now is a woman to hate and there'll be no stopping the thread from devouring us all.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Legion is a great show, but very much style over substance. Watch it when you want to be dazzled.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Gonz posted:

I've felt that the Oscars have been jokey bullshit ever since Sharon Stone didn't win Best Actress for Casino in 1996.

Then Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan three years later for Best Picture and I KNEW the Oscars were jokey bullshit.

Also, Eddie Redmayne over Michael Keaton? LO FUCKIN' L.

Saving Private Ryan isn't anything special outside of the first scene.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Lurdiak posted:

The main character invents rap at one point by poorly singing Vanilla Ice to a black panther DJ.

Eat your heart out Back to the Future. God drat.

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whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010


Rarity posted:

Watch the Killing, it's a classic

Man wait until they actually get hooked on TV before scarring them with that first season.

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