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Schremp Howard posted:The reason the first one was so great was because Bettman had nothing to do with it. Buffalo had to convince him to let it happen because he didn't think it was a viable idea. It wasn't a hugely original concept. They just copied the Heritage Classic which itself was a rip off of the Cold War back in 2001. I believe the NHL's concerns with it weren't so much to do with the idea of an outdoor game, just that they didn't have the technology to guarantee an acceptable playing surface at that time. They have a portable rink now, but back then the game was largely an expensive proof of concept. They only had a few days to build and test it, and their success was largely contingent on it being within a certain temperature range to work properly. The ice was really, really bad during the Heritage Classic when it was -30C and the last thing the league wanted was Crosby hitting a pit in the ice and breaking his leg in front of a national audience (getting brained a few years later was no big deal though). Ironically, Bettman also made a big deal about saying he didn't want to do too many to dilute the entertainment value. I guess he just chucked that out the window the moment he saw how much cash each game raked in.
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they're kind of dumb to watch on TV now unless your team is involved but if 70,000 people will still buy tickets at an inflated price then it's still a win for the league
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xzzy posted:The problem isn't whether it can get cold enough to have good ice, the problem is whether it happens consistently enough to schedule a giant event around it. you know they use compressors and chillers and whatever the gently caress else to make ice instead of just throwing buckets of water around the day before? here in arizona it's like 60 inside the arena and mysteriously we have perfect ice, although im sure the good old original six boys have their time tested approach
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It's a lot easier to control temperature and humidity inside of an arena vs. outside. In the past the sun has also been an issue. In fact I can't really think of a NHL outdoor game where there wasn't a big concern about the ice quality.
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hifi posted:you know they use compressors and chillers and whatever the gently caress else to make ice instead of just throwing buckets of water around the day before? here in arizona it's like 60 inside the arena and mysteriously we have perfect ice, although im sure the good old original six boys have their time tested approach Holy poo poo, really? I had no idea!
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If we're talking about ways the nhl could expand their appeal, it'd be nice if maybe someday they actually had more than one national broadcast partner, if only to push NBC to be better. NBC broadcasts pretty much suck aside from Doc and I don't even like him all that much either, personally. Nobody really likes McGuire as far as i can tell and I don't know if you could put a more unlikeable pair of guys together for an intermission report than Roenick and Milbury.
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hifi posted:you know they use compressors and chillers and whatever the gently caress else to make ice instead of just throwing buckets of water around the day before? here in arizona it's like 60 inside the arena and mysteriously we have perfect ice, although im sure the good old original six boys have their time tested approach Creating an NHL quality ice surface inside a purpose built indoor arena is very different from doing it outside in a football or baseball stadium. The weather can, and does play a big role. The league has a specialized outdoor ice surface that they can transport around North America, but they still have issues. In 2015 the game was played in Pittsburgh in 10C weather and the warmth combined with the occasional rain shower meant that puddles formed all over the ice. It was a real concern, and there was talk of cancelling the game (it was delayed several hours as it was). This was in a classically cold city, not the American south. Lighten up man, not everything is about original six fans looking down on sunbelt teams. Pornographic Memory posted:If we're talking about ways the nhl could expand their appeal, it'd be nice if maybe someday they actually had more than one national broadcast partner, if only to push NBC to be better. NBC broadcasts pretty much suck aside from Doc and I don't even like him all that much either, personally. Nobody really likes McGuire as far as i can tell and I don't know if you could put a more unlikeable pair of guys together for an intermission report than Roenick and Milbury. No one other than NBC launched a serious bid for the NHL rights the last time they came available. The NHL is very lucky to have them.
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You can make perfect ice inside an arena? Someone better tell the Islanders. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to hear the news
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Plus the reason southern teams won't get a Winter Classic is because nobody will tune in to watch Arizona play... anyone. It has nothing to do with weather.
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ThinkTank posted:I agree in principle, but please no more bullshit military stuff. Reminds me of the Calgary Heritage Classic when they tried to host it at Lake Louise, and the league said "fffffffffuck no".
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People would probably love a snowbird series rather than freezing their rear end off in some lovely bench seat stadium like "The "Big" House", and the nhl giving a poo poo about tv ratings and their brand is what gives up hawks vs whoever outdoors part IV instead of good stories like john scott going to the allstar game
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I assume the coyotes asked for an outdoor game and the nhl responded with "Do you think this is something your kids would be proud of"
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Arizona can't even fill their 17000 seat arena.
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hifi posted:I assume the coyotes asked for an outdoor game and the nhl responded with "Do you think this is something your kids would be proud of" lol
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Aphrodite posted:Arizona can't even fill their 17000 seat arena. Everybody laughs at ticket prices and empty seats and whatever but as soon as a team that's not from california or florida comes to town ticket prices go up by 10x and the arena is full. The hawks game starts at $100 according to seatgeek
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https://twitter.com/NBCSportsPR/status/816297671195578370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/NBCSportsPR/status/816297844273516544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Awful Announcing posted:The game from Busch Stadium featuring Chicago and St. Louis registered a 1.88 overnight rating for the Peacock, up 4% from last year’s game at Gillette Stadium which pitted Montreal and Boston.
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Looks like Gary's gettin a bonus!
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Wasn't Montreal/Boston down significantly from previous years though?
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An improvement of just 4% when you're moving from one major American media market to two is quite a poor showing. Plus it drew a 5.2 as recently as 2015.
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ThinkTank posted:An improvement of just 4% when you're moving from one major American media market to two is quite a poor showing. Yeah this is how I read it too. I think they gotta get away from New Year's. They're doomed from the start going up against bowl games.
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what the nhl needs to do is forgot about caring for attendance and think bigger host the drat winter classic on antarctica
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fits posted:what the nhl needs to do is forgot about caring for attendance and think bigger Hmm as a compromise, how about Seoul in 2018? But instead of a winter classic, let players play for teams coming from their home country.
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xzzy posted:Hmm as a compromise, how about Seoul in 2018? But instead of a winter classic, let players play for teams coming from their home country. that might just be crazy enough to work
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xzzy posted:Hmm as a compromise, how about Seoul in 2018? But instead of a winter classic, let players play for teams coming from their home country. well now that's just crazy talk
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xzzy posted:Hmm as a compromise, how about Seoul in 2018? But instead of a winter classic, let players play for teams coming from their home country. Too complicated. Let's just start a pre-season tournament with a couple gimmick teams for flavour. We can offer a trophy no one gives a flying poo poo about.
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/NBCSportsPR/status/816297671195578370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw As I watched the game I couldn't help but wonder if Tony X was at it.
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I just want the Jackets to keep being good because a) that's awesome and b) I think all they're looking for is one justifiable reason to do Jackets-Pens at the Horseshoe for the Winter Classic. My guess is they would only do one of the other outdoor games though because if OSU plays on New Years Day, that game is fuckeedddddd
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I hold a soft spot for the jackets in my heart but there are basically non-zero odds they ever get to host a game in the shoe
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fits posted:what the nhl needs to do is forgot about caring for attendance and think bigger ive decided it can be bruins@pens so long as the bruins work in a polar bear jersey thing
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mother fuckerBSH posted:In a corresponding move [to Neuvy returning], the Flyers have assigned Anthony Stolarz to the Lehigh Valley Phantoms. Stolarz started just two games since being called up when Neuvirth went down, but he also played in relief twice for Mason. In total, Stolarz stopped 90 of 96 shots sent his way in 201 minutes played -- good for a .938 save percentage. 
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Dale Ouise posted:Too complicated. Let's just start a pre-season tournament with a couple gimmick teams for flavour. We can offer a trophy no one gives a flying poo poo about. Team Players Whose Names Contain the Letter 'E' and Team Players Who Own More Than One Dog are shaping up to be real contenders.
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yellowcar posted:Team Players Whose Names Contain the Letter 'E' and Team Players Who Own More Than One Dog are shaping up to be real contenders. I'm down if only for the Backes vs Kessel action
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Who was the last rookie who scored as much as Matthews?
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Who was the last rookie who scored as much as Matthews? Crosby had a pretty huge rookie campaign as I recall
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DJExile posted:mother fucker I don't get why they don't just send Gordon down instead. He's barely played and definitely isn't good enough that someone's going to claim him. Or on the off chance someone does it's not like the Flyers are going to miss him desperately. Also, Bobby Clarke flubbed Giroux's name (and the Flyers more or less lucked into their franchise center) because LA picked their first choice three picks beforehand: quote:According to MacLean, Philly was going to take Trevor Lewis. But the Kings took Lewis 17th, which annoyed Philadelphia, since Hextall had just left for California. Clarke was flustered. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-manage-bad-luck/ Friedmann's column, as usual, has a bunch of good stuff in it.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Who was the last rookie who scored as much as Matthews? Setting the line at .89 PPG: Panarin and McDavid last year. Bobby Ryan before that. (Ignoring lots of low GP in between.) Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Who was the last rookie who scored as much as Matthews? At evens? Selanne.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Who was the last rookie who scored as much as Matthews? I mean, Connor McDavid had a better start to his rookie season as far as that goes, he just missed some time. Kane comes to mind, but he's a different sort of player. Projecting Matthews right now is interesting, his shot rates have been consistently great all year but it's hard to tell how genuine his S% could be. His line mates have probably shot below average so far, so we might assume his points% will stay fairly even but the ratio of goals/assists will level out. Matthews' raw scoring is good but honestly what's really impressive so far is his shot rate and goal scoring ability, and the fact that he's doing it with only rookies as line mates. I have a hard time remembering a pick scoring like this without a single veteran lining up with him.
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Kane had 21 goals his rookie year.. which Matthews has almost beat already.
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