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jBrereton posted:No I think everyone thinks he is a limp-wristed and ineffectual leader, which is a fact, and they do matter. Yeah we don't need more people who don't understand cause and effect. Piss off. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The only real bright spark is that as bad as Corbyn is at political strategy, Theresa May is bloody useless. It's a shame she's still an authoritarian xenophobe who wraps herself in the cloak of Christendom (that really annoys me. I don't see how you could look at a lot of her behaviour and see it being rooted in the teachings of Christ but welp). It's 2017, any lack of detailed plans by now just means that whatever the negotiating stance is, it will be as useless and underwhelming as the reforms Cameron secured as part of the trigger for the EU referendum. The lack of vision and timidity of some politicians depresses me. The government is giving 6m to setup 14 new garden villages, to build 200,000 homes over god knows how many years. It's likely some of these won't happen. Macmillan managed 300,000 in a single year (one argument for a much more centrally controlled economy).
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The massive surge in Labour party membership and income is a bright spark.
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Yeah, David Cameron was master of all he surveyed until, suddenly, he wasn't and he was gone, just like that. My feeling is that there'll be a crisis in 2017 that will knock Teresa May out of her job in the same way; what happens after that is anyone's guess.
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I love the fact that one of the first things Theresa May did was to try (and fail) to bring back grammar schools, something that Thatcher said all along was political suicide and one of the most unpopular decisions a government could make lol
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Pistol_Pete posted:My feeling is that there'll be a crisis in 2017 that will knock Teresa May out of her job in the same way; what happens after that is anyone's guess. Well, a maximum of two years later we'll leave the EU.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, David Cameron was master of all he surveyed until, suddenly, he wasn't and he was gone, just like that. Other than Eden I can't think of any time this has happened recently in British politics (although she is quite Edenian in terms of being respected at her last job but an atrocious PM). And if she has to resign there will be an election that will bury the opposition completely and crown Phillip Hammond as PM, which nobody in Labour should be hankering for even if you're on the completely loving moronic "we should aim not to be corrupted by offering nothing to people very unpersuasively" wing of the party.
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Jedit posted:Well, a maximum of two years later
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jBrereton posted:mmmmmmm I agree, Labour should continue to offer the same milquetoast moderate centrism that has failed them in the last two elections while watching fascists take power all around them. There is literally no alternative to this plan of action whatsoever.
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Pissflaps posted:If only politicians were able to actually influence opinion with the things they say. Oh well. Infinitely fewer than if socialist politics dies in Labour and conservatism wins every election forever, regardless of the colour of the ties.
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Police kill a guyquote:A man has died in a police shooting during an operation near the M62.
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MikeCrotch posted:I agree, Labour should continue to offer the same milquetoast moderate centrism that has failed them in the last two elections while watching fascists take power all around them. There is literally no alternative to this plan of action whatsoever. Presumably you think Labour's current path offers a better alternative - but all signs point to it being even rejected even harder. Why is Labour becoming increasingly distant from power a good thing?
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Well Labour are unpopular because they aren't pro war, pro Brexit and pro racism enough. And they have a leader who doesn't look like the prime minister from a movie. Change those things, (except the last one) and is it even worth having a Labour Party any more?
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Labour are pro Brexit, and I don't think it's ever been a party of pacifism.
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Pissflaps posted:Presumably you think Labour's current path offers a better alternative - but all signs point to it being even rejected even harder. Because power corrupts and is therefore bad. Abolish power. 
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Pissflaps posted:Labour are pro Brexit, and I don't think it's ever been a party of pacifism. They were pacifist for a brief period in the 30s when George Lansbury was in charge. For some reason being pacifist in the 1930s didn't go over too well...
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So my 2005 Polo is worth about £1000 at the mo. I've just moved it to my new address in Stratford (east Ldn) and the absolute lowest price I've been able to find for insurance is £800 for a year. No prior claims or any black marks on my record. Yeesh. Also the three providers who offer the lowest quotes are all Admiral subsidiaries. Above them it's like £1500 for a year. Don't know why I'm posting this, except it sucks and this is the thread for things in the UK which suck (hint it's everything lol)
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Sell it. One thing in the UK that doesn't suck is the public transport hub at Stratford.
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Pissflaps posted:Labour are pro Brexit, and I don't think it's ever been a party of pacifism. And yet every Brexiteer sees them as the party of unrestricted mass immigration.
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Nothing good has come of Twitter. Hopefully 2017 will see it finally shut down after hemorrhaging the last of its cash.
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marktheando posted:And yet every Brexiteer sees them as the party of unrestricted mass immigration. I know. Terrible isn't it.
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Cerv posted:Nothing good has come of Twitter. Hopefully 2017 will see it finally shut down after hemorrhaging the last of its cash. https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/12/20/2181583/ftav-person-of-interest-2016-the-longlist/ 
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, David Cameron was master of all he surveyed until, suddenly, he wasn't and he was gone, just like that. I think you're being very optimistic. May has mastered the dark art of keeping at the top of the Tories - her main competitors are neutered in jobs that can only be failures, the most rebellious backbenchers have lost their most galvanising issue, and the Dry wing have to keep their neck wound in because they're mostly pro-Remain. Of course she can also rely on a completely supine media and a mostly-apathetic electorate who have been given what they asked for, and a total basket case of an opposition. I'm beginning to come around to the idea that Corbyn should just launch a political kamikaze mission. Let the Blairites oust him and put in PPEBot3k, he's never going to be PM anyway, at least on the way out he can get people talking about how and why we're so hosed.
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El Grillo posted:So my 2005 Polo is worth about £1000 at the mo. I've just moved it to my new address in Stratford (east Ldn) and the absolute lowest price I've been able to find for insurance is £800 for a year. No prior claims or any black marks on my record. Yeesh. I added my Mum as an extra driver for my Golf - my insurance went down from about £800 to £500.
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Cerv posted:Nothing good has come of Twitter. Hopefully 2017 will see it finally shut down after hemorrhaging the last of its cash. Also I like arguing with angry racists if I'm bored and have a few minutes spare, and without the risk of being punched in the face.
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MikeCrotch posted:I agree, Labour should continue to offer the same milquetoast moderate centrism that has failed them in the last two elections while watching fascists take power all around them. There is literally no alternative to this plan of action whatsoever.
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Pesmerga posted:I like this thread much more since I put pissflaps on ignore. It made me laugh out loud at what an improvement it is.
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jBrereton posted:Get this, you can not like Blairism and still not want a leader who has that affected distance from reality that academics cultivate which makes his policy announcements completely pointless since nobody listens, especially inside his own party. Yes but the current state of the Labour Party and alternative leaders means you've got the choice of Corbyn or an array of Noted Computer Users, terrible Blairites or even less notables. We can pretty much do discussions on 'Corbyn bad (in how he does things)' but that annoyingly doesn't translate into 'Corbyn must go now.'
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nopantsjack posted:It made me laugh out loud at what an improvement it is. If we could only get people to stop arguing with and then talking about him.
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namesake posted:Yes but the current state of the Labour Party and alternative leaders means you've got the choice of Corbyn or an array of Noted Computer Users, terrible Blairites or even less notables. We can pretty much do discussions on 'Corbyn bad (in how he does things)' but that annoyingly doesn't translate into 'Corbyn must go now.' But they do not now, because he is weak, and I don't see why they will in future after he pedantically criticises specific aspects of the Brexit plan without bringing himself and the party to a very clear and strong position on it themselves (and before people blame that on the media, it is not Laura Kuenssberg's fault that his declarations sound like a koan). He needs to work with his own party to find a good new leader, because he isn't cut out for it, and he has to know that on some level.
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Noxville posted:If we could only get people to stop arguing with and then talking about him. If the ignore function was clever enough to also hide posts containing quotes of an ignoree we'd be a lot closer to happy. Also this thread would be like 3 pages long at the end of the month for a bunch of folks.
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jBrereton posted:it is not Laura Kuenssberg's fault that his declarations sound like a koan
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Anyone have any 2017 predictions? 2016 has shown us that we'll inevitably be wrong, but I thought I'd try anyway. These are my predictions, not my suggestions of what I want to happen. UK Article 50 will continue to hit uncertainty, but will ultimately be triggered by the end of March. The plan the Gov publishes won't meet the criteria Keir Starmer set out last year, but in the face of "going against the people", Labour won't vote against it in any meaningful numbers. The vote will be a similar number to the Parliamentary resolution, but with a few more voting against including a couple more joining Ken Clarke as Tory "rebels". It'll get through the Lords, who also fear their own future if they "go against the people". Over the next 9 months there will be occasional snippets of news, mainly centred around how "obstructive" the Europeans are. By the end of the year negotiations will have progressed, but with few details in the public domain. The Government will continue to resist Sadiq Khan's calls to bring London suburban rail under TfL, but will give some ground on Southern and play a more active role in negotiations. By March, a shaky deal will be reached that delays the planned further introduction of driver-operated trains, but with the Unions will warn there may be future strikes if something more permanent isn't agreed. Services will continue to be poo poo. Grayling will remain as Transport Secretary. More broadly, the Tories will retain their general current level of support. People will continue to question Theresa May's leadership, but with a lack of any great alternative, will shrug it off. A couple of resignations over the year (probably related to Brexit) will cause a few more high profile by-elections. The Lib Dems will do well but not in any spectacular fashion. Both Labour and Tories will lose voters, mainly to UKIP but some to the Lib Dems. Corbyn will retain his leadership for at least the first half of the year. He will come under increasing attack, relating to haemorrhaging voters and perceived indifference on Brexit, but commentators will continue to lack any better suggestions. A split in labour is not impossible, with the PLP taking labour back towards a centrist stance, which may attract some voters who see it as a more sensible alternative to the Tories than Corbyn, but ultimately won't result in any huge successes. The wider membership will continue to focus on Momentum-style groupings, with less and less influence over British politics. The Queen will have a few more health "scares", but won't die. She will be less and less visible. At least one major weather event - either unexpected heavy snow in late winter/early spring causing national disruption, or further floods towards the beginning of summer. US Trump will slowly mature into the role, with less frequent Twitter attacks and less focus on more controversial policies, although with the continuing undercurrent of extreme conservatism he and most of his cabinet share. There will be a few major diplomatic incidents along the way, probably with China (but these won't cause any lasting effect). Trump will "talk the talk" about the UN - mainly to cosy up to Russia and Israel, but ultimately the US will continue to use it as it does today. Putin and Trump will have an uncomfortable close relationship. Putin will exploit this to sow further division in Eastern Europe, with possibly even bolder actions in the Baltics such as cyber disruptions, but stopping short of anything considered war-worthy. Ukraine conflict will continue as is, and will continue to attract less and less media attention. Domestically, the Obamacare repeal act will keep some of the protections for the most vulnerable, but will inevitably be a far worse deal for the under-priveleged. Gun controls will be loosened, and some of the progress in State-level marijuana legalisation will be undermined by an increasingly aggressive DEA acting under Federal law, with a few high-profile raids on dispensaries and production facilities. Rest of the World Israel and Palestine will see no severe escalation, nor any meaningful steps towards resolution. Syria will look more positive, with violence continuing but at lower levels, with progress towards a resolution (through the Russia-Iran-Turkey deal) slower-than-hoped-for but at least in the right direction. There will be at least two major terrorist attacks in European cities, but none in the UK. There will be the normal number of terrorist attacks in Africa and Asia, although as always these will get minimal coverage.
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Baron Corbyn posted:They were pacifist for a brief period in the 30s when George Lansbury was in charge. For some reason being pacifist in the 1930s didn't go over too well...
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