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edit: There's a new LP that was posted on the last post of the previous page. Go check it out! --------- I can't watch because I'm on mobile for a few days and mobile youtube has no annotations but I should inform you of something if you're unaware. Youtube is planning to do away with annotations soon in favor of those "cards" and "end scenes" they offer. Except that neither of those allow the functionality of annotations. I don't know when exactly they're removing the ability to create them but you may need to think of a different way to do your subtitles since annotations won't be viable soon. (videos with existing annotations won't see the messages be removed; you just won't be able to add new ones to any videos.)
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Yeah, these aren't annotations, they're subtitles. They're separate. Anyway yeah looks cool, I haven't seen Eris before. The designer really went ham with the alien planet thing though. tiistai fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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FPzero posted:I can't watch because I'm on mobile for a few days and mobile youtube has no annotations but I should inform you of something if you're unaware. Youtube is planning to do away with annotations soon in favor of those "cards" and "end scenes" they offer. Except that neither of those allow the functionality of annotations. I don't know when exactly they're removing the ability to create them but you may need to think of a different way to do your subtitles since annotations won't be viable soon. (videos with existing annotations won't see the messages be removed; you just won't be able to add new ones to any videos.) Thanks for the heads-up. That really sucks for the annotations, especially since there's a number of cool "games" people have made on YouTube, implemented via clickable annotations. I'd be extremely surprised to see subtitles go away though, since Google makes big noise about making their stuff accessible to everyone, and subtitles are a vital accessibility feature. That said, I've fixed the terminology used in my "fake OP".
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You know, people say DMantra's hacks are supposed to be really good graphically, but it always just looks like he fucks up palettes and slams tiles together to me. I mean, look at the palettes in Eris for the non-lab sections. It looks like he just changed colors on some of the tiles without any regard for why certain brightnesses were where they were. The constant use of random tiles to make statues and trees doesn't take into account tile cutoffs, so it just looks like a jumble. Over use of fog types, oversaturation of foreground tiles... His layouts may be inventive, but it's hard to really parse what you're looking at in his hacks.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did take away subtitles. For the longest while it wasn't available on mobile devices. Heck annotations still aren't available on mobile devices. Though I wonder how cards are supposed to replace annotations.
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Kurui Reiten posted:You know, people say DMantra's hacks are supposed to be really good graphically, but it always just looks like he fucks up palettes and slams tiles together to me. I mean, look at the palettes in Eris for the non-lab sections. It looks like he just changed colors on some of the tiles without any regard for why certain brightnesses were where they were. The constant use of random tiles to make statues and trees doesn't take into account tile cutoffs, so it just looks like a jumble. Over use of fog types, oversaturation of foreground tiles... Yeah, since I don't really pay a lot of attention to romhacks (this thread is fun and good though!) I'm not familiar with his work outside of this video, but there's so many really monochrome areas that don't really differentiate well through contrast, and a lot of assets reused in ways sufficiently different from their original context, that I spent most of that video having no idea what was "solid" and it's really disorienting. The elevators with foreground stuff look more like morph ball tunnels, the blue stalagmites look solid, etc. The commentary is really good though so I still very much enjoyed that first episode!
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Kurui Reiten posted:You know, people say DMantra's hacks are supposed to be really good graphically, but it always just looks like he fucks up palettes and slams tiles together to me. This is a valid complaint; there's a reason why I characterized his environments as "artistic" rather than "good".  The confusion about foreground vs. background is also a concern, as is being able to recognize what's a screen transition and what's just a wall. The important thing though is that his hacks are strongly-differentiated from the many, many hacks that have extremely repetitive or otherwise samey environments. There are a lot of hacks where the only especially unique things about a given room are its dimensions and which other rooms it connects to, which makes them hard to navigate because nothing really sticks in your mind. Whereas in Eris (and to a lesser extent, his challenge-mode hack Cliffhanger) most rooms have something significant that helps them be memorable. I can actually navigate Eris without constantly resorting to the map screen to remind myself which way to go. ArashiKurobara posted:The commentary is really good though so I still very much enjoyed that first episode! Thank you! I haven't tried anything exactly like this before, so I welcome constructive criticism. TooMuchAbstraction fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Let's Play Super Metroid: Eris (2012 edition) I need more of this in my life.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Let's Play Super Metroid: Eris (2012 edition) This is an interesting take on the game and I do like the "thoughts" as I did chuckle at a couple points so kudos to that. I do have a couple minor questions though. I saw no map. Is that a "feature" or is that an upgrade in the game? If it's an upgrade, aggravating, but you will at least get it at some point while as a "feature" it would make me not want to play it period. In these kind of games, a map is critical for exploration and backtracking for collection acquisition. Second, did you set the game to hard or is the hack auto hard? I ask only because I know getting only 2 missiles per tank is a hard mode thing and well, you took hefty chunks of damage from normally annoying/mildly dangerous monsters.
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While I don't remember the map thing off the top of my head, the missiles thing was all the rage for a while in Super Metroid hacks. Apparently the idea of Samus becoming a walking death tank made the game seem too easy to a lot of hackers, so they decided to severely limit the amount of missiles and poo poo you got. Additional things that were everywhere for a while included: enemies who did fucktons of damage, including on contact; enemies immune or super resistant to normal shots, so you had to use missiles or shoot them like fifty times; mandatory "hell runs" in Norfair before you got the Varia suit, generally timed so you would only barely have enough energy to make it to the recharge station, provided you didn't get hit or lost momentum; underwater sections pre-Gravity suit that had jumps and such that forced you to make them almost pixel perfectly; breakable/passthru blocks that didn't respond to the X-Ray visor; and broken save systems that meant the game just assumed you were using save states all the time and thus building difficulty around that. Eris 2012 has a lot of that stuff removed for balance, thankfully, and people seemed to let up on that poo poo, or at least made "Easy-type" versions of their hacks that weren't bullshit. Go play the original Super Metroid Redesign, or DMantra's old Super Metroid Cliffhanger, though, if you wanna see all pretty much all that poo poo in abundance.
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Ben Kasack posted:This is an interesting take on the game and I do like the "thoughts" as I did chuckle at a couple points so kudos to that. I do have a couple minor questions though. I saw no map. Is that a "feature" or is that an upgrade in the game? If it's an upgrade, aggravating, but you will at least get it at some point while as a "feature" it would make me not want to play it period. In these kind of games, a map is critical for exploration and backtracking for collection acquisition. Second, did you set the game to hard or is the hack auto hard? I ask only because I know getting only 2 missiles per tank is a hard mode thing and well, you took hefty chunks of damage from normally annoying/mildly dangerous monsters. There is a map, it comes up if you hit start, and we'll see it a few times during the run. It's just not visible as part of the HUD. I kind of question its utility in this hack though, as the entire game is packed into a single "zone" and there's very little unused space. Consequently the map is a mishmash of blue rectangles that all might connect to other blue rectangles but probably don't. Later hacks upgraded the map screen to show doors, but this one doesn't have that functionality.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Go play the original Super Metroid Redesign, or DMantra's old Super Metroid Cliffhanger, though, if you wanna see all pretty much all that poo poo in abundance. Redesign's rebalancing update, called Axiel Edition after the goon that famously LP'd it, was still pretty harsh. Drewseph (the hack author) was on as a guest commenter in at least one episode and they talked about a few of the design decisions he made and the things that can be improved on. I played through Axiel Edition last year and it was still more of a huge chore than it was fun.
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Mak0rz posted:Redesign's rebalancing update, called Axiel Edition after the goon that famously LP'd it, was still pretty harsh. Drewseph (the hack author) was on as a guest commenter in at least one episode and they talked about a few of the design decisions he made and the things that can be improved on. Definitely, but the fact that it was still a substantial improvement despite being a little of a chore should tell you how hosed things used to be.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Definitely, but the fact that it was still a substantial improvement despite being a little of a chore should tell you how hosed things used to be. I played the original Redesign back in 2008 or so. I got burnt out at the Draygon battle but honestly don't remember much different about it apart from the ridiculous suitless Norfair damage race you have to do.
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What I mostly remember about Redesign is that it's ridiculously gigantic. The author invented extra lock-and-key mechanisms just so they could pad out the world, with the net result being that it takes ages to get from anywhere to anywhere else. Then they stuck a bunch of Chozo statues that you have to find to unlock Tourian, like the artifacts in Metroid Prime except there's no hint system to tell you which room to look in. The physics engine was also tweaked, making gravity substantially stronger, the morphball roll much more slowly (coupled with a crapton of morphball mazes), and walljumping was made into an upgrade...and when you get it, it only works on specially-designated walls. I played until the Lost Caverns, which is a Lost Woods-style maze (a room with four exits that all loop indefinitely) that you have to navigate in order to find Phantoon. For some reason that was my breaking point, rather than the many points before that that were also frankly rather bad.
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I do like how visibly distinct the areas are, but is the entire hack this bad in terms of foreground occlusion? It seemed like every other room had some giant thing in the foreground obstructing the screen, and it looks like practically every powerup requires finding which parts of the "walls" are actually just fake foreground objects. When I saw what you had to do to find even the bombs I laughed out loud.
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Eris is extremely unique when it comes to its visuals but that comes at the cost of visual clarity. Sadly, clarity send to take a backseat to making a weird alien aesthetic. It's a super cool aesthetic and I think DMantra nails it but when playing the hack, there is an unfortunate amount of occlusion, you're correct. Someone mentioned that the palettes are not great in places. Back after the hack released in 2009, I remember talking with DMantra about them. He didn't seem interested in fixing up the palettes then and didn't make any updates with the 2012 release either. I remember opening up the rom in the editor and attempting some palette fixes on my own time just to see what could be fixed, but never made it very far. Turns out the weird palettes often allow for the alien aesthetic he pulled off.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What I mostly remember about Redesign is that it's ridiculously gigantic. The author invented extra lock-and-key mechanisms just so they could pad out the world, with the net result being that it takes ages to get from anywhere to anywhere else. Then they stuck a bunch of Chozo statues that you have to find to unlock Tourian, like the artifacts in Metroid Prime except there's no hint system to tell you which room to look in. The newer version is definitely better, but it still has massive issues. Tourian is loving bullshit, with the fifty thousand little morph ball paths you have to take. Plus there are a few things you have to shoot to turn off the death beams that, if shot in the wrong order, will just loving reset themselves with no indication you hosed up. It's not fun. Mzbundifund posted:I do like how visibly distinct the areas are, but is the entire hack this bad in terms of foreground occlusion? It seemed like every other room had some giant thing in the foreground obstructing the screen, and it looks like practically every powerup requires finding which parts of the "walls" are actually just fake foreground objects. When I saw what you had to do to find even the bombs I laughed out loud. That's sort of DMantra's thing. If I wasn't a terrible person who would abandon it five minutes in, I would do a quick LP of Cliffhanger Easy Type, just to show it. I'd like to temper this stuff, though, by saying they're not BAD hacks, they're just kind of ugly. I feel like a lot of the art could be fixed with some palette changes. I'm too lazy to do them for the gently caress of it though.
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Hmm I don't know... The hack looks really noisy, cramped and unclear about what is what (floor, foreground object, empty space, etc). It's very messy and several of the palettes don't look too great. e: beaten, I guess this stuff is redundant.
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Incidentally, if you're curious about Super Metroid hacks, probably the best place to find more info and downloads is The "Completed Stuff" subforum on Metroid Construction. Each hack has a thread where you can download the patch, read reviews, and ask for help if you get stuck. Here's some quick overviews of more notable hacks: Cliffhanger: DigitalMantra's previous effort, intended as a "challenge" hack (think the more infamous SMW hacks and you're on the right track). There's an "easy" variant that removes most of the spikes and acid and so on, but it's still quite hard and suffers from a lack of adequate signposting, so you'll spend a lot of time wandering. Phazon: play as Dark Samus! Has some neat environments including an "ocean", and I don't remember it being too punishing or badly-designed. Hyper: a pretty decent hack that's mostly notable for making fairly substantial engine tweaks, so you can respin in jumps, speedboost in morphball, trigger Samus' damage animation at will as an ersatz backflip, combine the Spazer/Plasma beams, etc. Rotation: it's normal Super Metroid, just rotated by 90 degrees. Was run at AGDQ 2017. Super Zero Mission: notionally a remake of Metroid Zero Mission in Super Metroid, but is mostly just a Super Metroid hack that's thematically inspired by MZM. The maps are too big and the way to proceed isn't always terribly obvious, but it has the best Tourian I've ever played.
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There's also a rando (linked to in the randomizer thread I've linked previously), but honestly I think the appeal of Super Metroid is mostly in watching people speedrun randos, at this point, especially when they're racing. Incidentally, the FF6 Beyond Chaos guy's working on a FF4 rando now, which might be amusing when it's more featureful.
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The original edition of the Romhackeria had an LP of Redesign. It's chock-full of bullshit, some of which hasn't even been posted about here (the mandatory water part of Maridia with no Gravity Suit, the entire escape sequence after Mother Brain, probably more). Eris looks tame by comparison so far, but it still has the 2-missile upgrades.
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get that OUT of my face posted:The original edition of the Romhackeria had an LP of Redesign. It's chock-full of bullshit, some of which hasn't even been posted about here (the mandatory water part of Maridia with no Gravity Suit, the entire escape sequence after Mother Brain, probably more). Eris looks tame by comparison so far, but it still has the 2-missile upgrades. There's a new edition of Redesign out that's supposedly easier. http://beta.metroidconstruction.com/hack.php?id=205
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I've played a little bit of Eris and drat does it love punishing exploration in the early game. I restarted a good dozen times before bombs just from taking morphball tunnels that proved nigh impossible to get back out of.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What I mostly remember about Redesign is that it's ridiculously gigantic. The author invented extra lock-and-key mechanisms just so they could pad out the world, with the net result being that it takes ages to get from anywhere to anywhere else. Then they stuck a bunch of Chozo statues that you have to find to unlock Tourian, like the artifacts in Metroid Prime except there's no hint system to tell you which room to look in. Isn't one of the things in Redesign that it forces you to run through large parts of Norfair without the varia suit? I know that was a really bad bit of design in one of these hacks, but I wasn't sure which one it was from.
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XavierGenisi posted:Isn't one of the things in Redesign that it forces you to run through large parts of Norfair without the varia suit? I know that was a really bad bit of design in one of these hacks, but I wasn't sure which one it was from. As I stated before: multiple hacks did it, along with Gravity-less Maridia. The idea was essentially "make these suits more of a reward by making you deal with the hazard beforehand", but it usually ended up being "hinder the player for an extended period of time and trade fun for frustration". Also, it kinda confuses me how it seems like no one has swapped the suit order, giving you Gravity first to make water areas navigable, and then Varia later for fire and lava. Or even reskinning the "hot" areas into ice or something and making the Varia suit help against extreme conditions like cold as well. I mean, Fusion did it. At this point, I'm pretty sure ASM patches would let you swap Gravity and Varia, and there are a variety of other environments you could have them protect against instead of the same fire/water duo. Kurui Reiten fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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The new version of Redesign turns the suitless sections into optional speed strats but the other paths sound long and annoying.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Also, it kinda confuses me how it seems like no one has swapped the suit order, giving you Gravity first to make water areas navigable, and then Varia later for fire and lava. The Gravity Suit as implemented in Super Metroid is a near-total replacement for Varia; if you have it you take no damage from heat rooms or lava (which Varia doesn't protect against), and you take even more reduced damage from enemies and hazards compared to Varia. The only exception is that Mother Brain's rainbow beam is only mitigated by Varia; if you don't have it then you'll be taking 6 tanks of damage instead of 3. That's literally the only reason it's picked up in speedruns, which grab Gravity early. Doing the swap as you propose would require the hacker to change basically all of that, or else Varia wouldn't really be an upgrade when you find it. Unfortunately, ASM hacking in Super Metroid is not very advanced compared to other games. I'm not saying it couldn't be done; obviously it could be. But nobody has yet. dis astranagant posted:I've played a little bit of Eris and drat does it love punishing exploration in the early game. I restarted a good dozen times before bombs just from taking morphball tunnels that proved nigh impossible to get back out of. That's odd, I don't think I've encountered something like that. It'd have to be a morphball tunnel that drops you down a gap that's only 2 or 3 tiles wide; anything taller and you can jump into a midair morph to get back up it. Can you describe the areas you ran into that were giving you trouble?
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Kurui Reiten posted:Also, it kinda confuses me how it seems like no one has swapped the suit order, giving you Gravity first to make water areas navigable, and then Varia later for fire and lava. Or even reskinning the "hot" areas into ice or something and making the Varia suit help against extreme conditions like cold as well. I mean, Fusion did it. At this point, I'm pretty sure ASM patches would let you swap Gravity and Varia, and there are a variety of other environments you could have them protect against instead of the same fire/water duo. It's because Gravity Suit, when obtained, gives the player all the benefits of Varia Suit too. Even if you never had Varia, you will suddenly be heatproof. There's a patch to separate the effects now but I don't think any major hacks have taken advantage of it yet, or if there are some they have not been released yet.
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FPzero posted:It's because Gravity Suit, when obtained, gives the player all the benefits of Varia Suit too. Even if you never had Varia, you will suddenly be heatproof. There's a patch to separate the effects now but I don't think any major hacks have taken advantage of it yet, or if there are some they have not been released yet. Oh, I know, but what I mean is just that it's taken so long for anyone to get to this point of even trying it. Regardless, though, a simple reskinning of the areas that Varia protects against could be interesting, but no one seemed to bother with that.
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slowbeef has a video up of "conker's high rule tail" doesn't sound like he likes it
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Hemingway To Go! posted:slowbeef has a video up of "conker's high rule tail" Yeah I'm gonna need someone to bite the bullet and LP this because  doesn't even begin to cover this trainwreck
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 They're all short! But also good. This is pretty indicative of Mountain World (with one exception).
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FPzero posted:
I was really digging Coconut Ruins, I was bummed when it just kind of up and quit 
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Are people given their level's theme world when they enter or are the levels categorized after the fact?
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In some previous years the themes were assigned but for vldc9 people were able to make what they wanted and the categories were made after the fact.
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There's a lot that dump you into spaces where you have a ceiling about half your height above you and that's all the room you have to make your midair morph. Probably not impossible but I'm not a machine.
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I'm pretty sure you can go under 100 seconds multiple times in vanilla with the time-boosting berries from the final Special World level. E: Yeah, the green berries in Funky. This video's not great but it shows it off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIAEoAlSc8Y AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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So now we know the FP in FPzero stands for Football player
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