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I'm really bummed that twice now Comedy Central gets rid of the more interesting show after the Daily Show first with The Nightly Show and now The Opposition. Always around the time when it's insanely politically and culturally relevant.
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The nightly show was loving awful and the opposition’s gimmick has worn really thin.
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Jun 28, 2018 05:07
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I enjoyed The Nightly Show. It took a bit to find it's legs though.
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Jun 28, 2018 13:24
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GreenNight posted:I enjoyed The Nightly Show. It took a bit to find it's legs though. The Nightly Show had good episodes, when it really wanted to. The problem was Larry Wilmore seems like he was deep into trying to give his comedian buddies breaks on his show but none of them were any good and had shitall to say about most of the topics. I can't really get into the opposition. I like Klepper but he's not Stephen Colbert and I'm not sure trying to make another Colbert-like character is going to work when the world is literally on fire.
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Jun 28, 2018 14:01
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Nightly Show was more interesting to discuss because of all of its rough edges. I can't say it was a good show. It was frequently dreadful. But I would have liked to have seen how Larry would have took on the Trump presidency, Kanye, Dennis Rodman in the Singapore Summit, Black Panther, BBQ Becky, and Permit Patty.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:23
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That's essentially why they ended the show, farce doesn't work anymore. I think his new show will be better suited to what's going on now.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:26
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Echo Chamber posted:Nightly Show was more interesting to discuss because of all of its rough edges. I can't say it was a good show. It was frequently dreadful. He has a podcast, you can find out.
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Jun 28, 2018 23:58
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A lot of the parts of The Nightly Show were better than the whole. Some of the comedy skits.. just kind of sucked. I liked very few of the Ricky Velez skits. It gave me Franchesca Ramsey. I will forever be thankful for that, I didn't know about her before. All of her stuff was pretty amazing. The panel was.. usually the worst. Sometimes they'd have on great guests, but no one every got time to really say anything. A snippet here, and there, and boom. Moving on. And some people just had trash opinions, and there wasn't enough time to really refute those ideas. They they had on good guests, they never had enough time to really explain. It was just too short of a segment to be of any good.
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Jun 29, 2018 05:05
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PicklePants posted:A lot of the parts of The Nightly Show were better than the whole. This was pretty much it. A discussion among comedians cracking jokes in-between trying to have a serious conversation can work, but not really between like 5 people on a 30-minute show, that's really 22 minutes without commercials, and even less when you take out the intro/outro and any skits, etc. I think I was mostly interested in TNS because it reminded me of Tough Crowd (and I guess also to an extent Bill Maher's shows.)
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Jun 29, 2018 09:35
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Atomizer posted:This was pretty much it. A discussion among comedians cracking jokes in-between trying to have a serious conversation can work, but not really between like 5 people on a 30-minute show, that's really 22 minutes without commercials, and even less when you take out the intro/outro and any skits, etc. I think I was mostly interested in TNS because it reminded me of Tough Crowd (and I guess also to an extent Bill Maher's shows.) Maher can get sort of real guests though, so his show's panel format works a bit better. Aside from Bill Maher being a part of it of course.
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Jun 29, 2018 14:29
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PicklePants posted:The panel was.. usually the worst. Sometimes they'd have on great guests, but no one every got time to really say anything. A snippet here, and there, and boom. Moving on. And some people just had trash opinions, and there wasn't enough time to really refute those ideas. They they had on good guests, they never had enough time to really explain. It was just too short of a segment to be of any good.
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Jun 29, 2018 14:33
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JazzFlight posted:The panel about space featuring Neil deGrasse Tyson and two idiot comedians was one of the frustrating things to watch and completely turned me off to the show. It was actively hurting the cause of science/knowledge to air that garbage. Oh god now I'm remembering the episode where that guy from Blackish goes all anti-vax in the most ignorant way. "injecting yourself with a disease?! That's crazy!!!" 
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Jun 29, 2018 15:51
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That, or the one panel about... I think it was the death penalty? Whatever the subject was, it led to one of the show's regulars making what might have been the most uncomfortable prison rape joke I have ever heard and getting zero push-back from anyone at the table.  e: it was the Boston Bombing episode about what to do with Tsarnaev, and I completely forgot Alex Wagner was there just desperately trying to take the issue seriously. Generic American fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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Jun 29, 2018 15:53
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Some people must have worn rose tinted glasses watching the nightly show panels because they ranged from "meh" to "inducing large amounts of legit outrage" due to some of the stupidity mentioned above. I do not miss the sound of Larry laughing at his own jokes at the end of every sentence.
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Jun 29, 2018 17:23
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IRQ posted:Oh god now I'm remembering the episode where that guy from Blackish goes all anti-vax in the most ignorant way. "injecting yourself with a disease?! That's crazy!!!" Wasn't there also one with Bill Nye just being told repeatedly to gently caress off by two deeply unfunny comedians? I do think a twenty minute "gently caress it lets just grab some comedians and guests" panel show would make an ideal companion to TDS. Then again Im really liking what Trevor Noah has done with the Daily Show, and I know a bunch of y'all disagree.
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Jun 30, 2018 00:16
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I watched a tds clip for the first time in a really long time and it was loving dire. They need to beg Stewart back or replace Noah with someone who might be able to pull off a joke or ideally just shitcan it.
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Jun 30, 2018 02:19
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Last night's TDS was pretty good. Episodes where Trevor doesn't have to talk much directly about Trump or US politics are often much better.
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Jul 19, 2018 21:32
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Yeah, the French seem just pleased as punch with him right now.
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Jul 19, 2018 22:45
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Echo Chamber posted:Last night's TDS was pretty good. To be fair to Trevor, poo poo gets so much more insane with every passing day that it's hard not to talk about whatever he hosed up in the past 24-48 hours.
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Jul 19, 2018 23:10
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PicklePants posted:A lot of the parts of The Nightly Show were better than the whole. I almost always skip the interviews in everything and the panel was no exception. If you kept it as a 11-15 minute show it was p good though.
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Jul 20, 2018 04:21
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1022209875340877824 https://twitter.com/robinthede/status/1022211316071718912 https://twitter.com/robinthede/status/1022222836780466177 https://twitter.com/robinthede/status/1022292110022725633 Shame. I watched every episode and it was good. Imagine the best parts of Nightly or Full Frontal but without any of the crap I hated from those shows. Edit: Here's the one gif I made from the show 
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Jul 26, 2018 06:13
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I can't believe this thread is so dead that the host can have a minor scandal without it even being posted. Is it Trevor or is this just the wrong show for our Brave New World?
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Jul 26, 2018 09:48
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I didn't know it happened. I usually watch TDS the following day. That's a pretty nasty joke.
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Jul 26, 2018 10:09
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jojoinnit posted:I can't believe this thread is so dead that the host can have a minor scandal without it even being posted. Is it Trevor or is this just the wrong show for our Brave New World? Is this something other than him taking poo poo for calling the french soccer team african?
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Jul 26, 2018 15:59
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IRQ posted:Is this something other than him taking poo poo for calling the french soccer team african? Looks like he's taking heat for a years-old joke about Aborigines. Maybe the alt-right is trying to claim another scalp.
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Jul 26, 2018 16:02
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IRQ posted:Is this something other than him taking poo poo for calling the french soccer team african? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/trevor-noah-refuses-to-apologise-for-joke-about-indigenous-women/10038876 The Daily Show hasn't been relevant since Jon Stewart now that there's so many other political shows out there that don't have this walking PR timebomb attached to them. Even after repeatedly checking back in with his show over the months/years, Trevor still never clicked with me. I don't know why they decided to go with him in the first place. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jul 26, 2018 16:03
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Hooo boy there's really no defending that joke, it just keeps getting somehow worse at it goes.
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Jul 26, 2018 16:12
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And he doesn't defend it, at least.
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Jul 26, 2018 18:05
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Propaganda Machine posted:And he doesn't defend it, at least. The Article I posted:Asked if he would apologise for any hurt caused, Noah said: "Well, my question is, how many times will people ask for the same thing? And come on, what loving planet do you come from where you don't innately realize that making fun of a race of people for being ugly is inappropriate? "Oh, I guess some people with other value systems think that's racist! I still don't, but I'll stop making the joke!" It's like he didn't really learn anything. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jul 26, 2018 18:48
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Maybe I'm just misreading this, but it doesn't actually look like that's what he said to me. The joke according to the article goesABC posted:"All women of every race can be beautiful," Noah says in the clip, which has since been removed from YouTube. That sounds more like he was saying all women of every race can be beautiful and you can't really say all women of a particular ethnicity or nationality or whatever are ugly because you'll never see all of them; but that it's not always about looks regardless of whether you believe that or not. Now, the didgeridoo thing it describes afterwards sounds kind of shaky anyway but it doesn't read to me like he was ever saying all aboriginal women are ugly. Or I'm just failing to grasp some part of I guess.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:12
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Sorry I didn't read your link, but that kinda jives with what I did read. It was something along the lines of, he's grown up since then and would never make that joke today. What you posted does essentially say "deal with it," and is certainly not an apology, but I also think it's not exactly a defense of the joke. I don't think it needs much arguing that younger Trevor was a jackass, but jackasses belong in comedy and his personal history makes me curious about what he has to say at least. Then again, I am indeed thick skinned with this stuff.
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Jul 26, 2018 19:13
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It's just that it's such a mean-spirited joke that is fully punching down, and 2013 wasn't long ego enough that that's any sort of excuse. e: i get that he's taking some kind of stance like you can't apologize for every joke you tell as a comedian or it'll just never end but that's the kind of copout people like Bill Maher used when he decided to casually drop an n-bomb. IRQ fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jul 26, 2018 |
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Jul 26, 2018 21:09
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Yeah, this isn't even a non-apology apology. And in general I'm getting sick of seeing these stories play out the same way and not having people simply just doing what they can to diffuse it. I'm a Simpsons fan and I already had to deal with the show doubling down on their Apu poo poo weeks ago. I watch TDS mostly out of force of habit. I'm more of a Daily Show fan than a Trevor Noah fan. His run on the show has been... alright? I still wouldn't mind someone better. I'm less and less inclined to give comedians the benefit of the doubt whenever another controversy like this pops up, considering how rhetoric regarding free speech and the PC police have been weaponized by the Right. I'm not a comedian so I don't feel like audiences have a inherent responsibility of empathizing with media personalities all the time and intimately understanding their supposed nuanced positions on off-color humor.
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Jul 26, 2018 21:50
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jojoinnit posted:I can't believe this thread is so dead that the host can have a minor scandal without it even being posted. Is it Trevor or is this just the wrong show for our Brave New World? I imagine I'd probably be sick of Jon Stewart too if he were still doing it, but the oversaturation of "comedians taking on the news" shows and the fact that satire has been brutally murdered by the absurdity of everyday reality are definitely contributing factors.
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Jul 27, 2018 01:22
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Even though we're over-saturated with with Trump-era satire, I feel like there's still an unexploited opening. I've seen none of these shows aggressively trying to channel the political wave that's propelled Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez, which I think could easily make a comedy show about current events stand out. Trevor is relatively young, but his world view still somewhat disconnected from the political mood of radicalized (gulp) millennials. Trevor is making his show generally inoffensive for liberal audiences. Most of these shows largely avoid the Liberal/Left schism for understandable reasons, which extend beyond merely keeping the eye-on-the-ball with Trump. Criticizing the Democratic party and capitalism in general are obviously very touchy subjects, but if we're going to have a dozen comedy shows on TV about politics anyway, it'd be nice if one did that.
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Jul 27, 2018 01:48
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Who gives a poo poo about the joke. Comedians constantly cross lines, that's kinda their schtick.
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Jul 27, 2018 02:03
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It just kind of upsets me that this honestly non issue would be conflated with alt-right propaganda. By American standards I'm dangerously socialist, and in my mind that sentiment tells me that they have won. It was a bad joke. Sorry?
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Jul 27, 2018 04:53
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I love most of the Daily Show's corespondents. Roy Wood Jr. always puts out quality pieces, as does Hasan. I feel, lately, Noah's been really heavily relying upon his Trump Voice. Yeah, there's a lot of Trump stuff, but we need a fresher way to tackle some of this stuff. Some new bits.
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Jul 27, 2018 06:30
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Jon definitely had that habit too, which is a weird sort of carryover. In the year leading up to his announcement that he was leaving the show, it seemed like every other episode he would find any possible excuse to break out his "Jersey mobster" impression and it drove me absolutely nuts.
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It's weird how Noah's Trump impression has changed but not gotten better. When he started, he sounded exactly like Bernie Sanders. Now it doesn't sound like anyone really. Colbert's impression isn't much better, but less annoying.
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