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On Jan. 3, the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced its 15 finalists for the class of 2017. The final class will be revealed the day before the Super Bowl. To be elected, a finalist must receive at least 80 percent support from the Board, with at least four, but no more than eight, candidates being elected. The Selection Committee has already inducted three members (Kenny Easley, Senior Nominee; Jerry Jones, Paul Tagliabue, Contributors), so only five members from this year's finalist class can get in. Here's the complete list of finalists. Morten Andersen, kicker (Saints/Falcons/Giants/Chiefs/Vikings 1982-2004) 4th year on final ballot. 7 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 1980s and 1990s. Tony Boselli, offensive tackle (Jaguars 1995-2001) 1st year on final ballot. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. Isaac Bruce, wide receiver (Rams 1994-2007, 49ers 2008-09) 1st year on final ballot. 4 Pro Bowls. Don Coryell, coach (Rams/Chargers, 1973-86) 4th year on final ballot. Terrell Davis, running back (Broncos, 1995-2001) 3rd year on final ballot. 3 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. 1998 MVP, 2-time Offensive Player of the Year (1996, 1998). Brian Dawkins, safety (Eagles 1996-2008, Broncos 2009-11) 1st year on final ballot. 9 Pro Bowls, 4 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Alan Faneca, guard (Steelers 1998-2007, Jets 2008-09, Cardinals 2010) 2nd year on final ballot. 9 Pro Bowls, 6 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Joe Jacoby, offensive tackle (Washington 1981-1993) 2nd year on final ballot. 4 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 1980s. Ty Law, cornerback (Patriots 1995-2004, Chiefs 2006-07, Jets 2005 and 2008, Broncos 2009) 1st year on final ballot. 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. John Lynch, safety (Bucs 1993-2003, Broncos 2004-07) 4th year on final ballot. 9 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Kevin Mawae, center/guard (Seahawks 1994-97, Jets 1998-2005, Titans 2006-09) 1st year on final ballot. 8 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Terrell Owens, wide receiver (49ers 1996-2003, Eagles 2004-05, Cowboys 2006-08, Bills 2009, Bengals 2010) 2nd year on final ballot. 6 Pro Bowls, 5 All-Pro Teams. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Jason Taylor, defensive end (Dolphins 1997-2007, 2009, 2011; Washington 2008, Jets 2010) 1st year on final ballot. 6 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. 2006 Defensive Player of the Year. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. LaDainian Tomlinson, running back (Chargers 2001-09, Jets 2010-11) 1st year on final ballot. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro Teams. 2006 MVP, 2006 Offensive Player of the Year. Named to All-Decade Team of 2000s. Kurt Warner, quarterback (Rams 1998-2003, Giants 2004, Cardinals 2005-09) 3rd year on final ballot. 4 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro Teams. 2-time MVP (1999, 2001).
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Tomlinson Coryell Warner Owens Dawkins If Coryell doesn't get in now, he never will
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Jan 4, 2017 06:06
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LaDainian Tomlinson Terrell Owens Jason Taylor Brian Dawkins Don Coryell You should add that Tony Boselli was selected to the National Football League 1990s All-Decade Team. 
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Jan 4, 2017 07:20
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LaDainian Tomlinson Don Coryell Brian Dawkins Jason Taylor Kurt Warner LdT is a lock, why make him wait. Coryell should have been in twenty years ago and it's a loving shame he's not. Dawkins and Taylor were awesome for extended periods and I'd put them in out of this group, but I'm not sure both will get voted in as first ballot guys over some of the others. Warner I think could have gone in either of the previous two years, but this seems like his best chance to get in. Of the rest, I'm all for letting kickers/special teamers in, so I'd be fine with Morten at almost any time. Boselli and Davis both seem like the kinds of guys who slip in as senior nominees twenty years down the line (Or if they ever increase the amount of people they induct per year), but I probably wouldn't put them in over most of the other guys here. Issac Bruce was really good for a long time, but I think his case is only a bit better than Boselli and Davis. Terrell Owens should get in before Bruce, and I'd be fine with him over anyone but Tomlinson or Coryell, but I still think the dumb narratives and sports writer/voter vengeance bullshit against his character/antics will hold him up for a while, sadly. Faneca, Mawae, Law, and Lynch I think are all worthy at some point, so I wouldn't be upset if any of them get in this year, I just wouldn't go with them first. Joe Jacoby I have no feelings about one way or another, he's got the benefit of being on all the Redskins Super Bowl teams and the whole Hogs thing going for him, but then again it's taken him this long to get this far in the process, so who knows... fartknocker fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 07:37
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I'm curious where Bruce will stand in the voting. His resume is certainly HOF-worthy, but I have a feeling he'll get stuck in the same logjam that plagues every WR of this current generation. E: Here's my 5-man ballot, not based on my feelings but how I feel the committee will go. It's much tougher wittling down the candidates than I expected. Tomlinson Owens Coryell Warner Dawkins LdT is the biggest slam dunk since Favre last year. The voters made TO wait a year which is dumb, but in the wake of backlash against the "No Fun League" celebration rules, I think they give him his proper due. Regarding Coryell, as Ross said, it's now or never and I think the voters know that. Warner's peak was too huge to ignore, and he had a peak with two teams. So it comes down to that fifth and final spot. You could make easy arguments for either Dawkins or Taylor. I think both guys are HOF-worthy, but in the end it comes down to Dawkins having the more highlight hits and playing on prolific Eagles playoff teams, while Taylor toiled with the mediocre Dolphins. Ehud won't like that argument, but I'm just trying to rationalize from the committee's side, and not my own opinion. Please don't hate me, Phins posters. 
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Jan 4, 2017 07:50
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Benne posted:I'm curious where Bruce will stand in the voting. His resume is certainly HOF-worthy, but I have a feeling he'll get stuck in the same logjam that plagues every WR of this current generation.
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Jan 4, 2017 07:56
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Is Morten ever gonna get in or are voters just using him as a token "we care about kickers" vote while they wait for Vinatieri to become eligible?
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Jan 4, 2017 08:04
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How was Kurt not a 1st ballot HOFer? Guy went undrafted then went from stocking groceries to winning MVP and super bowl. Plus he married a single-mom before he was famous and didn't leave her after he found success.
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Jan 4, 2017 09:03
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qkkl posted:How was Kurt not a 1st ballot HOFer? Guy went undrafted then went from stocking groceries to winning MVP and super bowl. Plus he married a single-mom before he was famous and didn't leave her after he found success. First ballot HoF guys are guys that have sustained greatness over a long period of time. Warner was a real peak and valley guy
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Jan 4, 2017 09:18
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qkkl posted:How was Kurt not a 1st ballot HOFer? Guy went undrafted then went from stocking groceries to winning MVP and super bowl. Plus he married a single-mom before he was famous and didn't leave her after he found success. He had a sharp decline period after his first peak, which led many to declare him a one-off. Then he went to the Cardinals and was awesome again, so it strengthened his case. I don't really have a hot take on Warner either way, but if you buy into the theory that the HOF should be about the "Fame" part, then it's hard to argue keeping him out. Kurt Warner truly had one of the most fascinating careers of the modern era.
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Jan 4, 2017 10:59
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I hope those fuckers put in LdT, TO, Warner, Dawkins and Coryell
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Jan 4, 2017 11:59
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qkkl posted:How was Kurt not a 1st ballot HOFer? Guy went undrafted then went from stocking groceries to winning MVP and super bowl. Plus he married a single-mom before he was famous and didn't leave her after he found success. Not sure what any of that besides MVP and Super Bowl have to do with the hall of fame.
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Jan 4, 2017 12:39
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If JT isn't first ballot then I'll kill my self blood will be on your hands, sportswriter for random newspaper
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Jan 4, 2017 12:57
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Anyone but noted loser Coryell.
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Jan 4, 2017 15:36
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TO should be a lock this year. Jerry Rice is the greatest to step onto the field, but TO & Moss are basically 2A and 2B right behind him.
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Jan 4, 2017 16:16
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Am I misremembering or did Faneca play most his career at tackle?
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Jan 4, 2017 17:20
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swickles posted:Am I misremembering or did Faneca play most his career at tackle? FWIW, PFR has him at left guard every single season, with a few games at center in 1999 and left tackle in 2003.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:27
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swickles posted:Am I misremembering or did Faneca play most his career at tackle? Faneca played the vast majority of his career at LG.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:36
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Benne posted:Is Morten ever gonna get in or are voters just using him as a token "we care about kickers" vote while they wait for Vinatieri to become eligible? No one cares about kickers or pretending to care about kickers.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:36
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Mort - greatest NFL player ever. Lock. Boselli - get lost Bruce - Peak, longevity, great on good & bad teams, lots of high profile games, championship. Lock. Coryell - I don't like the fact that they have players and coaches elected from the same pool. It's a bad system. Add in the fact that he's better recognized as a contributor than a Hall of Fame Head coach, and the fact that he's dead - Pass. Davis - Has an awesome spot in Denver sports history. Broncos ring of honor guy. Respectful pass. Dawkins - the most versatile safety I've ever seen. Ed Reed deep safety with smarts plus corner cover skills, but with size and Ronnie Lott's love of contact... could man up on outside receivers, play deep, tackled Barry Sanders in the open field, incredible blitz timing, forced fumbles at a rate unseen in any other safety. Incredible generational player, the kind of guy the Hall was built to honor. Lock. Faneca - Faneca was special. Smooth, tough, great finisher, awesome off the ball, awesome pull guard with some of the best feet I've ever seen, loved watching him play. Lock. Law - I've been thinking about it and I feel pretty comfortable with Law's case. I think guys on dynastic/legendary teams need to be scrutinized especially hard... but Law was a great playmaker, had longevity, shut down the likes of Marvin Harrison. He can wait a little while, but Lock. Jacoby - Never saw Jacoby. The kind of guy who needs to be extra scrutinized because of the teams he was a part of, but won't be and may eventually squirm his way in. Dr. Z liked him as a run blocking tackle who loved to finish, but had a lot more praise for the likes of Mike Kenn - who didn't the good fortune to play on the 80s Skins. Pass. Lynch - Really good player, I personally see him as a borderline guy who gets a little extra glow from being on that Bucs team and his high media profile. Being in the same class as Dawk isn't doing him any favors. At the same time I wouldn't be outraged if they enshrined one of the best downhill safeties ever. Lock. Mawae - Lock. Owens - Try and think of players in the league right now who look like T.O. when you watch them. Lock. Taylor - I think the DPOY clinched him a spot. There were times watching Taylor when he looked like the most dominant player in the league, and times when he looked like just a guy. I'm fine with him getting in eventually though, Lock. Tomlinson - Lock. Warner - 2008 locked him in. If I could pick five, I'd go Bruce, Ladainian, Dawk, TO, Warner. I don't love inducting two WRs but I feel like you just need to get these guys in there now to make things easier down the line.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:37
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I really have no idea why Coryell isn't in already. Guy created the passing system that literally every team uses or uses a variation of.
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Jan 4, 2017 19:05
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Terrel owens was on the Seahwks
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Jan 4, 2017 19:14
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Terrel owens was on the Seahwks Just like Jerry Rice was on the Broncos
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Jan 4, 2017 19:29
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joe jacoby's claim to fame is getting bitched by LT every time they played together
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Jan 4, 2017 19:38
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corn on the cop posted:joe jacoby's claim to fame is getting bitched by LT every time they played together Which was the reason why the Skins traded for Jim Lachey in 1988, basically. Now if there's a Redskin o-lineman from that era that really deserves to be in the HoF, there ya go.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:00
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qkkl posted:How was Kurt not a 1st ballot HOFer? Guy went undrafted then went from stocking groceries to winning MVP and super bowl. Plus he married a single-mom before he was famous and didn't leave her after he found success. He's going to get in for sure. I don't think many people are deadset against him, but there's good reason why there's some apprehension, and I don't mind that he's not 1st ballot. Elephanthead posted:No one cares about kickers or pretending to care about kickers.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:03
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Darth Brooks posted:I really have no idea why Coryell isn't in already. Guy created the passing system that literally every team uses or uses a variation of. If he gets in Coryell would easily have the weakest resume of any modern era head coach in the Hall.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:30
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I'm hoping most people recognize Warner's troubles in NY were probably due to a ton of concussions from hits taken in the st louis system. Back then concussions weren't a 'thing' but it's pretty obvious that's why he couldn't do anything for a while
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Jan 4, 2017 20:39
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mastershakeman posted:I'm hoping most people recognize Warner's troubles in NY were probably due to a ton of concussions from hits taken in the st louis system. Back then concussions weren't a 'thing' but it's pretty obvious that's why he couldn't do anything for a while He got concussed some, but him trying to play through a broken thumb was what really did him in for the Rams. (and IIRC that was why he always played with gloves on for the rest of his career after that) He didn't even play that badly for the Giants either; he took a shitload of sacks but they were pretty firmly in contention for a playoff berth before Eli got put in and tanked the rest of their year.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:49
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mastershakeman posted:I'm hoping most people recognize Warner's troubles in NY were probably due to a ton of concussions from hits taken in the st louis system. Back then concussions weren't a 'thing' but it's pretty obvious that's why he couldn't do anything for a while Playing bad football from too many concussions doesn't seem like a positive hall of fame talent.
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Jan 4, 2017 20:50
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DNS posted:If he gets in Coryell would easily have the weakest resume of any modern era head coach in the Hall. That's why he should be included as a contributer, but the hall is dumb
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Jan 4, 2017 21:09
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Why does Leroy Butler keep getting snubbed despite having better stats than Lynch?
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Jan 4, 2017 23:05
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safeties are historically overlooked by the committee. leroy butler had a better peak and lynch had the longevity. also john lynch is a white folk hero.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:09
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corn on the cop posted:also john lynch is a white folk hero. There it is.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:14
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Lynch was maybe the 6th most important member of that defense. In general I think writers are pretty clueless to safety play the same way they are on offensive line play and will either go with the name (which is hard to get if you aren't a high draft pick) or just pick someone from a good defense. You can have guys like Roy Williams, Brandon Meriweather, etc. be highly rated while being negative value to their teams.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:45
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I hope Lynch gets in but I hope all Bucs finalists get in 
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Jan 4, 2017 23:47
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Steve Atwater is going to be waiting forever.
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Jan 4, 2017 23:51
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They haven't put in a safety after Lott, who started off as a CB himself. That's a lot of time in between him and Dawkins. You can count Rod Woodson who converted later in his career but that seems like cheating. So one Hall of Fame safety since the beginning of the 80's, although that's going to change in a hurry with Dawkins, Reed and Polamalu up soon.
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Jan 5, 2017 00:10
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I haven't taken a look at all the finalists yet but please put Don Coryell in, if only because this entry on his wikipedia page is so sad: "The Professional Football Researchers Association named Coryell to the PRFA Hall of Very Good Class of 2010"
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corn on the cop posted:Steve Atwater is going to be waiting forever. I have a feeling he's going to be one of those guys who gets reappraised in like 15 years and goes in as a Senior Inductee. Benne fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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