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Mind_Taker posted:Wikipedia says 1,075,206 R to 1,306,384 D. the abortion of justice isn't control of the virginia house of delegates being determined by coin flip, it's control of the virginia house of delegate being determined by coin flip after votes went 200,000 in favor of democratic candidates
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Venuz Patrol posted:the abortion of justice isn't control of the virginia house of delegates being determined by coin flip, it's control of the virginia house of delegate being determined by coin flip after votes went 200,000 in favor of democratic candidates The good news is that the biggest win has already been won: the GOP won't be able to gerrymander VA again in 2020. Everything on top of that is icing.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:09
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This whole situation is a loving mess. Obviously I hope we win the coin flip ( ), and I hope Northam goes through with the plan regardless, but if we lose, I'm hoping he doubles down hard on the "Appoint GOP delegates/senators to useless administrative posts to force special elections" move. What a loving travesty.
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Dec 21, 2017 03:52
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Why did anyone assume the result would be anything but the most ridiculous one?
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Dec 21, 2017 05:07
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Lprsti99 posted:This whole situation is a loving mess. Obviously I hope we win the coin flip ( Why would they accept those appointments? Sounds like a pipe dream.
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Dec 21, 2017 06:34
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yronic heroism posted:Why would they accept those appointments? Sounds like a pipe dream. Greed? They pay a lot more.
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Dec 21, 2017 06:49
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yronic heroism posted:Why would they accept those appointments? Sounds like a pipe dream. In addition to Sanguinia posted:Greed? They pay a lot more. , people earlier in the thread guessed that they might because of worry that the wave will continue, making some of the seats questionable-to-potentially-unfavorable reelection-wise come the next election in 2 years. Also presumably because the governorship is a term of four years, not only would they get paid more, but they'd get paid for longer before having to worry about an election. I don't claim to be well-versed in the intricacies of politics, but it seems like it's a possibility, if nothing else because they might not want to go down with Trump's ship. Besides, pipe dream or not, this year showed that hope is not a lie, so if it's all the same to you I'll just keep on hoping until given a definitive reason not to.
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Dec 21, 2017 07:19
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Well this was some news to wake up to.  When's the coin flip?
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Dec 21, 2017 08:54
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axeil posted:Well this was some news to wake up to. https://twitter.com/gmoomaw/status/943850248237211648 Next week.
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Dec 21, 2017 15:40
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Will it be on pay-per-view?
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Dec 21, 2017 21:04
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i hope the political betting sites open the event up for bidding
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Dec 21, 2017 21:36
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Probably for 2018 Special Election thread, but MS Senator Thad Cochran may be retiring soon, meaning there's a regular senate election and a special jungle election for his replacement next November.
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OAquinas posted:Probably for 2018 Special Election thread, but MS Senator Thad Cochran may be retiring soon, meaning there's a regular senate election and a special jungle election for his replacement next November. Yeah, I have an op written for a 2018 thread but I was waiting until the last recounts for this year wound down before putting it up. Of course now that's going to take extra time because chaos reigns apparently 
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Guess what? The coin flip tomorrow is postponed because the Dem is suing about that extra counted ballot. https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.e4c9d2d17049 WaPo posted:In her motion, Simonds asserts that the panel made a “clear legal error … [that] ran contrary to Virginia law” by counting the disputed ballot. “This is really about the integrity of elections in Virginia,” she told reporters. She accused Yancey, a six-year incumbent, of trying to do “an end run” around proper election procedures. axeil fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Best to do everything you can before you get to the literal coin flip, hopefully it works out.
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Regarding the coin flip, is my memory of this correct? 1. Election certified R-win, D-lose, but within margin of error to force automatic recount. 2. State election law dictates you get one recount to certify and said recount starts. 3. During recount, a ballot was discussed by both Dem anf Repub observers and by mutual agreement they declared the ballot invalid. 4. The recount flips the winner of the election by a single vote. 5. Recount tally certified by panel of judges as the official result for the election. 6. GOP (State? National? ) lawyer(?) talks to Republican observer about the recount wherein the invalidated ballot was brought up. 7. Observer sends a letter to the panel of judges that certified the result saying that he invalidated the ballot in error, from confusion and inexperience, and because the Dem observer "pressured" him. 8. Judges order the ballot box opened to try and find the ballot in question, and they think they have a match. 9. Per the law on the books, the ballot actually could have been counted as valid, but the recount is done and the tally certified so chalk it up the a learning experience. 10. Judges on the panel, nevertheless, agree to uncertify the election result, admit the ballot as +1 for the Republican, recertify the election as a tie, thus forcing the election into the tie breaker determination as written in the books. 11. Tie breaker is a single coin flip, probably to be done by someone who has the appearance of neutrality between the candidates, scheduled for after Christmas. 12. Dem candidate sues or files a motion or lawyers up in some other fashion to call BS on the actions covered through 8 to 10 because ${reasons}. Is that about the sum of it? Also, as a procedural question, since the fuckery in the recount is being levied against judges, this will ultimately end up in State SC, unless the Federal SC interjects ala Bush v. Gore, right? If so, does anyone have any insight on Virginia's SC?
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I don't really blame Simonds for trying a legal avenue, but they posted the ballot in one of the articles in WaPo about the race and it's pretty convincingly a vote for Yancey, given the Virginia rules about voter intent. Although, yes, both officials did previously agree to discard the ballot.
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Dameius posted:11. Tie breaker is a single coin flip, probably to be done by someone who has the appearance of neutrality between the candidates, scheduled for after Christmas. From what I read it's actually more along the lines of 'write both names on pieces of paper, stick them in a hat, draw blindly'.
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Dec 27, 2017 18:01
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Dameius posted:Regarding the coin flip, is my memory of this correct? 1) Wasn't an automatic recount, but was within the margin to have a state-paid for recount. 5) Did not happen. The recount officials all signed off, the judges were to sign off the next day where the funny business happened. 9-10) Again, the judges never signed off on the original tally: merely the recount officials. The judges only have the authority to review challenged ballots: the core issue is when you can challenge the ballot. The Dems say up until the recount officials certify; the Republicans say up until the moment of the hearing with the judges, basically. The claim that the Dem would bring is that the recount court violated Virginia law, and that means there's no real hook to get you into federal court (Bush v. Gore involved a federal equal protection claim in an election governed, in part, by federal law). State Supreme Court is the end of the road. The state SC was elected by the (republican-controlled) legislature, but I do not know if it has a reputation as being fair or as being partisan.
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https://twitter.com/chpbrownlee/status/946258548752900098 The expert behind the 1 in 15 billion claim, you ask? https://twitter.com/chpbrownlee/status/946262645337976832  (This is going to get ignored harder than TPUSA at student activity fairs)
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Dec 28, 2017 07:34
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You’d think the campaign would be too old for him to care for it now. 
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https://twitter.com/RoyMooresHorse/status/946461220688629760 I used to be Roy Moore  but now I'm keep being a millstone to the GOP forever.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:https://twitter.com/RoyMooresHorse/status/946461220688629760
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they should give this lady a permanent gig on tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAi_jcB0pks
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ecureuilmatrix posted:https://twitter.com/RoyMooresHorse/status/946461220688629760 Yes please.  Let Roy Moore hover behind the GOP forever at the senate, like a pedo cowboy version of Banquo's Ghost.
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Dec 29, 2017 05:47
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the sword of damoorecles, more like
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Well, with the official certification of Doug Jones's victory in Alabama, and with the end of the work week meaning that the outstanding House of Delegates race in Virginia won't be resolved until the new year, that means the special and state-level elections of 2017 have finally, mercifully come to an end. See y'all in next year's thread!
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