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kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012





Vikar Jerome posted:

instead of demon souls, jim ryan is gonna walk on stage and announce the remake of the PAL version of the GOAT and he will hit a big red button just like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPfC0-8Ib2Q

that song was good dammit

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005




Toilet Rascal

Itís not that itís opaque, opaque can be good. Itís that it was clumsy even when you knew what to do. Repeatedly killing yourself in the hub area isnít a good mechanic

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007


il serpente cosmico posted:

On the contrary, I hope they leave Character Tendency and World Tendency intact, because that poo poo was hilariously opaque, and it adds some depth for completionists. It'd be hard to cut it completely because they'd need to cut some content, as well.

I suppose they could add a mechanic like ringing the bell from Sekiro to induce world tendency, which would then unlock the various quests tied to it. The original release would occasionally do Pure White and Pure Black tendency events, which was a good way to see the content locked behind tendency without having to manipulate it in-game.

Assuming Blue Point is doing it, I doubt they'll change the mechanics. They generally try to be as true to the originals as possible in their remasters / remakes.

If they keep World tendency I hope they swap it so that dying makes levels easier, rather than harder. The original system just punished newer players for no reason.

Also the online world tendency stuff was awful since it made it near impossible to get to pure black or white without going offline.

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

RatHat posted:

If they keep World tendency I hope they swap it so that dying makes levels easier, rather than harder. The original system just punished newer players for no reason.

IDK, it only potentially made it harder if you died in human form. From a design perspective, it makes sense because you're forcing the player to make a risk / reward calculation. If you want the benefits of human form (more health, the ability to summon help), you had to accept some trade-offs (the possibility of invasions, world tendency moving towards black if you die). Plus reviving to human form generally freed up a ring slot, since most players opt to use cling ring in their first play-through.

I think the devs generally intended for players to use human form pretty sparingly.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012


I'll gladly take world tendency over trying to keep suicidal NPC's alive to do sidequests

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016



I saw Bloodborne trending on Twitter because of the PC/PS5 remaster but why do they need to remaster a PS4 game if the PS5 is backwards compatible? Is there actually something to Sony removing the BC text from their website? I forget the page now but someone did a before/after comparison showing what was removed which sparked the talk of troubles with the feature.

If Bloodborne is indeed coming to PC and Steam I hope they don't tamper with it too much because Dark Souls 3 runs amazingly well on really weak hardware and Bloodborne looks stunning enough that I'd settle for just the framepacing fix and getting to run it at 60fps.

Utterly bizarre news if true however since the source says Sony's going in harder on PC gaming but I'm more confused about what's happening with backwards compatibility. I guess they realized all the PS3 remasters this gen were so profitable they'd prefer to keep re-selling games instead?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012





BackCompat isn't going to magically fix a game engine's ingrained problems

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Keep on keeping on.


No dice whatsoever on the rumors imo. They cite no source, not even a rumor mill let alone a reliable one with confirmed rep. It's not happening. Pure conjecture. Give them the attention they deserve: none.

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

Backward compatibility is kind of complex, and will likely take work on each individual game to make it work properly (think how Microsoft is handling backcompat on the Xbone). Sony still hasn't announced how it will work, but you can be almost certain that it won't be as simple as running your entire PS4 library on the PS5 out of the gate. And if they're going to port BB to PC anyway, they might as well do a full remaster with upgraded assets and the ability to run at 60FPS. BB ties a ton of gameplay-related functions to framerate, so a fairly significant amount of work would need to be done to it to make it run at 60FPS without any bugs. A patch could do this, but FROM hasn't shown any interest in patching it even for the PS4 Pro, so I can't imagine they're interested in doing the work to make it run at 60FPS on the PS5.

A remastered version that fixes the long load times, upgrades some assets, bumps up the resolution, and gets it running at 60FPS makes more sense, particularly if they are going to do the same work for PC anyway.

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016



I'm just thinking of Dark Souls 3 on PC since it uses the same engine so theoretically a port would already have the supposed fixes needed? Seems bizarre that those fixes wouldn't just be applied via patch but maybe they'll do something special and add extra/cut content? Apparently the company doing the port is the one that did the Dark Souls 1 remaster and are apparently good at what they do but it still seems unusual.

bows1
May 16, 2004

Chill, whale, chill


I hope i never gets about frame rates again.

Did all of you puke and delete the game jumping out the window of the dojo in Sekiro ?

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

The fixes could definitely be applied via patch, I just don't think there's enough financial incentive to do it. A PC / PS5 re-release a la Scholar of the First Sin would sell really well, though. Market it as a 4K / 60FPS game, include the DLC, list it for $40, and watch the money roll in.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007


bows1 posted:

I hope i never gets about frame rates again.

Did all of you puke and delete the game jumping out the window of the dojo in Sekiro ?

I thought Sekiro's framerate was near flawless.

EDIT: I was playing on PS4 Pro though

RatHat fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jun 6, 2020

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




SUNKOS posted:

I saw Bloodborne trending on Twitter because of the PC/PS5 remaster but why do they need to remaster a PS4 game if the PS5 is backwards compatible? Is there actually something to Sony removing the BC text from their website? I forget the page now but someone did a before/after comparison showing what was removed which sparked the talk of troubles with the feature.

If Bloodborne is indeed coming to PC and Steam I hope they don't tamper with it too much because Dark Souls 3 runs amazingly well on really weak hardware and Bloodborne looks stunning enough that I'd settle for just the framepacing fix and getting to run it at 60fps.

Utterly bizarre news if true however since the source says Sony's going in harder on PC gaming but I'm more confused about what's happening with backwards compatibility. I guess they realized all the PS3 remasters this gen were so profitable they'd prefer to keep re-selling games instead?

If you look at the current generation, a bunch of Xbox 360 games were rendered backwards compatible on Xbox One, and then at a later point the game got a native Xbox One (and PS4) version. For example, Saints Row The Third has been playable on Xbox One in its 360 iteration for some time, with that versionís limitations, and just a few weeks ago got the native Xbox One version. Itís not impossible that some games will have their PS4 version work on PS5 while also having a separate PS5-only version that leverages the consoleís power. So, for example, it runs PS4 Bloodborne at the same 30fps and maybe even only does 1080p, while the PS5 version is 4K60 locked with better graphics (eg higher resolution textures) and maybe some tweaking due to no more load times (instant travel etc).

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

bows1 posted:

I hope i never gets about frame rates again.

Did all of you puke and delete the game jumping out the window of the dojo in Sekiro ?

Nah, I played it on PC

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016



I did see some interesting justification for a remaster that I hadn't considered, which is that FromSoft consider it one of their favorite games to have made but would change some things if they could. Besides the obvious framepacing issues and blood vials/chunks I think the big one is the ability to re-spec your character, which would be a really good addition. There's great builds in the game that not many people got to experience so maybe there will be some QOL updates?

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003



If there's ear fetishists star trek must just be pornography for them

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




This thread made me feel super old

"Turn based should just not exist and dungeons should be completely linear without side paths with optional treasure"

????????????

DrNutt
Apr 12, 2007

MyLifeWithTheFutureWarCult




precision posted:

This thread made me feel super old

"Turn based should just not exist and dungeons should be completely linear without side paths with optional treasure"

????????????

It turns out the kids aren't alright.

I've been playing P5R and it's got astoundingly good qol iterations on all kinds of classic jrpg mechanics and it absolutely owns. I don't need every rpg to be a button mashy mediocre action game.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

et tu hootay



Dragon quest 11 is one of the best RPGs of this generation. Turn based and side loot included.

DrNutt
Apr 12, 2007

MyLifeWithTheFutureWarCult




Mr Hootington posted:

Dragon quest 11 is one of the best RPGs of this generation. Turn based and side loot included.

Yeah I loved that too although I was one of the folks who wasn't a big fan of the 3rd act. I feel like the 2nd act ending was perfect and the game was long enough. Glad that the 3rd act exists for those that wanted more though!

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Mr Hootington posted:

Dragon quest 11 is one of the best RPGs of this generation. Turn based and side loot included.

Hell yeah

And like, I get the "trinket tax" argument or whatever, but the answer isn't to stop letting people explore. Just design your game so that exploring gives you an advantage, rather than designing it with the expectation that everyone will find that weapon you hid.

ZZZorcerer
Jul 24, 2007



I tried DQ11 but the combat is sooo boring and I hate mute protagonists

Imhotep
Nov 16, 2009






I only played a bit of the Yakuza 7 demo, as much as I could without knowing Japanese and itís incredible, and somehow one of the most fun turn based RPG systems Iíve played as well as allowing for lots of weird Yakuza style jokes. I donít get how people want more of the brawler style combat when thereís already 8+ games including Judgment to play, and also itís not ever really tweaked that much from game to game.

DrNutt
Apr 12, 2007

MyLifeWithTheFutureWarCult




precision posted:

Hell yeah

And like, I get the "trinket tax" argument or whatever, but the answer isn't to stop letting people explore. Just design your game so that exploring gives you an advantage, rather than designing it with the expectation that everyone will find that weapon you hid.

I mean I definitely don't feel like it was that way in DQ11. If you missed a weapon or item out in the world or dungeons you could usually just buy it in the next town or whatever.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

and god is on your side
dividing sparrows from the nightingales

I've been playing the free Battlefronts 2 and I swear they made all the sequel trilogy classes worse than all of their PT and OT counterparts on purpose as a subtle dig

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



DrNutt posted:

I mean I definitely don't feel like it was that way in DQ11. If you missed a weapon or item out in the world or dungeons you could usually just buy it in the next town or whatever.

crafting poo poo was the real way to get good equipment anyway

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

and god is on your side
dividing sparrows from the nightingales

Also they got rid of the walking eye vehicle from Attack of the Clones, just shameful

So far Bossk is the highlight

DrNutt
Apr 12, 2007

MyLifeWithTheFutureWarCult




Brother Entropy posted:

crafting poo poo was the real way to get good equipment anyway

And it's one of the few times I've enjoyed a crafting system in a game due to the fact that made it into a fun little mini game rather than just have the only "gameplay" aspect of it be mindlessly gathering until you have 'x' things. It was fun to try and see how much above your weight class you could craft with lucky strikes and what not.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



DrNutt posted:

And it's one of the few times I've enjoyed a crafting system in a game due to the fact that made it into a fun little mini game rather than just have the only "gameplay" aspect of it be mindlessly gathering until you have 'x' things. It was fun to try and see how much above your weight class you could craft with lucky strikes and what not.

oh most definitely, it hits a real good sweet spot in being player-involved without being so in-depth that it feels more like work than a game

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




DQ11 crafting is so fun

If you liked it, try an Atelier game sometime! They're really good!

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


Is there a Discord or Group for goons? Want to find squad mates for Battlefront 2 in my wack rear end time zone because otherwise I feel like I'm just feeding the meatgrinder.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



precision posted:

DQ11 crafting is so fun

If you liked it, try an Atelier game sometime! They're really good!

which one, there's probably like a dozen at this point

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precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Escha/Logy is a good Atelier to start with

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