Rad Valtar posted:The last report early in the year was that the cost to make one was around $450 so it would be really weird to sell it at $600 when they sold the PS4 at a loss initially. I’m guessing they will match Microsoft at $500 for disc and then discless will be either $450 or $400. I wasn't aware of 450 manufacturing costs. I could definitely be wrong then. I'm really surprised it's actually that low.
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BitBasher posted:I wasn't aware of 450 manufacturing costs. I could definitely be wrong then. I'm really surprised it's actually that low. I take those numbers with a grain of salt. We don't really know the deals they sign with the manufacturers of all the components and the factories where the consoles get assembled. You also have to factor in the R&D costs that go into the console and even the marketing. The bottom line is that the bean counters figure out how much of a loss they're willing to take on each unit (or what they want the profit margin to be) and set the price accordingly. Saying "The parts cost $450 so we'll sell it at $500" is not how it works at all.
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BitBasher posted:I wasn't aware of 450 manufacturing costs. I could definitely be wrong then. I'm really surprised it's actually that low. Both consoles this generation are built around basically the same chip on the same node from the same company, so I really doubt Sony's gonna let themselves get undercut on equivalent SKUs.
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lunar detritus posted:Isn't the same as a pc with lower specs? Wouldn't turning down all the graphics to low be enough to keep it from limiting how good multiplatform games can be? Again, from the 'principle engine programmer at id software' https://twitter.com/JayDubcity16/status/1304188241852207104
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Does that mean Doom Eternal was significantly held back by the Switch?
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I think the Series S is going to have problems within a year or two - if you look at the performance of games like Jedi Fallen Order on the One S you see some insane hangs when it has to pause for a few seconds to load the next area which you don't see on any other platform. But I don't think that's going to compromise games in general, you're just going to have a worse experience on the S.
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morestuff posted:Does that mean Doom Eternal was significantly held back by the Switch? The Switch port was handled by another party so it's not really the same comparison.
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Sep 12, 2020 21:45
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JFO had that on my Pro too tbh
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morestuff posted:Does that mean Doom Eternal was significantly held back by the Switch? we havent even seen gameplay of that yet. probably waiting until switch pro is out...
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Sep 12, 2020 21:46
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I'm still going with $499 regular, $399 digital only
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Sep 12, 2020 21:56
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm still going with $499 regular, $399 digital only I'm guessing its gonna be $449/$349.
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Sep 12, 2020 22:04
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:wow i googled it and like half of america already has a 4k tv, loving crazy. It’s a good place to be to make numbers for initial quarterly reports. The console specs are phenomenally bad and will, I am fairly confident saying, cause way more issues than the few frame drops you think will be the sum of impact. This “running at 1440 with 1:1 features and performance parity” claim being made feels like defense lawyer talk; get an engineer to do some napkin math and say “in theory it could work, but...” then cut them off before they can finish that sentence, because the less you know the more confident you can be while saying stupid poo poo in public (example: our posts).
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Hey that Borderlands 3 PS5 thing got confirmed. Free upgrade for PS4 owners, 4K 60FPS, vertical split-screen and local 4-player co-op, a new DLC coming later in the year to expand everyone's skills. DLC and saves carry over and cross-play might be a thing next year.
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Bad Parenting posted:Again, from the 'principle engine programmer at id software'   The CPU is the same on the SSbox as in the others, until devs complain about the lack of RAM impacting gameplay features, as in "we wanted to have better AI or more complex physics but were hogtied by the 8 GB and so did all other versions", I don't give a poo poo about asset quality or RT whatevs (RT will already be half-arsed in consoles anyway). I can barely tell a 360 game from a PS4 one anyway, just get me a Sandlot EDF game with the typical fully destructible buildings but now with active enemies onscreen reaching well into 4 digit figures running at 20 fps on the SSbox so I can play the PS5 or Xbox X versions at 60 fps tyvm yay headroom Storm One fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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Sep 12, 2020 22:14
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Policenaut posted:Hey that Borderlands 3 PS5 thing got confirmed. Free upgrade for PS4 owners, 4K 60FPS, vertical split-screen and local 4-player co-op, a new DLC coming later in the year to expand everyone's skills. DLC and saves carry over and cross-play might be a thing next year.
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I dont particularly care about fine details but if you can’t tell the difference between a 360 and PS4 you got some problems
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Bad Parenting posted:Again, from the 'principle engine programmer at id software' I'm gonna need an example of what they could truly have done.
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Has MS claimed that everything that runs on a series X will also run on a Series S for the entire duration of the console generation, or is that just something people are assuming?
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people are assuming. they are not going all in on xcloud gamepass for nothing. people are forgetting thats their big focus. those late gen series x games will run fine (..well) on a series s. through xcloud.
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veni veni veni posted:Has MS claimed that everything that runs on a series X will also run on a Series S for the entire duration of the console generation, or is that just something people are assuming? AFAIK they haven't, and I'm assuming that games are allowed to be Series X only. I'm just unusually optimistic about the prospect of a too-sucessful-to-ignore underspecced model serving as an anchor on multiplatform games and counterbalancing the trend of "let's add even more detail at the expense of performance so it'll look better on screenshots".
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I'm sure Doom 3 will make approved ssds a requirement for the pc version.
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Bust Rodd posted:I really don't have a problem with SONY being the Ferrari of gaming Sony opening up its preorders to only preferred sony customers very Ferrari-esque
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My guess is that all games made for series X and PS5 will work on Series S but some will have performance issues.LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'm gonna need an example of what they could truly have done. what Microsoft could have done? It's actually really simple. Instead of splitting the RAM into two different speed run all 10 GBs at a slightly lower speed. Rad Valtar fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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I’m like 5 hours into Days Gone and I really wish that I could give this game to the TLOU2 team for like 4 months just to polish it. There are a lot of interesting ideas here but after coming from TLOU2 the seams really show on this one. Floaty guns, weak sound effects, etc. Nothing is likely to save the overly serious story that doesn’t deserve to be but I could look past that if the controls, animations and gameplay were just a little bit tighter. I’m still gonna play it through though because it has legitimately fun moments.
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Rad Valtar posted:My guess is that all games made for series X and PS5 will work on Series S but some will have performance issues. No, what new gameplay features are being held back by the xbox series x.
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veni veni veni posted:Has MS claimed that everything that runs on a series X will also run on a Series S for the entire duration of the console generation, or is that just something people are assuming? It’d be extra stupid if it wasn’t a guarantee and you end up spending $299 now then, a few years later, spend another, say, $299 for the now reduced price X so you can keep playing games without them making GBS threads the bed and end up spending more overall. I mean, at least this generation’s mid cycle refresh was an upgrade from the base spec, not to it.
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Rad Valtar posted:My guess is that all games made for series X and PS5 will work on Series S but some will have performance issues. The slower 2GB are almost certainly reserved for the OS and won't be used for games anyway.
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Bad Parenting posted:I'll take the engine dev at id's word over yours I think Not saying these guys are wrong, but maybe devs will find a way and/or parity isn't always a must or depends on the publishers whims.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:No, what new gameplay features are being held back by the xbox series x. you probably meant S (gently caress these xbox names) and if so  mysterious frankie posted:at least this generation’s mid cycle refresh was an upgrade from the base spec, not to it. Hopefully, the de facto base spec now *is* the S. EDIT: again, did GameCube or Xbox-only owners complain about PS2, an underpowered, different arch from the competition and hard to develop for console being the lowest common denominator? No, if anything they complained about the exclusives not being available on their system, and for the games that were they usually got the better version. Red Warrior posted:The slower 2GB are almost certainly reserved for the OS and won't be used for games anyway. 
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SOR4 is decent but I don’t get the “deep” combat system even after watching some YouTube videos. 2 buttons basically and the moves don’t really change even with directional combinations?
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Sep 12, 2020 23:03
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An external ssd turns the load times in Marvel's Avengers into almost nothing... until you have to matchmake with everyone else.
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Red Warrior posted:The slower 2GB are almost certainly reserved for the OS and won't be used for games anyway. Yeah that’s the issue. It’s already half the speed of the Series X RAM.
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bows1 posted:SOR4 is decent but I don’t get the “deep” combat system even after watching some YouTube videos. 2 buttons basically Attack, jump attack, special, jump special, forward special, grab, throw, back attack, star attack, charge attacks. Yep. 2 buttons basically but a lot of variety possible!
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Sep 12, 2020 23:27
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department store in spain might have leaked the price, or its a placeholder. its the bottom two, in code names. 499 euros for the disc and 399 for no disc.
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Sep 12, 2020 23:29
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Vikar Jerome posted:department store in spain might have leaked the price, or its a placeholder. I’ll take an enigma please.
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Rad Valtar posted:Yeah that’s the issue. It’s already half the speed of the Series X RAM. If most of what you are loading in is textures at 1/2 to 1/4 the size then it should mostly even out.
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Sep 12, 2020 23:32
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I'm sure there's some large retail conspiracy and that Sony has told stores the actual MSRP already and everyone's been really good about keeping the secret.
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Thom12255 posted:I think the Series S is going to have problems within a year or two - if you look at the performance of games like Jedi Fallen Order on the One S you see some insane hangs when it has to pause for a few seconds to load the next area which you don't see on any other platform. But I don't think that's going to compromise games in general, you're just going to have a worse experience on the S. Fallen Order is a dog's breakfast of hosed texture load and poor optimisation. It fucks up like this on beefmaster PCs.
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Fix posted:I'm sure there's some large retail conspiracy and that Sony has told stores the actual MSRP already and everyone's been really good about keeping the secret. If by "retail conspiracy" you mean embargo built into the wholesale contract then yes
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Red Warrior posted:If most of what you are loading in is textures at 1/2 to 1/4 the size then it should mostly even out. I’m not going to continue this here since the delusions of Xbox owners is already on display in the Xbox threads.
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