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Doctor Butts posted:
Note I do not have the answers for these questions, I am posting them to debate and discuss.
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BULBASAUR posted:lol at mods upset that LadyAmbien posted this in public I'm not a mod of D&D and I'm not informed enough about all this to make any intelligent comment, but one thingi do want to point out is that being a mod here is not a job. Nobody gets paid to mod (or at least nobody's been paying me). It's a volunteer hobby that's usually pretty thankless and often involves a lot of work and stress. We're all just people trying to do a decent job and often loving up because we're just people trying to do the best we can in our spare time.
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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea what this kiwi thing is or how it relates to Debate and/or Discussion It's the off-site forum that was responsible for reveling former SA animator Smorky likes the poo in his diapers basically.
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Lowtax posted:People will infer whatever they choose to infer, and that's usually whatever fits their worldview. There's no way to prevent people from reading in their own opinions or drawing their own conclusions. That's what people do. I've never claimed to be 100℅ objective, or able to definitely say what is or is not racist. Same with "hate speech." Is it okay for me to say "all pedophiles should be locked in prison?" (Queue joke about not having any mods here). That's technically hate speech, but it's a group of people a majority of our population have deemed unacceptable. Which groups should or should not be protected under hate speech? Frame this post as well!
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Lowtax posted:People will infer whatever they choose to infer, and that's usually whatever fits their worldview. There's no way to prevent people from reading in their own opinions or drawing their own conclusions. That's what people do. I've never claimed to be 100℅ objective, or able to definitely say what is or is not racist. Same with "hate speech." Is it okay for me to say "all pedophiles should be locked in prison?" (Queue joke about not having any mods here). That's technically hate speech, but it's a group of people a majority of our population have deemed unacceptable. Which groups should or should not be protected under hate speech? 
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Doctor Butts posted:I think this is a strange observation considering how long you've been a part of the D&D forums. It's more of a discussion forum centered on political or civic topics. That thread focuses on issues black folks face, somewhat, as much as some other thread might focus on discussion about another country's politics. Sure, but in this specific instance i'm referring to someone brings up a pet peeve (heavily emphasizing that they like the thread, lurk the thread, respectfully bow out of most discussions unrelated to their experience, and aren't saying they are wrong), getting shouted down, and being willing to argue back as being things worth punishing for or kicking someone out of the thread for. Like, at one point 3 posters were just spamming "GTFO NOW" instead of moving on and talking about stuff they wanted to talk about.
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I don't know how you could look at lady ambien's own public tweets and not make the connection that this has a lot to do with being pissy that a particular black woman became a moderator
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Jan 12, 2017 21:00
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What if GBS and D&D were both removed, and then their respective posting bases were forced to constructively interact with eachother in a new forum titled "Current Events"
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Jan 12, 2017 21:01
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Neurolimal posted:IMO this is a really bad opinion to have in this subforum. Having lurked around for more than ten years a lot of my niche progressive opinions have been shaped by people willing to explain their stances and why something is wrong, rather than someone posting lena dunham squatting and yelling "NAY NAY!" or something. I mean someone diving in on page 157 and asking really basic questions about the topic, and responding to that with a resource on the basic questions, like the OP has a list or maybe an article on some website. So that the regulars don't have to spend every other page explaining what "privilege" is in this context or whatever. I wasn't clear, sorry. Lena Dunham squatting and yelling nay is not a good answer regardless, I agree.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:01
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah gently caress this place if we are discouraged from racism why even live look at these white tears 
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Jan 12, 2017 21:01
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net cafe scandal posted:What if GBS and D&D were both removed, and then their respective posting bases were forced to either constructively interact with eachother in a new forum titled "Current Events" You're a looney.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:02
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Tolkien minority posted:i stand by calling the annoying youtube man who is not homosexual nor fat a big gay fag Tolkien minority posted:i just want somethingawful to be a level of discourse higher than tumblr YOU. You are the discourse level lower than tumbler.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:02
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Chelb posted:It's possible to enforce the rules and also have a cool fun time with beyonce, op. I do not see an issue with this post that would cause a probation: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3804788&pagenumber=9&perpage=40#post468235277 the poster is frustrated with having to dance around his word choice but is clearly trying to at least talk about the subject
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CrazyLittle posted:YOU. You are the discourse level lower than tumbler. bruh gbs aint d&d. in the forum for shitposting im gonna shitpost. this forum is for debating and discussing
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net cafe scandal posted:What if GBS and D&D were both removed, and then their respective posting bases were forced to constructively interact with eachother in a new forum titled "Current Events" no, we're both horrible in different ways. it wouldn't work out
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Tolkien minority posted:bruh gbs aint d&d. in the forum for shitposting im gonna shitpost. this forum is for debating and discussing Welcome to D&D: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3805093&userid=184480
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Jan 12, 2017 21:03
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Chelb posted:I don't know how you could look at lady ambien's own public tweets and not make the connection that this has a lot to do with being pissy that a particular black woman became a moderator
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Jan 12, 2017 21:04
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CrazyLittle posted:Welcome to D&D: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3805093&userid=184480 i can debate and discuss with the reasonable people while mocking the idiots at the same time i'm talented like that. feel free to make this thread about me for some odd reason tho lol thank u thats my pugger and he is very rad vvvv
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Tolkien minority posted:i can debate and discuss with the reasonable people while mocking the idiots at the same time i'm talented like that. Well, that is a rad dog you have for an avatar.
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Lowtax posted:People will infer whatever they choose to infer, and that's usually whatever fits their worldview. There's no way to prevent people from reading in their own opinions or drawing their own conclusions. That's what people do. I've never claimed to be 100℅ objective, or able to definitely say what is or is not racist. Same with "hate speech." Is it okay for me to say "all pedophiles should be locked in prison?" (Queue joke about not having any mods here). That's technically hate speech, but it's a group of people a majority of our population have deemed unacceptable. Which groups should or should not be protected under hate speech? Personally I feel that as long as the group's identity isn't based on hatred or hurting others for their own benefit, they should be protected from hate speech. In my eyes it should be okay to talk poo poo about pedophiles and (confirmed) racist groups, but not poo poo on entire ethnic groups or LGBT people.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:06
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Chelb posted:I don't know how you could look at lady ambien's own public tweets and not make the connection that this has a lot to do with being pissy that a particular black woman became a moderator you know that person isn't the first or the only current black person who is a mod, right? it's just nobody gave a poo poo to endlessly make who gets to press buttons on an internet forum a huge political issue because it wasn't in d&d
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Jan 12, 2017 21:06
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Lowtax posted:As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water. lowtax please come back and have more of a stake in your forums again
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Archer666 posted:Personally I feel that as long as the group's identity isn't based on hatred or hurting others for their own benefit, they should be protected from hate speech. In my eyes it should be okay to talk poo poo about pedophiles and (confirmed) racist groups, but not poo poo on entire ethnic groups or LGBT people. Why do some groups deserve your protection and others don't?
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Neurolimal posted:Sure, but in this specific instance i'm referring to someone brings up a pet peeve (heavily emphasizing that they like the thread, lurk the thread, respectfully bow out of most discussions unrelated to their experience, and aren't saying they are wrong), getting shouted down, and being willing to argue back as being things worth punishing for or kicking someone out of the thread for. Man I thought I followed this poo poo more closely. I don't know the specific instance you're referring to. Can you clue me in? Was TB and/or negromancer involved?
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Lowtax posted:As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water. i'm sure she'll begin to heal now that it's been explained to her through the medium of gifs that she's a racist TERF bigot with a penchant for reactionary politics in a stolen country
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Jan 12, 2017 21:07
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Tolkien minority posted:i can debate and discuss with the reasonable people while mocking the idiots at the same time i'm talented like that. Do you seriously not see the irony of this post? Not the bit about the dog I'm sure the dog is good.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:07
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VendaGoat posted:Why do some groups deserve your protection and others don't? I already posted about how racism against Asians is mostly accepted on these forums in ways it isn't for other groups and was totally shut down / poo poo on / ignored in the QCS thread, so don't ask this question
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Archer666 posted:In my eyes it should be okay to talk poo poo about pedophiles and (confirmed) racist groups i guess its curtains for negrotown then
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:i'm sure she'll begin to heal now that it's been explained to her through the medium of gifs that she's a racist TERF bigot with a penchant for reactionary politics in a stolen country It;s a bad religion, and a broken nation......
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Oil of Paris posted:I do not see an issue with this post that would cause a probation: Alright, okay. Maybe that particular probation has less to do with the breaking of rules or shitposting, but for pissing off a lot of people including the mod in question (because mods are, yes, human beings). Here's my question: In what way does a single, extremely mild probation deserve an in-depth discussion about the topic? Why must a single not amazingly justifiable call be put under a microscope? How is this single isolated incidence not suspect in how it relates to a recently modded black woman, and by itself says extremely little about the state of d&d moderation?
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The ideology eater posted:Do you seriously not see the irony of this post? "i don't want you to talk, but you're still talking?" i agree about the dog
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VendaGoat posted:Why do some groups deserve your protection and others don't? "identity isn't based on hatred or hurting others for their own benefit," it's in the quote in your post. Invisible Handjob posted:I already posted about how racism against Asians is mostly accepted on these forums in ways it isn't for other groups and was totally shut down / poo poo on / ignored in the QCS thread, so It was ignored becuase no one thought you were posting it in good faith.
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Invisible Handjob posted:I already posted about how racism against Asians is mostly accepted on these forums in ways it isn't for other groups and was totally shut down / poo poo on / ignored in the QCS thread, so gently caress you. I did. Have some loving balls and answer it.
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Lowtax posted:As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water. Can you tell her I'm not going around "patting myself on the back" for nominating KM to be a mod, at least? In no way do I think I solved racism.
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The ideology eater posted:Do you seriously not see the irony of this post? you posted within 5 minutes of the thread being open to call anyone who thinks dumb stuff is going on here racist and imply lady ambien is racist too. you are not one of the reasonable people lol
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Jan 12, 2017 21:09
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Doctor Butts posted:Man I thought I followed this poo poo more closely. I don't know the specific instance you're referring to. Can you clue me in? Was TB and/or negromancer involved? im not sure if TB was involved, I think Negromancer was only involved with buying a bad red text av (that honestly makes him look bad more than it hurts the owners feelings) the peeve in particular was the feeling that some ally critiques of social movements have been lumped into the "telling us to be less visible and inoffensive" pile (which is a real pile that should be taken seriously) which derailed in like five directions as more people came in to find a reason to be mad
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Jan 12, 2017 21:10
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Nevvy Z posted:"identity isn't based on hatred or hurting others for their own benefit," But you are choosing sides and announcing your hatred for others and by working against them you have taken an obstinate position against them Thereby you are hurting their agenda. You have become what you beheld. How does it feel to be a bigot? No matter how small a bigot, you are a bigot.
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i don't know if this is the place for it but the autistic robot form of argument is incredibly exhausting and serves to just browbeat the opposition into shutting up by minmaxing intellectual discourse demanding a never ending series of examples and arguing endlessly about the semantics of the other person's viewpoint. It's not as bad as creating false hypothetical where a dissenting opinion somehow gives rise to the anti-christ and black people are beaten in the streets because anime forums poster said "The blacks" or whatever but it's close.
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VendaGoat posted:But you are choosing sides and announcing your hatred for others and by working against them you have taken an obstinate position against them Thereby you are hurting their agenda. I don't base my identity on hating bigots, so this doesn't work. It's a good attempt though!
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