TTerrible posted:

Yes, this is totally about making sure D&D continues as a branch of Stormfront and nothing to do with getting rid of the bias that resulted in the Hilary/Trump Toxx disaster.

LadyAmbien posted:

You are all seriously proving my point here and it's hilarious. Different opinion = automatic racist.

FactsAreUseless posted:

I'm glad there's so much spirited discussion happening around questions of free speech and impartiality, but we just had to hide a thread because Kiwifarms members were using it to doxx and collect personal information on a bunch of our posters. I consider that a way bigger problem than the ongoing debate about D&D moderation. So if this is where we're having modding discussions now, I'm concerned about the fact that you and Lowtax have so wholeheartedly endorsed the site. I think encouraging people on SA to act more like a website that runs a wiki in which they have detailed every single moment of a person's life, down to the shirts he wears, and has entire forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing minorities online is a huge issue. A much bigger one than questions of mod bias, use of slurs on the site, how to handle political discussions in GBS, etc. We need to make it very, very clear that doxxing people, trying to dig up their information, or harassing them off SA isn't okay at all, and people who want to do that aren't welcome here.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Who gives a poo poo? What's funny about collecting photos and personal information about our users to fuel your weird hate of LGBT people? If that's this website's new direction then count me the gently caress out. I've been totally willing to support encouraging more flexibility on slurs. Hell, I've always been pretty flexible on that myself. Get D&D a conservative mod. Let's make it more free, let's allow for more debate from all sides. Let's change a situation in which D&D is liberal and GBS is conservative, that's all fine. But I draw the line at encouraging people to act more like the insane doxxing website full of complete loving nutjobs who have made it their job to obsess about the personal lives of other people.

Nevvy Z posted:

This is funny because I think everyone knew if one of the more known, dare I say regular, black posters was gonna be mod it was probably gonna be KM.

Oil of Paris posted:

if a thread or forum is so hosed up that it needs to have a mod installed, the contributors in that thread/forum who made it totally lovely are probably not the best people for recommendations

Beet Wagon posted:

As exciting as it is going to be to read a bunch of rules-lawyering about why "lmao all homos should die of AIDS" is not in fact extreme enough to fall afoul of the new 'almost anything goes' rule, maybe we could revisit the huge announcement about how blanket hatred based on gender/race/whatever is cool and good as long as it isn't too bad, whatever that means?

Tolkien minority posted:

lowtax said like 5 times that hatespeech is still banned lol no one thinks its ok to say "all homos should die of aids" thats a blatant strawman. like the whole announcement was that blanket hatred is not ok but using the word fag in a sentence doesnt count as blanket hatred

Oil of Paris posted:

i know that the prevailing argument strategy in DnD is poo poo like this, but it makes you look like an idiot

Tolkien minority posted:

*totally appropriate and cool gif of tv person or celebrity i like doing something so i dont have to actually think or use words to respond*

Tolkien minority posted:

tell me about being a twee mexiphobe plz

Sid Vicious posted:

i think he is talking about the posting of gifs in response to posts as opposed to adding to the discussion not necessarily the use of gifs in probation reasons but i am not tolkien minority so this is conjecture

Invisible Handjob posted:

completely ignoring the issue. refusing to debate. insisting this is not something that has been brewing for a long time, and is just because of the new mod. fragile white tears crying because a black woman finally has power over them

Sid Vicious posted:

it is when its a mod doing it instead of like, idk, enforcing the rules i guesS? i dont know i really hate this subforum im just here to piss people of

Oil of Paris posted:

i think youre, again, oversimplifying things. probations that are explicitly linked to ideology are pretty lame in DnD, especially since the one guy probated was actively trying to explain and clarify (indeed, debate and discuss) his viewpoint and was then probated for doing so

Oil of Paris posted:

I do not see an issue with this post that would cause a probation:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3804788&pagenumber=9&perpage=40#post468235277

the poster is frustrated with having to dance around his word choice but is clearly trying to at least talk about the subject

Lowtax posted:

As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water.

Oil of Paris posted:

I didnt find it worthy of discussion until you needed an example. I laughed about its pettiness earlier today in the QCS thread. the reason it is being used as an example is due to it being emblematic of an apparently ongoing problem with posters who disagree with the consensus being silenced for their opinions. i think you are really stretching to place the mods race at the forefront of this, instead of her doing exactly what people are tired of seeing in DnD

paranoid randroid posted:

with all due respect to the OP, surely you must have realized this thread would be absolutely loving dreadful

Lowtax posted:

Of course that's not what I meant, I was just bringing out a point that could be debated or discussed. See, the whole mindset around here, and the internet add a whole, is so reactionary, so inflammatory, people jump to their own conclusions without actually looking at the question being posed. These types of questions should not be off limits, and people should not be afraid of being instantly called a racist or whatever for asking them. There should be debate. Or discussion.

Lowtax posted:

Of course that's not what I meant, I was just bringing out a point that could be debated or discussed. See, the whole mindset around here, and the internet as a whole, is so reactionary, so inflammatory, people jump to their own conclusions without actually looking at the question being posed. These types of questions should not be off limits, and people should not be afraid of being instantly called a racist or whatever for asking them. There should be debate. Or discussion.

the trump tutelage posted:

The issue isn't that she handed out four six hour probations with gifs attached to them. The issue is that she handed out these probations while ignoring the lovely, antagonistic behaviour of another poster who was ideologically aligned with her. Another mod had to step in to hand down a probation in that case. One of the probations was explicitly in response to a poster not immediately conceding a point KM was making about normative language, thereby settling the debate by fiat. This is a mod that also told posters to "shut the gently caress up" about trans and black feminism unless they themselves were trans or black women, in a D&D thread that wasn't created for members of those communities to discuss their own issues. This is as close to silencing as you'll find on these forums.

Those are the issues. The length of the probation is hardly relevant, on principle it was an obscene double standard and an example of moderating according to their individual political beliefs and not with respect to the forum or thread rules.

And okay, fine, she's a new mod who is flexing her muscle a bit. Except it comes on the heels of Tiny Brontosaurus also getting oodles of free passes (not by KM obviously) before people in QCS complained enough to finally have her behaviour acknowledged and acted upon.

Office Surprise Store posted:

that's def what he meant and not you proving everyone that says dnd is poo poo right by being an insane retard

Oil of Paris posted:

Not sure if you're referring to the posts in this thread or in general, but I can see how people would be frustrated with legitimately trying to contribute to an argument, be told they're making people angry for having their opinion, and then be sent packing with a sassy gif

Tolkien minority posted:

paranoid randroid posted:

perhaps we should return to the days of Enforcing Effort in D&D posting, rather than adopting an insanely credulous stance that all opinions are equally admissible. saying this pains me greatly, being as i am opposed to effort in all its forms.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

or you are making up a racial conflict with that post and are backing up Chelb in giving everyone a masterclass on ~~The Problem~~

My Q-Face posted:

Yeah, it's called the real world. Why exactly do you think you're entitled to a place without any hostility? How exactly are you going to have a debate in a place where nobody is hostile to your ideas? That's not a debate, that's a circle jerk. The whole point of debate is to present and support your argument in order to either change other people's minds or to learn and have your mind changed. If your ideas can't stand up to a little hostility, maybe you should either present evidence, support your argument with facts, or change your mind. If you can't do any of the above, maybe you shouldn't try to debate.

Neurolimal posted:

this seems like an immature way to back out of a thread

Fat Shat Sings posted:

It's like you are on a track or something. Thank you for dodecatupling down.

I'll try and make it concise for you, to at least maybe get you to see what the actual point here is.

Thread = About people immediately inserting race into things and not debating. OP immediately called racist.
Moderator shows up, talks about (race) not liking something and how (race) would prefer things
You show up talking about the moderators race, the race of the people talking to the moderator and run off on a tangent about race.

this is about DEBATE AND DISCUSSION.

This is a very simple concept. You are doing a fantastic job on explaining it to everyone except yourself.

Control Volume posted:

I'm extremely in favor of political debate taking place entirely in the form of interpretive gif posting

Fat Shat Sings posted:

I'm sorry that's all you can see and as a result are flailing your pissbaby arms in an embarrassing display constructing racist sandcastles out of imaginary sand in a snowglobe an autistic boy would be allowed to look at if he wasn't a cracker.

Neurolimal posted:

It's pretty simple crackerdog, your prior posts were halfhearted attempts at arguing, and the one I quoted is a blanket statement that the thread is bad, so responses to you are bad and by terrible people