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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

A hallmark of The Paranoid Style is to act like left-liberals are actually Stalin.

Ah yes, the "you are for free lunches at school so TF you are literally Stalin"

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Nebakenezzer posted:

Because the first article on the Guardian I saw about Venezuela had the ex-mayor of London Ken Livingston saying that Chavez hosed up when he didn't straight up murder the oligarchs in Venezuela

I think then I went for a bike ride

He's not wrong.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Nebakenezzer posted:

Guys I'm interested in what's going on down thar, so I went to the Guardian and the Economist (I know, but when not peddling their stupid ideas they do good international reporting IMO) and well, I didn't get very far

Because the first article on the Guardian I saw about Venezuela had the ex-mayor of London Ken Livingston saying that Chavez hosed up when he didn't straight up murder the oligarchs in Venezuela

I think then I went for a bike ride

you should have a read of what ken livingston has got up to the last couple of years its really fun

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
*looks at a Latin American civil war* guys, as a middle class norte, I am uniquely qualified to tell you what is truth or falsehood from my literal ivory tower

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
"Obviously the people from the country are going to be the platonic ideal of objectivity" is one hell of a take considering gusanos and Ana Navaro are people that exist. Like independently of how bad Maduro might be.

Agnosticnixie has issued a correction as of 09:32 on Aug 7, 2017

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Good morning and blessings to all Venezuela.

I'm Captain Juan Caguaripano commander of the David Carabobo Operation.

I am accompanied by the 41st brigade, I am accompanied by officers and troops of this glorious unit of the true Venezuelan army forger of freedom, as well as active and reserve troops of all the police components.

Men and women brave lovers of peace and freedom, we declare ourselves in legitimate rebelliousness, united today more than ever with the brave Venezuelan people to repudiate the murderous tyranny of Nicolas Maduro.

We clarify that this is not a coup d'etat this is a civil and military action to re-establish the constitutional order, but more to save the country from total destruction, to stop the murders of our young people and relatives.

As institutional military members, we recognize and respect the National Assembly (It's like Venezuelan congress) but we demand that it recognize and respect the will of the people to get rid of the tyranny, and honor the heroic memory of young people like Neymar, Geraldin, Fernalete, (Venezuelan who died during the protests) and others, that with shields of paperboard but with hearts of steel offered their lives to teach the venezuelan people how to defeat the fear.

Gentlemen of the National Assembly, it's time to stop hidden agreements between tyrants and traitors. We need honest politicians that aren't corrupt and that won't betray the venezuelan people.

We demand the immediate formation of a government of transition. And free general elections with independent public powers, we ask our brother-in-arms to rise up against this murderous regime and to disobey corrupt generals who do not represent the honor or dignity of our armed force, do not be the shame of our family, we invite All venezuela to go to the barracks to join us in this liberating party. And to receive, in a peaceful and orderly way, the citizens of your locality, where hostile activity against the civilian population will be considered a military objective, and we'll go against it with all the firepower of our allied forces throughout the country, Venezuela, God is with us. And from today live the freedom and the tyranny dies.

https://twitter.com/Ricard0B0livar/status/894212920850210816

(they all got owned)

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/893026184690368512

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
people still play WoW??

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

logikv9 posted:

people still play WoW??

Yes.

3peat
May 6, 2010

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

get that OUT of my face posted:

as more socialists have turned their backs on venezuela in recent years, one accusation that i hear from them is that it's always been less socialist and more peronist. i've done a little bit of reading and the comparison holds up on the surface, but i'd rather hear from someone who knows more

70% of the economy is private

state sector is less than in France

he should have expropriated the expropriators faster

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Nebakenezzer posted:

Guys I'm interested in what's going on down thar, so I went to the Guardian and the Economist (I know, but when not peddling their stupid ideas they do good international reporting IMO) and well, I didn't get very far

Because the first article on the Guardian I saw about Venezuela had the ex-mayor of London Ken Livingston saying that Chavez hosed up when he didn't straight up murder the oligarchs in Venezuela

I think then I went for a bike ride

he is not wrong

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

and the transition to Not Real Socialism is complete

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Fallen Hamprince posted:

and the transition to Not Real Socialism is complete

The venezuelan economy is literally closer to that of the US than to that of scandinavian soc-dems, let alone the USSR.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
i dunno what to call it when someone fails at socialism, but im sure its hypocritical either way to say maduro fails at socialism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

lollontee posted:

i dunno what to call it when someone fails at socialism

capitalism

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

lollontee posted:

i dunno what to call it when someone fails at socialism, but im sure its hypocritical either way to say maduro fails at socialism

Socialism of the 21st Century

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Fallen Hamprince posted:

and the transition to Not Real Socialism is complete

here you go my dude, let fox news explain to you things you cannot use your sharp radical centrist brain to parse


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
nationalize the eggs

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

someone please stuff hamprince in a locker

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye


Disagree, imposing price controls to make basic goods cheaper and ignoring if the producers of such things can make money under price controls is not capitalism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Nebakenezzer posted:

Disagree, imposing price controls to make basic goods cheaper and ignoring if the producers of such things can make money under price controls is not capitalism

Failing to do socialism means you're still capitalist, chump.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Actually, they're failing to do capitalism, and therefore doing feudalism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Wrong again, dcuck.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Uh yeah a failed system based on petrodollars is the same as a government system based on decentralization and ownership of human beings



But enough about capitalism

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Nebakenezzer posted:

Disagree, imposing price controls to make basic goods cheaper and ignoring if the producers of such things can make money under price controls is not capitalism

Capitalist countries use price controls in times of crisis regularly.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Nebakenezzer posted:

Disagree, imposing price controls to make basic goods cheaper and ignoring if the producers of such things can make money under price controls is not capitalism

Keynes was not a capitalist

a hot take

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Send the tankies to Venezuela.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Vey Nay Zwei Lei

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
venezuela on fire so what

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

another awesome day in totally-not-a-dictatorship-land

https://twitter.com/alexandraulmer/status/895734579713200129

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Fallen Hamprince posted:

another awesome day in totally-not-a-dictatorship-land

https://twitter.com/alexandraulmer/status/895734579713200129

oh good

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

qnqnx posted:

Send the tankies to Venezuela.

the revisionists are already in charge of Venezuela

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Send the tankies with t-34s to Venezuela.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Top City Homo posted:

70% of the economy is private

state sector is less than in France

he should have expropriated the expropriators faster
lol so it's not even peronist, it's the same klepto-state that it's always been with lip service to socialist ideas. but as long as you talk the talk, tankies will look the other way if you don't walk the walk

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

get that OUT of my face posted:

lol so it's not even peronist, it's the same klepto-state that it's always been with lip service to socialist ideas. but as long as you talk the talk, tankies will look the other way if you don't walk the walk

he still did socdem stuff and helped fight poverty so he is better than neolib austerity

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
*in neolib centrist voice*

Thousands of poor and disabled people dying due to austerity is completely different

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Good news, we finally have our objective evidence of the shittiness of the Olympics if there were any doubters

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Yeah Rio got in some real deep poo poo the last couple of years. One of the state universities even got shut down this semester because they are completely broke.

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

the ESPN article linked in Gizmodo is bigger and more comprehensive than the gawker family's usual "here's a link to the story, a rundown of its contents, and a couple paragraphs of us editorializing" format. other highlights:
  • Maracana Stadium is abandoned and had its electricity shut off for failing to pay a nearly million-dollar electric bill. it was converted from a soccer stadium that once held 200,000 people for a World Cup Final in the '50s and was the center of the sport in Brazil
  • the organizing committee is $40 million in debt, the IOC refuses to help, and they're bartering with cables and air conditioners to pay off creditors
  • multiple brazilian medal winners are now living in poverty because they live off of government stipends that have been slashed to a pittance
  • brazil's sporting infrastructure is almost completely ruined, also due to government austerity
  • seeds that were promised to have been planted by the IOC in one Rio neighborhood are sitting in a greenhouse

the olympics are the worst and the IOC is worse than FIFA

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