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PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


Cyrano4747 posted:

Feel free to use this thread for everything that the old retard thread was used for. Overheard stupid poo poo / gun owner insanity / news / cat memes / serious politics are all good and fine. So far the last 2 pages are about 60% videogame thread by volume.

Basically I'm just sick and loving tired of paging through this thread and finding post after post of people just screeching at each other and throwing out the lowest effort insults. Talk about the superbowl (pats suck), Russian cats (are cute), MechWarrior Online (dumpster fire), or whether Putin is pulling the strings in American government (his check hasn't cleared yet), idgaf.

Just don't treat each other like trash. I was able to go whatever when the election was in full swing but jesus gently caress this place doesn't need god knows how many more years of it.

Here, let's just take a page from loving BYOB of all places:

#NotMyRetardSwamp
#NotMyMod

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Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

I ate too much crab and transformed into this.



PCOS Bill posted:

#NotMyRetardSwamp
#NotMyMod

Urine a really bad mood for someone who's home team won a big game.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

My sole partiality is to that delectable spiced meat. Any additional confederation of vegetables shall not compromise the pie as I see it.

"Alt-right" also sort of means "anyone not currently convulsing in a triggered state because Trump is gonna be president" if you start to argue with the right idiot on Facebook.

various cheeses
Jan 24, 2013



Alt-right is the shortcut for forward in a browser. Really makes you think.

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


LingcodKilla posted:

Urine a really bad mood for someone who's home team won a big game.

And you play for the other team.

sky shark
Jun 9, 2004

CHILD RAPE IS FINE WHEN I LIKE THE RAPIST

PerrineClostermann posted:

Someone put out the name "Ctrl-left" and I love it.

Exactly this. Tolerance for everything except views that counter theirs, diversity in everything but thought, freedom is only good when it advances their interests.

sky shark fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 17, 2017

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Democracy is only valid when they win

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

We've come a long way since that day, and we will never look back at the faded silhouette.

sky shark posted:

Exactly this. Tolerance for everything except views that counter theirs, diversity in everything but thought, freedom is only good when it advances their interests.

Haha ctrl-left is pretty good

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



I'm a tab-ritarian

Man Whore
Jan 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT SPHERICAL CATS
=3





Is there an anti-globalist movement for leftists that isn't calling for world revolution now? Its gotten to the point where I find myself hanging around rightist groups more than leftists even though I am thoroughly pink because everyone else seems to have turned into a neoliberal now that trump got elected. I'm willing to believe I'm just weird though because I still willingly identify as a nationalist and that seems to have become a dirty word.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011


Man Whore posted:

Is there an anti-globalist movement for leftists that isn't calling for world revolution now?

Yes, but they're probably speaking Bengali or Mandarin.

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!


Man Whore posted:

Is there an anti-globalist movement for leftists that isn't calling for world revolution now? Its gotten to the point where I find myself hanging around rightist groups more than leftists even though I am thoroughly pink because everyone else seems to have turned into a neoliberal now that trump got elected. I'm willing to believe I'm just weird though because I still willingly identify as a nationalist and that seems to have become a dirty word.

Give it another 6 years, and maybe they'll have learned something?

Not sure what to tell you. Neoliberals are still driving the democrat bus, but hey, maybe that'll change. While I'm more... roughly something resembling a conservative (or libertarian, or whatever. Get Off My God drat Lawn), I've found on the left the actual socialist types are the most engageable conversation wise, since they don't froth at the mouth about Trump since they thought Obama, Bush, and Clinton were an abortion, not to mention they also revel in picking apart all of the neoliberal inconsistencies, and most of their brutal honesty is appreciated. Like I've said before, I read a good amount of The Polemicist, and his re-tweets aren't half-bad either.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
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BeAuMaN posted:

Give it another 6 years, and maybe they'll have learned something?

Not bloody likely.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


The american left have decided to die upon three hills:

Identity Politics
Gun Control
Anti-Trump

Which sucks, 'cause I'd rather vote for more left-like policies, if not for....well, these three. Two of them, at least.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014



i'm a ctrl-alt-deletist

Man Whore posted:

Is there an anti-globalist movement for leftists that isn't calling for world revolution now? Its gotten to the point where I find myself hanging around rightist groups more than leftists even though I am thoroughly pink because everyone else seems to have turned into a neoliberal now that trump got elected. I'm willing to believe I'm just weird though because I still willingly identify as a nationalist and that seems to have become a dirty word.

lol 'turned into'

there isn't one coherent national movement, there's a lot more actual opposition to the love-me-I'm-a-liberals from the left than we've seen in decades right now though.

If you're not down for hanging with like no-poo poo Trotskyites (and who could blame you ugh) there's always ~Bernie~, and if you want the warm feeling of actually getting something done instead of being righter than some Hillary obsessives on Twitter there's local labor movements in basically every city trying to organize the assorted McDonalds workers and cleaning ladies at the bottom of the pyramid for immediate goals like a higher minimum wage or keeping the city council from rezoning the neighborhoods where the actual humans live into space for million-dollar condos. There's a lot to be done locally and a lot of room for organizing right now, though if your sole concern is trade protectionism that's as uh handled under Trump as it's likely to be for the forseeable future.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jan 17, 2017

Lathespin.gif
May 19, 2005


Pillbug



Kagul (renamed Ochakov, later General Kornilov) was built by Sevastopol dockyard. Laid down 1900, launched October 1902, completed 1905, seized by the White forces in the Russian Civil War and interned in Bizerta in 1920 as part of Wrangel's fleet, sold for scrap in 1933.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004


Nap Ghost

Meanwhile I don't even know what conservatives are anymore since modern American conservatives are twisting into ideological knots trying to be both conservatives and Trump supporters at the same time, which is difficult given how much Trump isn't a conservative outside of a handful of issues.

Gingerbread House Music
Dec 1, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Lipstick Apathy

i'm shocked that none of the of the people flaming trump for not cowtowing to an old man who did a good thing decades ago, but don't have a single positive thing to say about meeting with mlk iii.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


Lathespin.gif posted:



Kagul (renamed Ochakov, later General Kornilov) was built by Sevastopol dockyard. Laid down 1900, launched October 1902, completed 1905, seized by the White forces in the Russian Civil War and interned in Bizerta in 1920 as part of Wrangel's fleet, sold for scrap in 1933.

Yeah well, what about that cat, though?

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


mlmp08 posted:

Meanwhile I don't even know what conservatives are anymore since modern American conservatives are twisting into ideological knots trying to be both conservatives and Trump supporters at the same time, which is difficult given how much Trump isn't a conservative outside of a handful of issues.

Same but for conservative Christians.


This came up in the airpower thread a bit and I was curious about others take on it. Many countries went to war with Iraq after the Kuwait invasion. Russia effectively did the same thing and our response has been to sanction, which now looks like it will be overturned after Jan 20. Are those two situations ridiculously different? If they are, how so? If they aren't what are the reasons for such a different response?

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


That Works posted:

Same but for conservative Christians.


This came up in the airpower thread a bit and I was curious about others take on it. Many countries went to war with Iraq after the Kuwait invasion. Russia effectively did the same thing and our response has been to sanction, which now looks like it will be overturned after Jan 20. Are those two situations ridiculously different? If they are, how so? If they aren't what are the reasons for such a different response?

Did the same with whom? Syria? Ukraine? Georgia?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004


Nap Ghost

That Works posted:

Same but for conservative Christians.


This came up in the airpower thread a bit and I was curious about others take on it. Many countries went to war with Iraq after the Kuwait invasion. Russia effectively did the same thing and our response has been to sanction, which now looks like it will be overturned after Jan 20. Are those two situations ridiculously different? If they are, how so? If they aren't what are the reasons for such a different response?

This is a bit hard to parse, but are you asking if going to war with Iraq is very different from going to war with Russia?

If so, yes, very.

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


Sorry, still having morning coffee and should have been clearer.

Specifically I am referring to Georgia and now Ukraine.

I know that going to war against Russia would be different than Iraq.

Just wondering what the reasons are for the massive international response to helping Kuwait in the 90s vs the lack of response to Ukraine etc today. The principle of protecting sovereignty seem the same.

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!


mlmp08 posted:

Meanwhile I don't even know what conservatives are anymore since modern American conservatives are twisting into ideological knots trying to be both conservatives and Trump supporters at the same time, which is difficult given how much Trump isn't a conservative outside of a handful of issues.

Oh definitely... I mean... it's a party split I guess. I mean, as someone who generally once identified as "Conservative" (I'm roughly kind of leaning there sort of these days, I take my issues individually though)... the Republican Party has been poo poo for a while. Many of the people who voted in Bush weren't happy with everything that happened under him as they look back, and they aren't happy with Obama, and they realize their party is poo poo. There's different ideas on why their party is poo poo, but that's what came up with the whole Tea Party thing, which ended up kind of fizzling out and still leaving a lot of people who generally check an "R" on the ballot discontent. Then comes Trump, who is bombastic enough and not-party-connected enough to look or talk like a politician, and he claims he's going to do all this crap AND root out corruption... suddenly all those people that are still generally discontent (not getting the tea party changes that they wanted) find someone to kind of sort of go with it.

Then there's those who given a choice between Hillary or Trump... would really rather go with Trump and roll the dice. And then I guess there's all the meme-folk who are going to ride the trump train into the ground who aren't really "conservative" anyway. And then you have a bunch of disaffected "moderate" voters who show up to polls and decided to mark Trump instead because he's promising jobs and MAGA despite saying terrible/dumb poo poo and Hilary is promising.... more of the same with some tweaks and to stop the madness of Trump.

I don't know, that's kind of how things "felt" to me. Is that helpful?
While Hilary might not be seen as some by as a completely unlikable candidate as we'd make her out to be here (Again, gun sub forum), she was unlikable enough and "establishment" enough to lose in the places that mattered electorally. And the stories we hear really makes you think the Democrat party thought they had that poo poo in the bag, and it's the classic example of pride before the fall. If they spent more money and utilized more people Hilary probably would have won, but hindsight 20/20. Or they could have gone with someone else completely and it would have been an easier win.

Anyhow, "Liberal" and "Conservative" don't mean anything anymore, as they've been too liberally (heh) applied and stretched beyond uselessness. It's easier to think of "People that Generally Check (R or D)" and try to figure out their voting motivations. I mean, I guess we could just call them by the party they generally vote for, but due to anti-establishment feelings that's generally not well liked.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008


About a thousand or so nuclear weapons.

Well, that or there's a lot more trade between Russia and the world and Iraq and the world.

And no oil in Ukraine.

The first answer is a lot more fun and smarmy though.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


Killer-of-Lawyers posted:


And no oil in Ukraine.


The oil fields in Ukraine are strategically significant. halfish are in the Russian occupied zone, while the rest are in the westernmost part of the country. While they're nowhere near the size of the Kuwaiti reserves, they are a critical theater asset.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


Gingerbread House Music posted:

i'm shocked that none of the of the people flaming trump for not cowtowing to an old man who did a good thing decades ago, but don't have a single positive thing to say about meeting with mlk iii.

Frankly it's pretty indicative of how low the bar is for his behavior that it's expected we have to shower him with praise for, as the president elect, meeting with a descendant of MLK on MLK day.

They talked, he apparently managed to not say anything overtly stupid? I dunno because it was a private meeting from my understanding.

In the spirit of the new thread, though: good job PEOTUS Trump. There's your positive comment.

Gingerbread House Music
Dec 1, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Lipstick Apathy

LimburgLimbo posted:

Frankly it's pretty indicative of how low the bar is for his behavior that it's expected we have to shower him with praise for, as the president elect, meeting with a descendant of MLK on MLK day.

They talked, he apparently managed to not say anything overtly stupid? I dunno because it was a private meeting from my understanding.

In the spirit of the new thread, though: good job PEOTUS Trump. There's your positive comment.

I agree the bar is pretty drat low, by his own actions, but if people think he's such a SUPER RACIST, why would he meet with MLK III? He already won the office, he doesn't need to shake hands and kiss babies for another couple years.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.


He's a rich guy from New York, he's probably not any more racist than the average person. Its just that a bunch of his supporters spouted a bunch of racist poo poo.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004


Nap Ghost

stealie72 posted:

He's a rich guy from New York, he's probably not any more racist than the average person. Its just that a bunch of his supporters spouted a bunch of racist poo poo.

The founded lawsuits for engaging in racial discrimination as business policy didn't help either. Of course, not that it makes it right, but discriminating against African Americans in the 1970s by a landlord isn't exactly shocking, no matter who the property owner was.

He's also made a lot of comments about innate ability vs. ability to learn a skill and that he has a superior genetic makeup. But it's not that he said "black genes bad."

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


Gingerbread House Music posted:

I agree the bar is pretty drat low, by his own actions, but if people think he's such a SUPER RACIST, why would he meet with MLK III? He already won the office, he doesn't need to shake hands and kiss babies for another couple years.


stealie72 posted:

He's a rich guy from New York, he's probably not any more racist than the average person. Its just that a bunch of his supporters spouted a bunch of racist poo poo.

Yeah tbh I think that he's likely just typical 70 year old rich white dude racist, maybe a bit more, but I don't think anyway worth considering thinks he's really a rabid white supremacist.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.


mlmp08 posted:

he has a superior genetic makeup. But it's not that he said "black genes bad."
That's just him and his kids because he got bit by a radioactive spider or some poo poo.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


mlmp08 posted:

The founded lawsuits for engaging in racial discrimination as business policy didn't help either. Of course, not that it makes it right, but discriminating against African Americans in the 1970s by a landlord isn't exactly shocking, no matter who the property owner was.

He's also made a lot of comments about innate ability vs. ability to learn a skill and that he has a superior genetic makeup. But it's not that he said "black genes bad."

I think he's probably just the stereotypical inherited-wealth classist (and in the US of course class still correlates pretty well with ethnicity in a lot of areas), where everything he does and is is gold because it's done by him (and also possibly literally plated in gold).

Thats of course putting aside all the businesses he's run into the ground or that what places he have that actually make a profit apparently only do so because he refuses to pay people he contracts then threatens to sue them to oblivion if they say anything.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004


Nap Ghost

stealie72 posted:

That's just him and his kids because he got bit by a radioactive spider or some poo poo.

Also he gets it from his dad, I guess.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/821012282872307712

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



A.o.D. posted:

The oil fields in Ukraine are strategically significant. halfish are in the Russian occupied zone, while the rest are in the westernmost part of the country. While they're nowhere near the size of the Kuwaiti reserves, they are a critical theater asset.

It was pure realpolitik. The US in the 90s could tee off on saddam. Yeah we were expecting way heavier casualties but we were also coming off 20 years without a war. The country was ready to go out and give being world policeman another go and kicking a third tier power out of its neighbor was the kind of limited goal that you can do and go home.

Squaring off with Russia? That's picking a fight with someone who can hurt you badly and a conflict that you aren't going to be able to contain.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe


mlmp08 posted:

Meanwhile I don't even know what conservatives are anymore since modern American conservatives are twisting into ideological knots trying to be both conservatives and Trump supporters at the same time, which is difficult given how much Trump isn't a conservative outside of a handful of issues.

Modern American conservative here who simply accepts he won and will ride it out. Gotta play the hand you are dealt.
What are these ideological knots you are painting people in a generalizing way, mimp?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014



LimburgLimbo posted:

Yeah tbh I think that he's likely just typical 70 year old rich white dude racist, maybe a bit more, but I don't think anyway worth considering thinks he's really a rabid white supremacist.

CNN etc. convinced a bunch of people he's literally Hitler for being endorsed by the 20 remaining Klansmen in America and now there's people killing themselves because the TV has them convinced they're gonna get rounded up and up in concentration camps

sky shark
Jun 9, 2004

CHILD RAPE IS FINE WHEN I LIKE THE RAPIST

Gosh it's so difficult to understand why Trump appealed to a great many people. I mean who would want to put America first economically? What kind of person wants border security? Gee, wanting NATO & UN to pay their fair share is monstrous. Bringing jobs & manufacturing back to the US? How horrible that he feels that the government is inefficient and bloated! People in the US should be happy to see their paychecks being used to fund aid around the world while [x] is a problem at home... the list goes on and on.

Him not being Clinton and being pro-gun weren't at all selling points either. Trump was an unknown quantity. Clinton was more of the same big-government & corruption bullshit that conservatives have been complaining about for decades.

A lot of you think that conservatives are this monolithic block who are all bible thumping born again christians. Quite frankly, him not being anti-abortion or against same sex marriage took away huge wedge issues. He won because he managed to flip the rust belt, got Florida, and made appropriate noises despite the GOP, the press, celebrities and the DNC all working against him. Voter turnout was pathetic all around and he probably would have been crushed by a candidate with actual positives.

Watching the social justice meltdown and true shittiness of the left come out this campaign really helped open eyes though.

sky shark fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Jan 17, 2017

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


sky shark posted:

Gosh it's so difficult to understand why Trump appealed to a great many people. I mean who would want to put America first economically? What kind of person wants border security? Gee, wanting NATO & UN to pay their fair share is monstrous. Bringing jobs & manufacturing back to the US? How horrible that he feels that the government is inefficient and bloated! Him not being Clinton and being pro-gun weren't at all selling points either.


A lot of you think that conservatives are this monolithic block who are all bible thumping born again christians. Quite frankly, him not being anti-abortion or against same sex marriage took away huge wedge issues. He won because he managed to flip the rust belt, got Florida, and made appropriate noises despite the GOP, the press, celebrities and the DNC all working against him. Voter turnout was pathetic all around and he probably would have been crushed by a candidate with actual positives.

Watching the social justice meltdown and true shittiness of the left come out this campaign really helped open eyes though.

Again I'm going to avoid being snarky because this is not the thread for it, but you do have to realize you're, in the same post, complaining about how people think conservatives are a monolithic entity and then talking about "the true shittiness of the left" and the "social justice meltdown" as if "the left" (note being implicitly portrayed here as a monolith) does not have any legitimate gripes.

You can't really at once say your side's (or people that you roughly align with; however you want to codify it) legitimate issues are being ignored or overlooked and then casually dismiss the many legitimate issues of the other side in exactly the same fashion, and expect people to take you seriously.

You seem to be responding *right here* to a lot of things that people have said elsewhere because you're under the impression everyone left of center all feels exactly the same way about everything, which is ironically what you're accusing others of. Or rather, I know that you're a smart guy and intellectually you probably understand that, but it would help to keep things civil if you would adjust your language to be less defensive from the get-go.

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

CNN etc. convinced a bunch of people he's literally Hitler for being endorsed by the 20 remaining Klansmen in America and now there's people killing themselves because the TV has them convinced they're gonna get rounded up and up in concentration camps

Have there actually been confirmed reports of significant number of people killing themselves with indication that's why or is that hyperbole?

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Sep 17, 2009

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


LimburgLimbo posted:

Have there actually been confirmed reports of significant number of people killing themselves with indication that's why or is that hyperbole?
People D&D posters have unironically been checking themselves into mental institutions, so... maybe?

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