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It seems like D&D has got some problems recently. On the one hand, it's crawling with racists and sexists. Terrible people are allowed to post the most offensive things, and the mods do nothing! But at the same time, it's a SJW hugbox, where dissenting opinions are dogpiled and punished by overzealous mods. I think the problem is that people have started to see D&D as just one theater in the great culture war. I'm not talking about stuff with people, I'm going to battle over the fate of the free world. When someone posts something I disagree with, I don't think, gee, I would like to interact with this different viewpoint, I think, is this person the enemy? Has this person revealed themselves to be a free-speech hating SJW who wants to ban all TV except for Steven Universe and Doctor Who? Or are they an alt-right Trumpista, who will be marching LGBT PoC into the ovens tomorrow? They aren't a person, they are just a node of the great amorphous internet enemy. I don't need to read what they said and think about it, because I Know Who They Are. They don't just hold the opinion they stated, but they hold all the opinions that I disagree with. Now that I have seen that they are The Enemy, it's my duty to defeat them. This person is everything I am not, and the fate of the world depends on me slaying them right, here, right now, on the Something Awful Forums! I armor myself in contempt and attack not just this person, but everything I know them to represent! And if the mod sides against me, then the mods are my enemy as well! This whole forum is a cesspool of political correctness or possibly political incorrectness, depending on how my most recent argument went! We all need to take a deep breath, and realize we're all just nerds posting on a dead gay forum. No great political battles will be fought here. This is the website that has multiple articles making fun of old Dungeons and Dragons artwork. This is the forum that currently has Four different threads for discussing Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. You will not slay the great alt-right dragon with your posts. You will not cut off the head of the SJW medusa. This is not the venue for the final ideological battle of the American Culture War This forum is called Debate & Discussion. It's not Attack & Defend. It's not Browbeat & Hector. There's no sign on the door saying only people who agree with you will post here. If you want to post in D&D, you should know that people who disagree with you might respond. People who have deep, profound disagreements with you might respond. You might get a response from someone who thinks your entire worldview is wrong and hosed up, and you migh think the same thing of theirs. But that person is a human. You are a human. You're just two dumb gay humans. They aren't part of a hivemind of everything you hate. You aren't a defender of everything you love. We're all just talking about poo poo on a website that once was mentioned on G4. I'm not asking you to assume the best in others. Just to assume that they are a person. Be willing to debate stuff with them. If you click on a forum called Debate & Discussion, you should be willing to debate and discuss stuff. Even stuff you think is really important.
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Jan 20, 2017 02:58
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I'd enjoy reading Browbeat & Hector.
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I think Guy Goodbody is on the wrong side
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Jan 20, 2017 03:23
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I deeply, profoundly disagree with you, OP.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:25
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TomViolence posted:I deeply, profoundly disagree with you, OP. That's a ban.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:32
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TomViolence posted:I deeply, profoundly disagree with you, OP. Why?
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Jan 20, 2017 03:33
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actually I'm pretty sure its the people who literally oppress the rights of minorities who are bad
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I've been a member of this website for 2 months and I don't recognize d&d anynore.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:34
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Please change name of subforum to Attack & Defend or Browbeat & Hector then ban op for creating a misleading thread.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:36
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Ocean Book posted:I'd enjoy reading Browbeat & Hector. you're in luck, it's gonna be a movie starring jackie chan and woody harrelson and a talking dog.
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sitchensis posted:actually I'm pretty sure its the people who literally oppress the rights of minorities who are bad Unless one of us is secretly Mike Pence, nobody here oppresses the rights of minorities. And even if they do, you won't get them to stop by posting at them
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Jan 20, 2017 03:41
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You can get the rear end in a top hat to gently caress off so you can have an actual interesting argument with someone who respects your right to exist. And not bully away all the people who don't tolerate his bullshit.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:44
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I feel oppressed by the OP's smugness, does that count?
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Jan 20, 2017 03:46
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Guy Goodbody being all sane and reasonable as you all shout down Hitler. Give Hitler a chance, guys!
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N. Senada posted:Guy Goodbody being all sane and reasonable as you all shout down Hitler. The fact that you see your posting on D&D as the equivalent of resisting Hitler makes me concerned for your mental well-being.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:I've been a member of this website for 2 months and I don't recognize d&d anynore.
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Guy Goodbody posted:It seems like D&D has got some problems recently. On the one hand, it's crawling with racists and sexists. Terrible people are allowed to post the most offensive things, and the mods do nothing! But at the same time, it's a SJW hugbox, where dissenting opinions are dogpiled and punished by overzealous mods. Hi, im a gbs poster. i asked around in gbs about what the heck was going on and a bunch of Lions fans? said there was some kinda culture war going on. one guy said there were racists trolling and getting off scot free but he got shouted down for injecting his narrative into the conversation and trying to redefine what happened to suit his politics. anyway i came here to talk to you about my very unique and cool idea that i thought up because im slightly smarter than you called "calm down and stop pushing your ideology" which is definitely not an ideology being pushed please dont say that. thanks for reading my thing about how you should post in a forum you clearly spend a lot of time posting in but simultaneously are not aware of its stated purpose, god bless.
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As not-great as things are presently in D&D in terms of personal attacks and threads being shouting matches and whatnot- things have in the past been much much much worse than they are now. This community was one of the early pioneers of doxxing (before that term even existed) and D&D in particular was once targeted by organized (and Israeli government supported) pro-Israel shills. Things are still relatively tame at present, comparatively speaking. Also this community has played a rather outsized role in Internet culture wars over the years. Not to say we are super important, because we aren't. But things like Anonymous becoming a thing/hacktivist group and reddit banning child porn were heavily influenced by events that took place here. So this place has pretty much always been just another front in the culture wars and treating it as such is really nothing new.
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Jan 20, 2017 06:31
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Seriously though ban everyone who has ever watched Steven Universe even by accident
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Jan 20, 2017 07:12
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sitchensis posted:actually I'm pretty sure its the people who literally oppress the rights of minorities who are bad What about minorities who oppress the rights of other minorities?
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We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. And then, before you can blink an eye, suddenly it threatens to start all over again.
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Neurolimal posted:What about minorities who oppress the rights of other minorities? Minorities are people too 
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Crane Fist posted:Seriously though ban everyone who has ever watched Steven Universe even by accident I've never watched it but from what I can gather it's something like Regular Show, only the fans act like Bronies.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Minorities are people too Does that make them bad, or does their existence as a minority make them not bad, is there a chart of superior and inferior minorities for the topic of figuring out which minorities are being wrong and bad?
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Didn't we just have a "you guys, stop being mean to racists  " thread?Kidding* aside, the fundamental problem with asking racial minorities to sit down with racists and talk with them, one human to another, is that racists may not believe that the minority qualifies as a person, and certainly believe that they do not qualify as an equal who is suitable to be spoken to with respect. Besides, aren't racism and hate speech against the forum rules? *not actually kidding
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d&d is a great place because both the people who scream "racsexism  " unironically and the true inbreds are at each others' throats leaving other more productive forums aloneedit: hi d&d!!!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:d&d is a great place because both the people who scream "racsexism It's the only forum i've posted in where I've been called a cum loving fag and false follower of social leftism by the same poster, so it's got that going for it
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Jan 20, 2017 08:05
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This forum was a catalyst in changing my views away from Reason magazine, CATO huffing libertarianism and towards dirtbag leftism. The effect this has on the real world is that i retweet different memes.
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Neurolimal posted:Does that make them bad, or does their existence as a minority make them not bad, is there a chart of superior and inferior minorities for the topic of figuring out which minorities are being wrong and bad? It means their covered under the original quote you weirdo
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:d&d is a great place because both the people who scream "racsexism Neurolimal posted:It's the only forum i've posted in where I've been called a cum loving fag and false follower of social leftism by the same poster, so it's got that going for it Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle after all.
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Guy Goodbody posted:This is the forum that currently has Four different threads for discussing Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. actually there's three threads. you can also bring it up in the ▒▒▓█▇▅▂ADTRW Winter∩( ✧Д✧)∩Season 2017▂▅▇█▓▒▒ thread, or anime chat thread 18 thank you for your time. please watch the good and cute show
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Main Paineframe posted:Didn't we just have a "you guys, stop being mean to racists then the racist is the one failing to debate & discuss, and therefore a bad poster, who gets banned also how does the racist even know the other guy is a minority in the first place over the internet
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Prester Jane posted:This community was one of the early pioneers of doxxing (before that term even existed) and D&D in particular was once targeted by organized (and Israeli government supported) pro-Israel shills. This never happened. What actually did happen is that a number of insane posters accused some people of being paid shills based entirely around their not being on board with the prevailing Israelthread view of the time "the only good Jew is a dead Jew". D&D has improved to the extent that a lot of the most blatant antisemites were permabanned some time ago.
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quote:This is the forum that currently has Four different threads for discussing Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. I and another poster accidentally made one simultaneously. Then someone made a third thread as a joke. Anyway https://twitter.com/shutupsmalls/status/822148337692450817
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Guy Goodbody posted:The fact that you see your posting on D&D as the equivalent of resisting Hitler makes me concerned for your mental well-being. In the culture war, I fight for the gamers, Guy Goodbody.
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One of the problems with internet arguments here that I noticed is that people tend to think of the worst possible thing a person could've said and then trash them for it in some misguided attempt to ensure ideological purity in any given thread.
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Do you think the stifling libertarianism that used to suffuse this forum like farts on a crowded bus has vanished because the user base aged out of it and is smarter and wiser, or did they all just escape to a dedicated subreddit where nobody would ever criticize them? I have to say that all this talk of super-left college students running campuses everywhere does not speak to my Bush-years college experience of a decade ago, when white suburban boys led a libertarian hegemony in all my philosophy and political science classes and nobody would dare self-identify as a feminist except the instructor. If things are different now then I am glad.
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the stifling libertarianism that used to suffuse this forum like farts on a crowded bus has vanished because the user base aged out of it and is smarter and wiser, or did they all just escape to a dedicated subreddit where nobody would ever criticize them? The tweeny libertarians became angsty ironic marxists then moved on to become Feminist SJW's as cultural fads changed. It's the same boring people trying to be cool by adopting the fashion of the hour. Wokeness is the intellectual equivalent of sagging skinny jeans.
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Three months ago I'd have probably been of the same mind as the op, but the upshot of this election is that I lost every last drop of my kindness and my ability to have a baseline of respect for the other side. 90% of them voted the party line for a racist fascist authoritarian Putinistic sexual assaulting temperamentally-unfit corrupt tweet-happy scumbag. Aside from a rare few of them who refused to support Trump, I've cut the lot of them out of my lives, including members of my extended family, and I'll be very happy to live in my bubble and embrace the same tactics they did for the last eight years, ratcheting up the partisan polarization until our whole democracy inevitably breaks, because it's a foregone conclusion at this point, and gently caress it all if I'm gonna roll over for these alt-right dirtbags and give legitimacy to their pathetic victim complex.
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