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Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

walgreenslatino posted:


1) Greek left movement: failed


only because their PM didn't actually do what he promised

quote:


2) South Korean vigils to remove Park: terrible example, still failed


she literally got impeached

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walgreenslatino
Jun 2, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Fiction posted:

only because their PM didn't actually do what he promised


she literally got impeached

So what you're saying is, the protesters were unable to persuade the government to accede to their demands? You might even say the protests.... failed to do so


Park is still in office. This was a protest to make her step down. She has not stepped down, and she will never step down. She was going to be impeached anyway. It failed.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

walgreenslatino posted:

So what you're saying is, the protesters were unable to persuade the government to accede to their demands? You might even say the protests.... failed to do so


Park is still in office. This was a protest to make her step down. She has not stepped down, and she will never step down. She was going to be impeached anyway. It failed.

When were those protests from? If it was before SYRIZA got elected then it definitely worked, they just picked bad people.

She literally was. You can look it up- she's no longer the president.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
it came from my facebook

quote:

I'm really sick of "protestors" smashing windows when they "protest".. you're just a bunch of asshats who want to smash windows.. If you're not happy with your government do something effective.
Americans.. you have two choices: take up arms and form a revolution or get involved in your local, state and federal politics...

look, smashing windows does nothing. if you want to be politically violent, get some fuckin guns.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

bump_fn posted:

honeypot

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Vote harder in your gerrymandered district within a presidentially solid blue state and you will bring REAL CHANGE to the world!!

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
wait is the crazy south korean lady still in charge

dang

the world is a burning pile of poo poo and nothing will put it out until we run out of fossil fuels

Conch Shell Corp
Feb 24, 2009

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

please source your quotes

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

walgreenslatino posted:

All the examples you posted are of movements that failed lmao
Strong argument here

oh man

Conch Shell Corp posted:

please source your quotes

SunAndSpring is right that "get a gun" is pragmatic advice in the US in 2017 tbqh

Al!
Apr 2, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 32 minutes!
useless commies dont kno poo poo about protest!!!!

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Al! posted:

useless commies dont kno poo poo about protest!!!!

the ANSWER coalition is actually out in full force today

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment
https://twitter.com/BenghaziExpert/status/822437849148571648

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

jBrereton posted:

You say that but the people in this country brought down the government through strikes before, and the government knows it could happen again (which is why they try so hard to kerb them!)

Meaningful strikes are illegal and the government comes down on you hard and fast if you try to organize one.

Also, they tended to work better back then because they were not averse to a bit of violence.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

Honestly, I agree with this. Armed protest puts fear into Authoritarians and that's the only thing they know how to respond to outside of money. The problem is that current police are a lot more trigger happy and don't have the issues the FBI has about shooting armed civilians without provocation. It has to be with guns though. Not just makeshift cudgels or other weapons, but firearms. It's sorta clear now how the FBI treats armed occupations based on Malheur, but city police and county sheriffs are another issue. Maybe even moreso in redder states.

Possible results from this would likely be: Banning armed protest (possible 1st or 2nd Amendment violations), increased gun restrictions (possible 2nd Amendment violation and harkens back Reagan's governorship), increased police militarization.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

GlyphGryph posted:

Meaningful strikes are illegal
So is throwing stuff at the police but here we have a thread where a bunch of people think that works???

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Eh, I can kinda understand why people are protesting. The whole "WELL WHY DON'T YOU GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS THEN?!?" argument kinda falls apart when Democrats are 100% cucked both ideologically and logistically and Republicans control all branches of government. Protests are expressions of anger, whether they "work" or not is kinda a pointless discussion, like whether crying "works" to make things better.

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

jBrereton posted:

So is throwing stuff at the police but here we have a thread where a bunch of people think that works???

Meaningful strikes largely include throwing poo poo at the cops.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

Meaningful strikes largely include throwing poo poo at the cops.
Sometimes but the (extremely successful) 1974 strikes largely just involved the throwing down of tools

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

hell yeah

also that south korean prez definitely sunk the ferry as a ritual sacrifice to her dead cult leader

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

7pm anti-inaugural action downtown houston at city hall on bagby. should be pretty big, show up if you're in the area.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

MLK Jr. would have accomplished far less if not for Malcolm X. Peaceful protest only works if violence is the implicit alternative.

people always forget the "carry a big stick" part

the trick is to make a peaceful demand, go bugfuck crazy when it's not met, then make the same demand in exactly the same tone afterwards

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Fiction posted:

the ANSWER coalition is actually out in full force today

commies sipping their lattes when anarchists are out in the streets fighting for change, smh

Suckthemonkey
Jun 18, 2003
I haven't seen much evidence of either peaceful or violent protest working in America. When has it? Women's suffrage? Civil rights? Vietnam?

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Suckthemonkey posted:

I haven't seen much evidence of either peaceful or violent protest working in America.
What about the creation of America

Suckthemonkey
Jun 18, 2003

jBrereton posted:

What about the creation of America

Oh hell yea. Ill be honest though Id get my poo poo kicked in pretty quick

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
Peaceful and violent protests work if they're committed by white people only.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot
question, how will these protest stop trump? what is the end goal?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

MLK Jr. would have accomplished far less if not for Malcolm X. Peaceful protest only works if violence is the implicit alternative.

close thread

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

deadgoon posted:


the world is a burning pile of poo poo and nothing will put it out until we run out of fossil fuels

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

MLK Jr. would have accomplished far less if not for Malcolm X. Peaceful protest only works if violence is the implicit alternative.

It seems like this is a pretty popular thing to say but there's no actual way to prove it's true.

Conch Shell Corp
Feb 24, 2009

Cyron posted:

question, how will these protest stop trump? what is the end goal?

the people smashing poo poo and fighting are just degenerates who want a reason to smash private property, this is just a socially acceptable venue for them to do so. they'd do it if it was a sports riot or a political riot or a concert riot or w/e.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

This is very correct.

Conch Shell Corp
Feb 24, 2009

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

too bad the background checks put in place by the dems in the states the anarchists and communists live in prevent people with a history of mental illness from owning guns lol

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Conch Shell Corp posted:

too bad the background checks put in place by the dems in the states the anarchists and communists live in prevent people with a history of mental illness from owning guns lol

im rating this post three tamales out of five for a "picante" rating

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.

France in the '60s-'70s

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

SunAndSpring posted:

Really if you're anarchist or communist or any other form of leftist and you don't own a gun you should reconsider. Fascists and right-wingers love to crow about how they are the only people courageous enough to wield a firearm so it would really scare the poo poo out of them if a bunch of commies showed up open-carrying rifles.
the 2nd amendment might soon be the only right we're going to have, but it's drat near impossible to get a legal gun in NY. i'll have to go back to where i used to live and ask the guy i bought weed from to see if he's got any connections

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

falcon2424 posted:

But, instead, every protest needs to be about every issue. And they break down into disorganized, infighting chaos.
this is why the DAPL protests worked and Shaun King's "protest against injustice" didn't. the former movement had a single goal and they were focused on it, even though it was about to break down into the usual "educate yourself before you come here" bullshit by the end (btw protest culture does a very good job of alienating people to join movements, but that's for another time). the latter was a fight against an abstract concept and had a thousand different things for participants to do. keep it simple, stupid

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Cyron posted:

question, how will these protest stop trump? what is the end goal?

telling donald j trump to go gently caress himself, and letting people know they aren't alone

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