[Mafia] Final Fantasy 3

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Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

Sweeeeet

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I do like C.

I'd be less confident in my Mr. F! vote if it was just because he's lurking, but please read my case on him before dismissing it as a lurker lynch.

Yeah I would also vote Mr F, just wanted to make sure the jon joe case got made too since the Mr. F one already seemed to be catching on really well while JJ flew on under the radar

# ? Jan 28, 2017 18:23

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 05:07

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

Mithross posted:

Why I think Jon Joe could be scum, because he asked:

I'm going to latch on here.

First, after this onion knight business, I'm going to violate my own principles re: setup spec and postulate that Bif is probably not scum.

Second, I'm going to ~evolve my views~ in a way I totally promise is not OMGUS: Mithross is scum.

quote:

This is it, this is his day 2, as far as content goes. We get two opinions (Is is scum because he said to be honest, bif is scum because reasons, and Moat worked his way into the middle of that list apparently as a holdout from d1). Also stickup isn't scum is in there, but it isn't a particularly quotable post, so I didn't copy it. There's no content to dig into, no reasons given. It's the simplest, bare bones of opinions, that gives nobody else anything to base an opinion on. We can disagree with his alignment calls, but with no reasons, we can't look for missteps in logic that allow one to scum hunt. This is how you give opinions while keeping secret knowledge secret.

Funny Mr. Ross would simultaneously mention I give no reasoning, mention my d1, quote reasoning and conveniently fail to quote reasoning from day 1, all simultaneously. This is cherry picking at its finest.

quote:

This isn't a case, or a mafia post. This is just insulting someone. Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason.

And yet I never said Pera is scum. Mithross is doing his own odd fallacy here, wherein he quotes an entirely null post in a case on me because he's scum digging for whatever he can find.

quote:

Once you dig through the thesaurus, there's a real, valid point in here (Bif is scum because most of her content is setup spec, not casing). It's funny how he mentions lazy lurker call-outs as the easiest scum position to hold, seeing as caseless opinions are the second easiest scum position to hold (assuming we're ignoring actual lurking), which was his game up until this point.

Jon Joe isn't my number one scum pick, but he's on my watch list for sure.

I do not, at all, like the juxtaposition of calling my point valid and, at the same time, calling my positions caseless. Hint: You don't need make poo poo up, cherry picking posts, to case someone. A valid point is a case.

Mithross is looking to give himself lots of wiggle room intentionally. It's like he feels the explicit need to preserve his future choices behind a hedge maze of hedges. This is 110% a scum move.

Looking at his posting history, this is his MO: find a bunch of posts to comment on and hold his options open. Would vote with the force of 1000 suns.

##vote Mithross with the force of 1000 suns.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 18:39

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

I have just realized I have been failing to charge anyone CP for their skill level when they change jobs.

Whoops.

I just edited that rule out of the op.

Carry on.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 19:27

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

CapitalistPig posted:

I have just realized I have been failing to charge anyone CP for their skill level when they change jobs.

Whoops.

I just edited that rule out of the op.

Carry on.

THIS GAME IS A SHAMBLES :ghost:

# ? Jan 28, 2017 19:31

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

this game is a beautiful flower

# ? Jan 28, 2017 19:58

King Burgundy: Sep 17, 2003; I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

# ? Jan 28, 2017 20:07

King Burgundy: Sep 17, 2003; I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Bifauxnen posted:

BAM

(not gonna try the earlier ones ,they are too hard)

I don't know how you did this, but it's rad.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 20:09

peramene: Oct 13, 2015; by Fluffdaddy

C, very nervously.

CapitalistPig posted:

I have just realized I have been failing to charge anyone CP for their skill level when they change jobs.
Whoops.
I just edited that rule out of the op.
Carry on.

Polite request that you doublecheck your maths throughout because I think maybe you remembered to bill me when I remembered? Of course, I am but a useless unemployed historian, goodness knows I can't do math. But if I suspect a mistake, even if there isn't one with me, perhaps there is a mistake with others. Second - this is a pretty substantial rulechange that... adds more advantage to scum, right? Some kind of town... buff?? To equalize? idk. Run your game how you'd like, beloved and high holy CPig.

jon joe posted:

And yet I never said pera is scum. Mithross is doing his own odd fallacy here, wherein he quotes an entirely null post in a case on me because he's scum digging for whatever he can find.

The first sentence here is true. Jon Joe said I was difficult to read, Bif said I was frustrating, I think Kash had an adhom too. On this point at least, Jon Joe is right, and I would like to ask Mithross to respond, not that it's enough to move my vote (tho this is a solid play JJ drat -- especially if both of you are scum) because it occurs to me that realizing the second thief never claimed and then claiming it (knowing they were dead now especially?) would be a great way to get me to empathize with you which is exactly what I did. I know that trick. Not necessarily convinced that's what you did, but let's talk about it because this is definitely at the very least an in for JJ to get at your credibility (or pretend to).

# ? Jan 28, 2017 20:54

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

peramene posted:

The first sentence here is true. Jon Joe said I was difficult to read, Bif said I was frustrating, I think Kash had an adhom too. On this point at least, Jon Joe is right, and I would like to ask Mithross to respond, not that it's enough to move my vote (tho this is a solid play JJ drat -- especially if both of you are scum) because it occurs to me that realizing the second thief never claimed and then claiming it (knowing they were dead now especially?) would be a great way to get me to empathize with you which is exactly what I did. I know that trick. Not necessarily convinced that's what you did, but let's talk about it because this is definitely at the very least an in for JJ to get at your credibility (or pretend to).

I never said he was using it to call you scum, just that it was a useless adhom attack, in the middle of a weak post history.

As for the second thief thing, the only death we've had since n1 was Moat, who claimed monk d1. And the n1 deaths had their current job, which also would have been their only job.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 20:59

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

King Burgundy posted:

I don't know how you did this, but it's rad.

It was simple:

* Suspect all along that the puzzles might have something to do with the "secret job" which has gotta be Onion Knight
* Look at those nice big puzzle pieces and compare against Onion Knight in the FF3 job artwork CPig's already been using, and see that it doesn't match
* Wonder for a second if it's a clue about what jobs the scum took instead, and check against all the other job artwork in that set just to be sure, starting with Black Mage
* Realize it still doesn't match cause nothing in that art set has that kind of Amano bead thing going on around the hand, but it looks like it should be some very similar character artwork
* Use photoshop to move a couple of the orange chunks together and get a better look at that distinctive sash bit
* Try looking up FF3 concept art in general, get mostly Amano stuff
* Look up Cloud of Darkness in particular cause I was thinking again about how the D choices are getting way more ominous, maybe the puzzle is actually about that
* See that Cloud of Darkness does not resemble any bits of this puzzle in any way shape or form, in any of the versions, but waaaait, one of these at least has a more similar style, the Dissidia one
* Google "FF3 Dissidia" now that I remember Dissidia is a thing that exists
* First image result :buddy:

# ? Jan 28, 2017 21:16

peramene: Oct 13, 2015; by Fluffdaddy

Bifauxnen posted:

It was simple:

* Suspect all along that the puzzles might have something to do with the "secret job" which has gotta be Onion Knight
* Look at those nice big puzzle pieces and compare against Onion Knight in the FF3 job artwork CPig's already been using, and see that it doesn't match
* Wonder for a second if it's a clue about what jobs the scum took instead, and check against all the other job artwork in that set just to be sure, starting with Black Mage
* Realize it still doesn't match cause nothing in that art set has that kind of Amano bead thing going on around the hand, but it looks like it should be some very similar character artwork
* Use photoshop to move a couple of the orange chunks together and get a better look at that distinctive sash bit
* Try looking up FF3 concept art in general, get mostly Amano stuff
* Look up Cloud of Darkness in particular cause I was thinking again about how the D choices are getting way more ominous, maybe the puzzle is actually about that
* See that Cloud of Darkness does not resemble any bits of this puzzle in any way shape or form, in any of the versions, but waaaait, one of these at least has a more similar style, the Dissidia one
* Google "FF3 Dissidia" now that I remember Dissidia is a thing that exists
* First image result

Thank you so much for showing your work, this is really fantastic. Fantastic use of your knowledge of the franchise and possibilities for relevance to the game.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 21:22

peramene: Oct 13, 2015; by Fluffdaddy

Mithross posted:

I never said he was using it to call you scum, just that it was a useless adhom attack, in the middle of a weak post history.

As for the second thief thing, the only death we've had since n1 was Moat, who claimed monk d1. And the n1 deaths had their current job, which also would have been their only job.

Solid - I actually had a (Moat??) in my first draft, then removed it, wondering if you'd point it out. Thanks Mith.

The first two sentences are also obviously true, but "useless adhom attacks" are just... I mean, how should I phrase this...

"Welcome to SA Mafia. Hope you like ~~miasma!~~ adhom attacks!"

Even if it is a filthy militarist ploy to demean the rightful authority of the people :helladid:

# ? Jan 28, 2017 21:28

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

peramene posted:

Solid - I actually had a (Moat??) in my first draft, then removed it, wondering if you'd point it out. Thanks Mith.

The first two sentences are also obviously true, but "useless adhom attacks" are just... I mean, how should I phrase this...

"Welcome to SA Mafia. Hope you like ~~miasma!~~ adhom attacks!"

Even if it is a filthy militarist ploy to demean the rightful authority of the people

Well, I'd say there are useful adhom attacks in a game like mafia. Pissing off the scum until they slip is a thing, or pissing off town until it looks like they slipped. We just get... overenthusiastic with them sometimes, here at SA.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 21:34

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

C

Mithross is pretty clearly just flinging to see what sticks, while opening up the opportunity to vote me.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:04

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

jon joe posted:

C

Mithross is pretty clearly just flinging to see what sticks, while opening up the opportunity to vote me.

You asked me to case you.
You did.
I said I could see you as scum. Not you were scum. You wanted it expanded out into a case.
Now you say I made a case without presenting a concrete opinion.
Which I did.
Because you asked me.
I even said I would happily vote you.

This isn't me posting a lot of work with no conclusion out of the blue.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:17

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

??? I asked you to back it up. If you're town you have a reason for your opinion. Typically speaking, that reason isn't supposed to be cherry picked garbage if you aren't scum.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:21

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

CapitalistPig posted:

C. Look for something in your environment to give you an advantage.

The Warriors Peer at their surroundings and see a switch hidden behind a throne.

They press it and A pit opens in the floor and Gutsco falls in.

Light aligned players get 20 CP and Dark Aligned players get 10 CP

Water Jobs have been unlocked as the power of the crystal is absorbed.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:42

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

jon joe posted:

??? I asked you to back it up. If you're town you have a reason for your opinion. Typically speaking, that reason isn't supposed to be cherry picked garbage if you aren't scum.

But this is the disconnect. You say I have bad reasons. Then you say I'm just hedging. So should I declare you are 100% scum for those "bad" reasons? Or should I declare you to be town because I haven't found enough evidence to be sure you are scum?

You want it to be both things at once. I'm hedging, and throwing things to see what sticks, and I don't have anything, and I should have drawn a concrete answer from all of that.

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:43

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

Mithross posted:

But this is the disconnect. You say I have bad reasons. Then you say I'm just hedging. So should I declare you are 100% scum for those "bad" reasons? Or should I declare you to be town because I haven't found enough evidence to be sure you are scum?

You want it to be both things at once. I'm hedging, and throwing things to see what sticks, and I don't have anything, and I should have drawn a concrete answer from all of that.

What the gently caress are you even saying?

# ? Jan 28, 2017 23:50

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

3 hours to go, hopefully the forums are up at deadline...

##vote Mr. F

I still don't feel good about jon joe, but at least he is showing up to make more detailed cases now even if they're pretty omgus. And now I can relax knowing that if anything were to happen to me, he won't stay under the radar cause I'm no longer the only one paying him any attention.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 03:05

Referee: Aug 25, 2004; "Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

I cannot be around for deadline, I'm sorry. I thought it was tomorrow night, not tonight.

I'll put my vote in now and I'll try to check at deadline if I can but it's not likely as I'll be on the road.

##vote Mr. F

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:00

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

oh drat I did not know it was tonight. I'll be here

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:03

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

##vote Mr. F!

Should be here for deadline, but if not this is a vote I'm OK with.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:38

votefinder: Jul 6, 2010; scoop scoop

Votecount for Day 3

Mr. F! (5): King Burgundy, Tobbs Gnawed, Bifauxnen, IllegallySober, Mithross

peramene (1): Kashuno

jon joe (1): Bifauxnen, peramene, ~~Bifauxnen~~

King Burgundy (1): Anonymous

Absurd Revolver (1): Anonymous

Mithross (1): jon joe

Bifauxnen (0): jon joe, ~~jon joe~~

chaoslord (0): peramene, ~~peramene~~

Kashuno (0): IllegallySober, ~~IllegallySober~~

Not Voting (6): Absurd Revolver, BottleKnight, chaoslord, Grandicap, Mr. F!, this is a stickup

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 28^th, 2017 at 11:59 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 hour, 16 minutes.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:42

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

The sounds of a beautiful harp can be heard.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:47

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

bif quick, what does a harp do

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:48

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

I'm okay with mrf

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:49

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

Votecount for Day 3

Mr. F! (5): King Burgundy, Tobbs Gnawed, Bifauxnen, IllegallySober, Mithross

IllegallySober (1): Anonymous

peramene (1): Kashuno

jon joe (1): Bifauxnen, peramene, ~~Bifauxnen~~

King Burgundy (1): Anonymous

Absurd Revolver (1): Anonymous

Mithross (1): jon joe

Kashuno (1): IllegallySober, ~~IllegallySober~~, Anonymous

Bifauxnen (0): jon joe, ~~jon joe~~

chaoslord (0): peramene, ~~peramene~~

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:49

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Bard puts out random votes and gives the bard an anonymous vote to control.

So it's basically a double voter plus random votes.

It's a day action, doesn't interfere with other night action performance I believe.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:50

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

oh yeah, there are a bunch of anonymous votes I didn't even notice

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:51

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

Votecount for Day 3

Mr. F! (5): King Burgundy, Tobbs Gnawed, Bifauxnen, IllegallySober, Mithross

peramene (2): Kashuno, Anonymous

IllegallySober (1): Anonymous

jon joe (1): Bifauxnen, peramene, ~~Bifauxnen~~

King Burgundy (1): Anonymous

Absurd Revolver (1): Anonymous

Mithross (1): jon joe

Kashuno (1): IllegallySober, ~~IllegallySober~~, Anonymous

Bifauxnen (0): jon joe, ~~jon joe~~

chaoslord (0): peramene, ~~peramene~~

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:51

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

The song fades away.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:52

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

I wasn't cool enough for an anonymous vote I guess

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:56

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

no one is here with stuff to say really so ##vote mr. f!

# ? Jan 29, 2017 04:58

Juchero: Feb 15, 2008; Wedge Regret

was busy all day without Internet except in spurts and I was more busy arguing with people about things and lifting poo poo

but f has somehow lurked more than I have and that can't be tolerated

##vote Mr f

# ? Jan 29, 2017 05:05

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

Votecount for Day 3

Mr. F! (8): King Burgundy, Tobbs Gnawed, Bifauxnen, IllegallySober, Mithross, this is a stickup, Absurd Revolver, Anonymous

peramene (2): Kashuno, Anonymous

IllegallySober (1): Anonymous

jon joe (1): Bifauxnen, peramene, ~~Bifauxnen~~

King Burgundy (1): Anonymous

Absurd Revolver (1): Anonymous

Mithross (1): jon joe

Kashuno (1): IllegallySober, ~~IllegallySober~~, Anonymous

Bifauxnen (0): jon joe, ~~jon joe~~

chaoslord (0): peramene, ~~peramene~~

Not Voting (4): BottleKnight, chaoslord, Grandicap, Mr. F!

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 28^th, 2017 at 11:59 p.m. EST -- that's in about 53 minutes.

:redhammer:

# ? Jan 29, 2017 05:06

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

MR F! has been eliminated on Day 3!

Gutsco

Go away, scat, skittle, skibobble! The horn is mine! Mine I tell you!
�Gutsco, when confronted by the party"

Dark Aligned

Current Job - Black Mage

It is Night 3 , do the thing.

# ? Jan 29, 2017 05:08

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

This is a stickup has died!

Elder Homak

Luneth... you must treat Nina, your mother, the very best you can. You must know by now that she is not your birth mother, but she has taken care of you as if she truly were.
�Elder Homak"

Light Aligned

Current Job : Onion Knight

# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:45

votefinder: Jul 6, 2010; scoop scoop

Votecount for Day 4

Not Voting (13): Absurd Revolver, Bifauxnen, BottleKnight, chaoslord, Grandicap, IllegallySober, jon joe, Kashuno, King Burgundy, Mithross, Mr. F!, peramene, Tobbs Gnawed

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is February 01^st, 2017 at 11:59 a.m. EST -- that's in about 2 days, 1 hour.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:46

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 05:07

Referee: Aug 25, 2004; "Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

There's several people (including myself) that need to do more posting today.

I should be around quite a bit, I hope.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:47

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