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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

anarchism owns and i like anarchists when they aren't trying to ruin actions i've been organizing and i will embrace them as comrades in arms in the fight against capitalism but make no mistake it's straight to the gulag with them after the revoilution

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OWLS!
Sep 17, 2009

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Lastgirl posted:

[major cities gets glassed to the dark ages]

huh i guess what we have is anarchy now, same as it ever was

same as it ever was

Glass all cities, invent device that lets humans travel into an endless amount of parallel earths unpopulated by humans.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
the police broke more laws arresting those people in DC than the people they arrested did. wait and see.

Suckthemonkey
Jun 18, 2003

VikingSkull posted:

Smashing limos is fun and all until you realize that it was a small business owned by Muslim immigrants.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/01/23/anti-trump-protesters-ruin-muslim-immigrants-livelihood-torching-limo/

This is some pretty funny poo poo.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The real problem, OP, is that they're going to mass arrest demonstrators and charge them with felony rioting to suppress protests in general. You don't have to commit any vandalism, just be in the general 50 square mile vicinity of it.

And the cops can always deploy agents provocateur to make sure they have an excuse.

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

VikingSkull posted:

Smashing limos is fun and all until you realize that it was a small business owned by Muslim immigrants.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/01/23/anti-trump-protesters-ruin-muslim-immigrants-livelihood-torching-limo/

fake news

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jarofpiss posted:

anarchism owns and i like anarchists when they aren't trying to ruin actions i've been organizing and i will embrace them as comrades in arms in the fight against capitalism but make no mistake it's straight to the gulag with them after the revoilution

norwegian-style gulags wouldn't be so bad tbh

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i personally think it's far more productive to slug a nazi in the face than to torch a random car or break a Starbucks window, but hey, whatever floats your boat

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

get that OUT of my face posted:

i personally think it's far more productive to slug a nazi in the face than to torch a random car or break a Starbucks window, but hey, whatever floats your boat

why not both? feels good man

Bolton Hairy-Bore
Jul 31, 2013
lots of misunderstandings about anarchy itt, like basic poo poo. and that's OK, it doesn't matter. anarchists tend to reject converting others through reasoning. rather, we seek accomplices through seduction

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

lots of misunderstandings about anarchy itt, like basic poo poo. and that's OK, it doesn't matter. anarchists tend to reject converting others through reasoning. rather, we seek accomplices through seduction

you don't tell me what to do

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

lots of misunderstandings about anarchy itt, like basic poo poo. and that's OK, it doesn't matter. anarchists tend to reject converting others through reasoning. rather, we seek accomplices through seduction
anarchism is for lovers and people who gently caress good

Bolton Hairy-Bore
Jul 31, 2013

get that OUT of my face posted:

anarchism is for lovers and people who gently caress good

anarchists gently caress daily

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

lots of misunderstandings about anarchy itt, like basic poo poo. and that's OK, it doesn't matter. anarchists tend to reject converting others through reasoning. rather, we seek accomplices through seduction

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

anarchists gently caress daily

go on

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014


it's not illegal if the police do it, ESPECIALLY not in a far-right authoritarian state. you might wanna find something else to pin your hopes on

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

oh yeah well when anarchy happens then who makes the trains run on time? checkmate A-holes

Bolton Hairy-Bore
Jul 31, 2013
Even liberals should understand that you can't vote or protest away fascism.

Or maybe they know that and they don't care cuz they'll survive just fine. They'd rather maintain fake moral righteousness in comfort than actually prevent the darkest timeline. You don't gotta take risks, liberals, but you do need to STFU about others' actions and not sell anti-fascists out.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

Even liberals should understand that you can't vote or protest away fascism.

Or maybe they know that and they don't care cuz they'll survive just fine. They'd rather maintain fake moral righteousness in comfort than actually prevent the darkest timeline. You don't gotta take risks, liberals, but you do need to STFU about others' actions and not sell anti-fascists out.

I'm part of a group that would not in fact survive fascism but I still believe in democracy and doing what's right.

yellowyams
Jan 15, 2011

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

Even liberals should understand that you can't vote or protest away fascism.

Many of them don't. As someone who used to share that stance until very recently, my perspective on how to approach issues in an unfair system was pretty warped. There is a narrative in the way past social and resistance movements are often depicted as the forces of good inevitably overcoming evil that makes it seem like if you are resilient enough and stay true to your beliefs without compromising your dignity you will eventually be triumphant. In the rare times the uglier details aren't glossed over it's usually framed as something that's behind us or caused by extreme circumstances we could never possibly face now, it feeds into the idea that because we've made progress the world now works the way we would like it to work and that our systems are strong enough to protect us as long as we participate. There's other factors involved in why many liberals think like this of course, but the way history is taught doesn't help imo.

This isn't an endorsement of anarchy, I just think your methods will always vary depending on the situation and in this situation you will need to work both inside and outside of the system because our democracy is not looking very functional right now.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

say what you want about anarchism being an ideological refuge for alienated teens that don't understand how to overthrow the capitalist system, but they definitely gently caress

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

VikingSkull posted:

Smashing limos is fun and all until you realize that it was a small business owned by Muslim immigrants.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/01/23/anti-trump-protesters-ruin-muslim-immigrants-livelihood-torching-limo/

And the driver was Hispanic :lol:

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

The Saurus posted:

And the driver was Hispanic :lol:

they burned a kulak owned limo who cares

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

jarofpiss posted:

they burned a kulak owned limo who cares

Not I, because I can see past identity politics to class - But for most Liberals, the idea that a muslim immigrant can do a bad thing or be part of an oppressive system is totally alien to them.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
Would have been nice if they'd let the driver leave the vehicle first so he didn't get cut up by broken glass when they smashed it up though.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

The Saurus posted:

Would have been nice if they'd let the driver leave the vehicle first so he didn't get cut up by broken glass when they smashed it up though.

driver started the fire himself after they broke the window

Bolton Hairy-Bore
Jul 31, 2013

yellowyams posted:

Many of them don't. As someone who used to share that stance until very recently, my perspective on how to approach issues in an unfair system was pretty warped. There is a narrative in the way past social and resistance movements are often depicted as the forces of good inevitably overcoming evil that makes it seem like if you are resilient enough and stay true to your beliefs without compromising your dignity you will eventually be triumphant. In the rare times the uglier details aren't glossed over it's usually framed as something that's behind us or caused by extreme circumstances we could never possibly face now, it feeds into the idea that because we've made progress the world now works the way we would like it to work and that our systems are strong enough to protect us as long as we participate. There's other factors involved in why many liberals think like this of course, but the way history is taught doesn't help imo.

This isn't an endorsement of anarchy, I just think your methods will always vary depending on the situation and in this situation you will need to work both inside and outside of the system because our democracy is not looking very functional right now.

Well put!

And you don't gotta be an anarchist to use anti-fascist tactics! I've heard tell of some Bernie supporters in bloc bashing the fash.

Bolton Hairy-Bore
Jul 31, 2013

The Saurus posted:

And the driver was Hispanic :lol:

And it was Jesse Jackson's limo lol

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

lots of misunderstandings about anarchy itt, like basic poo poo. and that's OK, it doesn't matter. anarchists tend to reject converting others through reasoning. rather, we seek accomplices through seduction
*fans self desperately* is it just me or did the thermostat break

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I'm part of a group that would not in fact survive fascism but I still believe in democracy and doing what's right.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

jarofpiss posted:

say what you want about anarchism being an ideological refuge for alienated teens that don't understand how to overthrow the capitalist system, but they definitely gently caress

anarchists > gently caress
ancaps> never hosed

Josef K. Sourdust
Jul 16, 2014

"To be quite frank, Platinum sucks at making games. Vanquish was terrible and Metal Gear Rising: Revengance was so boring it put me to sleep."

Of course people rioted. Trump told them the election was rigged.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

VikingSkull posted:

Smashing limos is fun and all until you realize that it was a small business owned by Muslim immigrants.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/01/23/anti-trump-protesters-ruin-muslim-immigrants-livelihood-torching-limo/

hell yeah, Red Alert Politics Dot Com. i believe this reputable news site completely

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

PleasingFungus posted:

hell yeah, Red Alert Politics Dot Com. i believe this reputable news site completely

The AP and WAPO reported on it: [urlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2017/01/25/thats-not-somebodys-honda-owner-of-limo-torched-on-inauguration-day-unsure-if-insurance-will-cover-damages/[/url]

maybe protesters should think through their targets before spontaneously smashing things :shrug:

LinYutang has issued a correction as of 00:00 on Jan 26, 2017

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

PleasingFungus posted:

hell yeah, Red Alert Politics Dot Com. i believe this reputable news site completely

Would it surprise you that the majority of livery drivers who own their vehicles are minorities? 'Cause it shouldn't!

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
By the way the limo smashing happened after the kettle was established and in a different place. Not one of the individuals arrested has been accused of any property destruction.

Fullhouse posted:

it's not illegal if the police do it, ESPECIALLY not in a far-right authoritarian state. you might wanna find something else to pin your hopes on

Well, in the past we've won multimillion dollar suits against metro cops which directly led to major changes in how they handled protests and protesters. Notably the cops violated many of those policies on Friday during these arrests, but maybe that should have been expected.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

PleasingFungus posted:

hell yeah, Red Alert Politics Dot Com. i believe this reputable news site completely

and yet still more journalism than CNN







before you start wailing on that keyboard, understand I know full well what's going on and stand by my statement regardless

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Idiot Lib: "People who believe in radical ideologies are naive! It's the end of history and the truth is in the middle!
Liberal Democracy: "lol ok take this sentient cheeto as your new duce"
Idiot Lib who enjoys cuckold porn: "Perfecto"

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Dreddout posted:

Idiot Lib: "People who believe in radical ideologies are naive! It's the end of history and the truth is in the middle!
Liberal Democracy: "lol ok take this sentient cheeto as your new duce"
Idiot Lib who enjoys cuckold porn: "Perfecto"

As an idiot who enjoys cuckold porn, I can confirm this is NOT the case

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