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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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I guess I’m rather late to this party but thanks to the OP for all the info. It’s a bit of a relief to read some of that, I come from an academia background and have been somewhat paralyzed about writing for fear of being shouted down for plagiarism if anything I ever write happens to resemble or somehow include any aspects of other things written previously. Seems like that’s not so much a thing with fiction. I’ve been resisting reading too widely lest I take that influence into my own work, but it sounds safe to set that aside.

Now to get over the worry that this story I want to write might ever be read or even slightly enjoyed by anyone anywhere. :(

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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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sebmojo posted:

Thunderdome is great for 'I just want to write some stories', people may yell you but it is well-intentioned and weirdly addictive.

I may have to take a crack at it just to see how turrible I am. I have already taken some more in-depth stabs at (notes for) this larger story I’ve had in mind, I just worry about effort vs return (not monetary). With the world screaming along as it is, would all that effort garner any notice (just readers, not trying to be famous). I tend to think not. Writing in and of itself can be worthwhile but part of the reward (for me, foolish though it may be) would be the enjoyment of others.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Phil Moscowitz posted:

What


Ah yes


One Above! I’ve never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it.


Wind that break from he own rear end; a shameful wind


Fangs of a wolf that make the bite marks of a deer.


Glad to see these wild lands have been tamed by the rule of law.


Fool of a took

I laughed.

Phil the Proseshatterer?

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Vulpes Vulpes posted:

I've been doing this with a writing group and boy, does it ever work.

Do you read each others’ writing or?

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Vulpes Vulpes posted:

Nah, we just meet up once a month and read the stories we've written that month aloud (and drink).

Aha! That sounds like a jolly good formula. Drink before reading for courage and after for the criticism.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Dr. Kloctopussy posted:

Mostly so far this has been ~real lit~ people (<3 you guys)

It took my brain a minute to figure out how you meant this :ughh:

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Thanks for that clarification, Naerasa’s post, while useful, was kicking up a bit of anxiety over the notion that everything has already been written so why bother. I have a lot to learn but still forging ahead writing notes, etc. towards eventually jumping in whole hog.
Definitely grateful for all the info here.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Just randomly saw the Apple App Store has a handful of apps for writers posted today if anyone is interested. Nothing too crazy, but maybe useful?

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Oct 3, 2003

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crabrock posted:

just lol if your fantasy doesn't have 100 main characters at the start.




and 2 at the end.

The Malazan Book of the Fallen did it, why can’t I?

Also :( that adult fantasy is a bad genre to try for now, my previous idea of historical fiction can’t be any better though :doh:

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Oct 3, 2003

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Naerasa posted:

I've been in a few writing groups now that have given me really great, pointed feedback that I've been able to use to improve my writing. Somehow, this feedback hasn't been mean. I don't know who told you that honesty has to be synonymous with meanness, but it's absolutely untrue.

This is the internet, it’s the only way we know how to interact.

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Oct 3, 2003

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anime was right posted:

write an entire extended history novel within your novel about the important events that led to the conception of the character you're describing. then throw that all away and write one to two sentences about their most distinguishing characteristics.

The old “novel within a sentence” trick, eh?

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Oct 3, 2003

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sebmojo posted:

In a sense video games are the new books but you dont write them: you play them.

Well both the Metro and Witcher series did it this way, so might well be the way to go.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Dr. Kloctopussy posted:

What if they look in the mirror....and the mirror....looks back

Don’t let your characters be rude, strike up a polite conversation and introduce themselves!

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Dr. Kloctopussy posted:

Sure, about what?

Am I about to get broken up with or fired?

Don’t worry, he wants to talk after the war. You have plenty of time to prepare yourself.

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Oct 3, 2003

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showbiz_liz posted:

I'm not saying he's wrong, just that I would have found it personally discouraging, for not-necessarily-rational reasons. It took me a long time to get over the feeling that if I couldn't immediately produce a flawless masterpiece, I really shouldn't bother trying to write. I only managed to start producing work once I got over the feeling that it Had To Be Perfect.

This is keeping me pretty well frozen out aside from notes and occasional brainstorming.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Guiness13 posted:

Not sure if this is the best place for this question, but I've got the crazy idea of applying for an MFA program. My problem is that my educational and employment history have been decidedly not fiction oriented. (Worked as a paralegal.) So, who should I be asking for letters of recommendation?

My first question is what you want out of it. I’m very wary of grad degrees without realistic expectations.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Guiness13 posted:

Realistically, what I'm most likely to get out of it is a rejection letter. Don't get me wrong, I'm enthusiastic about the idea, and I want it, but I've done some research into U of M's program and I'm not blind to my chances here. But, if I did get in, it would be 2-3 years of funded writing time with an adviser for guidance. And, yeah, also classes, both to take and possibly teach (god help me). I'm not looking for a silver bullet, but it would give me time and guidance, one of which I need, the other of which I want.

As for why U of M, it's local to me. As for why not any of the other, similar programs, I have a very good reason to stay in Michigan for another ten years. Namely, an eight year old. As for why not any of the other local programs, U of M was the only one that guaranteed a stipend.

Good on you for doing some research, but what comes after? Those 2-3 years might be nice (don’t dismiss the classes or the teaching), but the stipend won’t be grand by any stretch, so you’d have to figure out your $ situation overall. Just don’t let the excitement blind you to the work this really entails and where you go after. Is this a career path switch or just a break to do some writing with some guidance (which can vary wildly, I might add)?

Apologies if this is a derail, I just want you to be honest with yourself about your motives and plan going forward. You don’t have to justify yourself to me or anyone else here, just be aware this is a bit more than a lark to do some writing, and if I had to guess, the job market (which I would think would be a consideration?) won’t be lovely. I feel like I’m seeing the “silver bullet” mentality peeking through a bit, despite your claims you’re past it.

Not judging, just want to make you aware of the reality of the whole shebang as my warped brain reads it.

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Oct 3, 2003

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feedmyleg posted:

i looked in the mirror and noticed my own heaving voluptuous breasts which were like big balloons but boobs instead of balloons

Good ol’ boobaloons.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Krankenstyle posted:

my characters stretch out boobs alarmingly, as well.

That’s a different genre altogether, I think.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Krankenstyle posted:

apologies, meant to post in the non-fiction thread

Wait, if you post about boobs in there, does that require you either have them or have touched one?

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Oct 3, 2003

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Hubbardologist posted:

i'm the "permanent" lack of sleep

Be careful, someone might mistake that look for a sexual invitation. Possibly yourself.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Nae! posted:

I've gotten a lot of compliments on that, mostly from people who made equally-poor undergraduate choices.

I’ll add mine to that list. Well done, you passionate bill-payer, you.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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You should change your picture to the “he never scored” tombstone

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Oct 3, 2003

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Fruity20 posted:

that's the thing, i suck at naming things. i either have to rely on generators or mashing names together and hoping it ain't a curse word in another language or already been used. i guess i'm very conscious of being as inoffenseive as possible.

Blamfgoobles?

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Oct 3, 2003

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Xotl posted:

I got a story published in Ellery Queen and with this one they've used it as one of this month's issue previews, so you can read the first third of it online. It's a traditional Sherlock Holmes pastiche.

http://www.elleryqueenmysterymagazine.com/current-issue/story-excerpt2/

I've actually found this thread really helpful (especially the mega-OP) in becoming a better writer, so I wanted to say thanks to the gang as well. Two professional sales so far.

OP will take an as-yet-to-be-determined percentage, TIA.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Megazver posted:

I'd go with 'folk' or 'kin'.

Sounds like a mighty folkin fine idea

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Oct 3, 2003

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Nae! posted:

a guaranteed way to set myself up to fail.

Wait, I was given to believe this is precisely what we were doing here. :crossarms: Like, that could be the thread title.

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Oct 3, 2003

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feedmyleg posted:

Anyone have any advice on consistency in your prose? I'm approaching the end of the third draft of my novel where I've finally got most of the story and character issues ironed out and can start looking at the book as a cohesive piece. I'm worried right now that I fluctuate a good amount in voice and style across chapters, but it's a bit hard for me to notice it because I'm so close to the thing.

Seems like that would be the time to either leave it for a bit then come back or bring in outside reader(s)?

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Oct 3, 2003

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feedmyleg posted:

It's a test. Write the most disgusting erotic fanfic you can to show that you understand the true spirit of theatre.

Be sure to include “tasteful nudity”. Perhaps the actual phrase.

Remember, pornography is in the eye of the beholder.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Fruity20 posted:

I'm tasked to write a 15 page essay comparing and contrasting two works of fiction (I picked animal farm and the metamorphosis)....yet i never did 15 pages before. For many years, I've almost always wrote essays at the maximum of 2 pages, three if i'm lucky. Never had I even wrote a essay at this length. It's almost comparable to long short story too!

I guess I’ve always leaned to the verbose so maybe just crank it out and don’t restrain yourself, then revise? Outline and stuff first if that helps you but there should be plenty of material to work with.

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Oct 3, 2003

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Glass of Milk posted:

I posted a 3 chapter critique giveaway on Twitter and the guy who won sent me 95 pages he organized into three chapters plus a prologue.

Well played, Twitter guy. Well played.

Stamp in bold red on every page “chapters too long, please revise”. Maybe across the text?

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Oct 3, 2003

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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Now I get invited to fancy literary things where there's free wine and you'd better bet I wouldn't be smashing back free platters of fancy cheese if I'd given up because I sucked. I sucked for a solid 20 years and even now I'm not convinced.

So there’s free cheese at the end of the tunnel? I knew it! Fate was going to make my suffering worth it!

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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I mean Dionysus was a god so...

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Oct 3, 2003

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crabrock posted:

omg

It was hard for me to accept your free advice that I asked for because some of your letters were too small.

Feel free to ignore this sarcastic reply; I haven't published any fiction.

Size matters, bro

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Oct 3, 2003

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Doctor Zero posted:

If dreams are so influential why aren’t there more short stories about people’s teeth falling out? Huh?

Nobody has that dream, it’s just you.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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feedmyleg posted:

Juggs is a respectable publication.

:golfclap:

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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Does this qualify as the most passive aggressive thing ever?

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Oct 3, 2003

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feedmyleg posted:

To put it simply: a teaser, not a spoiler.

That's it. Give enough information that it draws your reader into your chapter, but not enough that when they get to the moments they go "Yeah, I know. You already told me that."

The chapter where the characters pull the mask off of the phantom to reveal it's Old Man Thompson? Title it "The Big Reveal" and not "It Was Old Man Thompson All Along."

But the second one makes me laugh a lot more :(

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

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I might be on board to do that for you, how long is it? Is it formatted I could read it on an iPad (not sure if I can do any markup there)?

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Oct 3, 2003

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Nae! posted:

It's 109,000 words, so about the standard length of a published fantasy novel. I can export it in the iPad e-reader format and DM or email you the file. I am not sure if you can do any kind of note-taking or mark-up in there, either.

himynameisdrevil@hotmail.com don’t have DMs, sorry.

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