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jarofpiss posted:fat bikers hard to imagine omgs showing up at a protest but i wonder which side they'd be on if they did the bandidos (they're the 1%ers down there, right?) don't exactly seem like law and order types
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:i would like to put forward a motion that we develop DSA gang tags an excellent proposal
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doing nothing is not an option doing what's been done in the past hasn't worked out too well at the state or federal level starting a true third party as an electoral party with its own ballot lines turns out to be a dead end because of the structure of us voting laws (fptp, ballot access) having a non electoral party mount active and aggressive and sustained resistance,* putting immense pressure on both democratic and republican incumbents, and later primarying democrats and using their ballot line for better candidates wherever appropriate or desirable is the best -- and essentially only -- way forward. also, that though it sickens me to say it and is no guarantee of success, it worked well for the tea party *eta including organizing, coalition building, rallies, etc in all states, and using good public speakers, simple and direct messaging etc. Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 14:23 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Ace of Baes posted:nice, I'll add this to the OP you may already be covered with slack / facebook, but for purposes of event broadcasts and recruiting, there's also meetup. it's super easy to use and v accessible, and in addition as a company they're promoting resist https://www.meetup.com
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lmao Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 04:31 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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jarofpiss posted:owns. free getfiscal free / repatriate the LF posters
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that bit of bad grammar endlessly drives me crazy but yeah i figured it was intentional
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:For opsec reasons, sometimes it's best to operate with the minimum amount of info required. For example, if you don't need to know a members home address, why collect or store it? If you're collecting sign ups for something that doesn't need real names, let people use an alias or just their first name or something. is there an anonymous membership process? i think even the paper process requires (or at least includes) a mailing address
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Ace of Baes posted:I don't know enough to have a good opinion, but the people I know who've been floating around leftist orgs for years thinks it's a good idea b.c. it'd attract more normies I think? presumably the notion can't be to disavow socialism; so is the idea distancing dsa from internationalism, or it it something specific the socialist international has done or failed to do? either way its hard to believe most people know enough about it to care one way or the other. VVVVVVV ahh ok that makes sense Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 03:21 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Ace of Baes posted:I agree for small local races, but FPTP voting means after a certain point you just end up electing republicans who shut down abortion clinics FPTP plus restrictive ballot access laws. this still leaves a fair amount of latitude, though (as, unfortunately, the tea party experience demonstrates): it just means you're using the D ballot line, either by running what amounts to a dsa candidate as a democrat, or where that can't be done, laying the groundwork (and using primaries) to get the best non dsa candidate and platform for that ballot line
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has dsa made an effort to establish direct lines of communication and coordination to and with comparable parties abroad? because (french and other elections notwithstanding) it certainly seems as though the far right is on the move throughout europe as well. coordination of action and planning, sharing of resources, lessons learned and best practices etc. all seem very desirable in the age of trump, and more broadly in an era characterized by free movement of capital but high levels of constraints on workers eta: i'm aware of the affiliation with the socialist international; but, in addition to general misgivings voiced upthread, looking at their website, it doesn't appear they actually do much of anything apart from holding meetings and issuing various types of proclamations and other documents (which seem to be more topically focused, e.g., "SI Declaration on climate change", than action oriented) Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 01:55 on May 9, 2017 |
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Pomp posted:Yeah, my issue with neoliberals isn't idpol, it's that I, and other marginalized groups, are nothing to them but another market to be exploited. I don't believe for a second they wouldn't choose to drop idpol issues if it became more convenient. how you experience this may be driven by where you are when i lived in nyc, the fiscally conservative / socially liberal perspective, which can be reduced to "we really don't care what you look like or who you love as long as we can exploit you or sell to you" was very prevalent but down in the deep south where i grew up, and im guessing in many rural communities elsewhere, racial and other differences were used with brutal consistency and efficacy to divide people so that the interests of capital could be pursued with reckless abandon; with appalling effect for everyone involved (though obviously incomparably worse for people other than straight white men)
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Nitrousoxide posted:Joined for the memes, stayed for the class war.
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Ace of Baes posted:i think the dem party is really incompetent so it could probably happen pretty quickly relatively speaking, im mostly hoping it happens bc if it doesnt a third party is going to form and the us will still have FPTP voting, so well end up with a lovely GOP government until the dem party dies or w.e. fptp and ballot access laws mean that entryism is not the least bad option but in practice the only option, and, even if difficult, unlikely and rare, can be achieved, as the tea party movement has (unfortunately) shown personally I think it should be combined with aggressive organization of workplaces everywhere, large and small, agricultural and industrial, and including office workers, service employees and healthcare workers. afl-cio iirc has already begun expanding out of traditional blue collar settings, but iww makes a great partner for these efforts in light of their traditional one big union focus. of course the power of collective bargaining was hugely diminished in the wake of Taft Hartley, but what it would help to do is build labor class consciousness among a broader range of employees, and without something like that, and concerted efforts to achieve it, there's a greater risk that dsa and like movements/ parties ultimately won't succeed
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now here's an editorial the likes of which i never thought i'd see in a major us newspaper: Socialism's Future May be Its Past Bhaskar Sunkara, a DSA Vice Chair posted:Stripped down to its essence, and returned to its roots, socialism is an ideology of radical democracy. In an era when liberties are under attack, it seeks to empower civil society to allow participation in the decisions that affect our lives. A huge state bureaucracy, of course, can be just as alienating and undemocratic as corporate boardrooms, so we need to think hard about the new forms that social ownership could take. the piece has its problems, but in my many years of readership, i can't recall ever having seen serious advocacy for socialism (or something like it or transitinal to it) in the new york times Red Dad Redemption has issued a correction as of 02:25 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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R. Guyovich posted:he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes the context was a discussion of fears in the right evoked by socialism, not an endorsement of them, the chamber (also mentioned) or the other right organizations (and the point was around how unusual it is to see nyt publishing *any* pro socialist piece, not the particulars of the article) full quote quote:Still, the specter of socialism evokes fear of a new totalitarianism. A recent Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation report worries that young people are likely to view socialism favorably and that a “Bernie Sanders bounce” may be contributing to a millennial turn against capitalism. Last year, the president of the United States Chamber of Commerce, Thomas J. Donohue, even found it necessary to remind readers that “Socialism Is a Dangerous Path for America.”
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Karl Barks posted:i think people are too hard on bhaskar tho there are other things to complain about in the piece, i was just surprised it made it to publication
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on a national level, what kind of numbers (total members plus non member supporters) is dsa looking to attract and why? does it seek tea party levels of support (~10-30% over time) or a greater or lesser level? whatever that target level of national support, does dsa aim to obtain it directly as membership or indirectly as, in effect, a vanguard party?
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unbutthurtable posted:Definitely the goal is direct members, as opposed to vanguard poo poo, which is part of why internal democracy is so important. many thanks! was there any discussion around how the 5% target was chosen, as opposed to say 2% or 10%? sounds like probably not but i'd be curious to know if yes
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Hulk Krogan posted:A couple of the momentum people were just interviewed on Discourse Collective and they said 50-100K. many thanks for the additional info one observation would be that, if you're not going for a vanguard party type of role (which could include things like policy awareness campaigns for a broader audience of support, so that total support, including non members, could or would be significantly higher), then there's likely to be a fairly significant difference in the types of goals (especially legislative goals or election of officials) that could realistically be pursued as between a 50k level of total national support vs some broader percentage of the population as a whole obviously the membership is nowhere near any of those targets at present, so it's a question of what you're shooting for all in all, thinking about overall goals and how to achieve them in terms of party role and total voter support is probably something to focus on, whatever the substantive decision on these fronts
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I very much hope DSA finds an effective resolution of its funding and organization issues: Clearly, it needs resources, both locally and nationally, and they have to come from somewhere. But I also hope there's a great deal of sensitivity to how they are requested. The broader the overall membership, the more significant the impact DSA will have, but limiting membership or categories of members based on financial contributions is not an insignificant decision: (i) it will intrinsically preference those with an ability to pay and/or a willingness to pay for what may at first be an unfamiliar organization or set of political positions (it may be a tough first communication in terms of attracting poor voters especially, but even when I think of the factory workers I know, for whom affordability is less an issue, I'd really want to have them be able to participate for a good while before asking them to pitch in) and (ii) it will limit membership overall compared to major political parties, with which a person can gain affiliation and identification simply by registering. It's obviously DSA's call, but one possibility that might be worth considering is having (a) significant membership drives in some form, with members not having a baseline obligation to pay, but a means to do so optionally, and (b) separately, funding drives, requesting but not demanding contributions, and with options offered for in kind contributions (time, materials, etc.).
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Karl Barks posted:to get a full grasp of political theory, you have to read every book imo you just have to read settlers, over and over
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there definitely should not be another thread for this issue
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Venom Snake posted:Replace every confederate monument with a monument to john brown i hear there are some leftover lenin statues here and there if we want to save some money and time
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achillesforever6 posted:Also General Burnside to prove how most of the CSE's victories are just hollow shams from how incompetent most of the Union's generals were before Grant et al. georgia in general, and atlanta in particular, would be fitting venues for statues of sherman
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speaking of iww, is here a union / organizing thread on SA? can't seem to find anything
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Goon Danton posted:I made the jump and joined the DSA today, and this was basically my rationale. They want us to hide. gently caress them. many many people are probably feeling this way who want an outlet and a means of action but are unaware of dsa this would be a good time to build that awareness
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speaking of unions, what kind of outreach (if any) is being made to major us unions and / or their memberships?
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jarofpiss posted:also I'm just mad that his answer to us after the election when he was explaining his side wasn't "I didn't disclose because I lost last time I did" which is what it sounds like it should have been The printed statement upthread left some degree of ambiguity about the new bio, but if he put it that way himself he's made clear he was being deliberately misleading. Reasonable minds can differ about the organizing activity and its significance, but not about withholding information you know will be important to others, even if you disagree that it should be. Very unfortunate; hope it will get resolved soon.
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Syndlig posted:Update on the current situation: to erase this bitter memory you should each eat a bk noah's ark (a proud creation of our very own forums)
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Syndlig posted:I don't know what that is but if it's goon-made it's probably an abomination you're in for a treat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQqdf2hlek
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apropos to nothing posted:This One Weird Trick to Summon the Ghost of Stalin. revisionists hate it!
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Ace of Baes posted:https://twitter.com/CApuffin/status/901996558111064064 how many total local chapters are there? if there's concern among chapters covering 2/3 or more of the membership (looks like potentially yes?), the locals could always call a special national convention and essentially redo the election* *eta and it appears there would be plenary authority to do more or less anything else
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safely sodomized posted:im going to interpret this as glenn talking about ftfy
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Business Gorillas posted:are there soviet horror movies about capitalism? its a shame its so close to halloween but that's a great fuckin fundraiser idea bicycle thieves by de sica italian but still also there will be blood imo
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achillesforever6 posted:The Romero Dead trilogy are all about revolution and overthrowing the capitalist status quo dawn of the dead is a hilarious sendup of american consumer and general "culture" (watch the release version only, the directors cut drags)
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Business Gorillas posted:we have socialists in Cleveland again, Tristan Rader won Lakewood City Council At Large hell yes congratulations and kudos
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COOL CORN posted:hell yeah king killing association in full effect after last night
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no dolphins in either of those sources, v disappointing
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GunnerJ posted:Yeah that's not going to happen, lol. But thanks for the info. if you're concerned, just get the sauce / tomatoes / paste that comes in glass jars instead of in cans eta: even better make soups and sauces fresh, they're way tastier and way better for you
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