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Ace of Baes posted:added, anyone else who needs to be added lmk i havent updated it in like a month lol me, i suppose. dsa san francisco, wife and i joined in november but i didn't see this thread until yesterday.
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is anyone going to comrade pisspiggranddad's event on may 14th?
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Went to a socialist feminism panel put on by my local along with International Socialist Organization and Socialist Alternative. There were some tankies outside who had a less solidarity-based message and more a purity-based one. Inside was much better, though one panelist I think could have done a better job about a response to this statement from National. Still it was good. I hope we can keep up the solidarity with other socialist groups and build a local leftist coalition.
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Did a socialism happy hour. Tonight was announced on meetup and I met 3 people who showed up that were not yet members but found us on meetup and decided to meet some comrades. That's extremely cool and good and is quite inspiring that just tossing out a flag of "hey, we're socialists and we're going to meet up after work this day" results in new people showing up. Also met a Goon and acknowledged Goonness. Stairmaster, join and email your local, depending on size of your local, they may have a bunch of smaller working groups or committees that will meet on other nights of the week.
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Well... he showed up to happy hour/national delegate fundraiser raffle tonight. As far as I saw he did not buy a ticket and I didn't really see him chatting too much but he was on the other room so idk maybe he did. I did not get a chance to talk to him at all. It's weird, he's real thirsty for our endorsement and we are still nothing at all locally so even if he gets our endorsement we can't even offer him poo poo, we're enough to maybe canvas a single neighborhood.
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business hammocks posted:Is it likely this proposal will pass? lol, no. DSA tripled in size in a year and most delegates are not going to be from the people around more than a year ago. National has managed to do poo poo all to help any locals organize so there's poo poo all chance of the same delegates voting to first ask their members to pay like 8x as much and then give national 80% of their own members dues while simultaneously calling for a more centralized top-down model.
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The proposal is asking for at minimum 2x annual dues paid out over a monthly basis of minimum $10/month with an expected 8x-10x annual dues when averaged out over all members. Then the proposal says the split should be 80% national, 20% local. National would receive between 6.4x and 8x more annually than they do now if the general estimate numbers in the post are accurate and it were to be adopted. There are zero hard budget numbers justifying why national needs that kind of funding. They don't even give us a rough on "uhh, yeah we want 1 regional organizer per XXX members". They don't give us the regional distribution of members for us to judge the necessary number of national staffers, etc. How can I possibly judge their request without knowing why they are requesting that. Also, they primarily push organizers when imo, the first regional staffers from national should be conflict resolution and grievances because there's enough human capital at large chapters to provide that but smaller ones are going to either have no one experienced/trained or have conflicts of interest. I did actually just find this, which at least goes into things a little bit more into detail. Just started reading. https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZZ2OFzrquZK6Vt_Ll9W5kpLjX1PGagWnn8FjyGgk0I/edit fermun has issued a correction as of 10:12 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Accretionist posted:Walmart's a top 30 firm. Retail is actually more labor-intensive than average top 30 firm work and retail is more likely to split the load of a full time employee over multiple part-time employees, which I don't think that profit/employee metric captures. I believe the profit/employee metric says 2 part time workers are 2 employees, so it makes retail look much lower in profit/employee than it would otherwise be. Walmart made $6,714.40 profit/employee on average each quarter over the last 5 quarters. Walmart's full-time employee schedule is 34 hours a week as their standard, which is $15.19/hour in profit if all their employees are full time, and goes up the fewer hours/week their employees work. So they are fighting against $15/hour minimum wage while taking more than that in profit per hour the employee works. fermun has issued a correction as of 05:33 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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I did not go despite it being only 8 blocks away. I was making chili. Anyone going to the bay area DSA camping trip this weekend? I'll be there.
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Jul 17, 2017 07:22
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71 locals sending delegates to the convention! Pretty amazing.
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Jul 18, 2017 03:38
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big black turnout posted:also how do y'all stay so fabulously up to date on dsa going ons Online, I participate in our local's slack, the dsa rocketchat stuff, use my basically unused facebook account to check my local's facebook a couple times a week, and I follow everyone from my local that I can on twitter. In person I go to something once a week and my wife typically goes to 2 a week and we compare notes on any that we didn't both go to.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:37
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big black turnout posted:there's the rocket chat that I've filled the form out for 3 times now and never seen or heard anything from something like 50 new people joined today after there not having been any new people joining in a while, so I think there's someone looking at the forms now. My wife and I joined as a family plan, so we had to choose one of us to use rocketchat and also we only got 1 vote in the straw poll a few months back, and only count as 1 member for our local, and national just like doesn't reply to anything so I'm like 3 months from my re-up and since national has no system to account for there being multiple people in a family I guess.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:57
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I Am A Robot posted:lol so no one here actually knows what the spring platform is? https://dsaspringplatform.org/
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Jul 19, 2017 21:08
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Jaffe was at the general tonight and joined a working group. He's an active comrade now.
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Jul 20, 2017 05:52
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Ace of Baes posted:I'd take a socialist who decided to run over a politician who decided to become a "socialist", but who knows if he's going to regular meetings maybe he'll become radicalized, class consciousness is a hella of a drug. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer that too, and I have a lot of concerns about some of Jaffe's supporters. I just think it's funny that Jaffe joined a working group because I honestly did not expect that.
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Jul 20, 2017 08:57
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big black turnout posted:is there any rule against a dog being on the organizing committee? does the dog pay dues?
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Jul 21, 2017 04:00
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:which group? Conflict resolution. He said he's done over 500 mediations and has experience in training people in mediation and if the group is interested he can help train. She didn't get to be your proxy for much in the end, there was a hangup with passing the criminal justice committee, they had some language in their charter regarding the committee's ability to kick people out of the committee that people wanted more clarification on and then there were a few amendments from the floor so we had to push all bylaw votes to next meeting because of it.
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Jul 21, 2017 04:56
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What's to discuss really? Bob Avakian already told us who we support (Bob Avakian).
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Jul 26, 2017 23:23
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Business Gorillas posted:i think a lot of it is bellyaching but some of it is real Is that still the case? They only have like 5 or 6% of the delegates from what I saw and I think that'd track pretty well to proportion of members, though obviously NYC DSA is massive compared to every single other local.
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Jul 27, 2017 07:03
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big black turnout posted:do people actually use it? maybe im just in the wrong channels but nobody ever says poo poo People will talk in the #general, #random, and #twitter rooms, but not very much still.
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Jul 28, 2017 04:41
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Business Gorillas posted:i'm not interested in regional organizers until i get specific information on how they plan on recruiting them imo, first we radicalize the juggalos and then we recruit from there
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Just got home from a panel DSA SF had with Bay Resistance, SF Rising, ISO, and SF Berniecrats, plus there was a representative, Jovanka Beckles, from Richmond Progressive Alliance, a progressive coalition that was able to take control over a working class city here in the Bay Area. Plus there were some Socialist Alternative people that showed up as well as a few Marxists who were unaffiliated, and it was like... really good. Turnout was about 160 people, roughly 35 from DSA SF as best I could tell. Crazy turnout for a Friday evening Municipalism panel. Our local's publication livetweeted it. It looks like they messed up and replied to an earlier tweet at some point creating two threads. https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891108842179772416 https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891112967080628224 Video and audio exist somewhere as well but idk if they are online yet. Judging by Twitter, everyone from all organizations there seem pretty excited about finding ways to work together. It was incredibly positive. We've got 5 more of these we are arranging, different topics and different orgs each time and with this one having gone so well I'm pumped about next month's.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Dang, wish i could have afforded the gas to go. Maxine Phillips's decision to split her own vote by running as two candidates is a real power move, but it may prove disastrous for her chances.
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OhFunny posted:I wish more the DSA chapters had their Constitutions and Bylaws online for frame of reference. All I can find is the NYC-DSA's Constitution. Here's SF's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ap2tx7yJ0wUn_gMfDjq5kxHFdUXU89Jg2mxB9diZlmM/ It needs some updating because we all agreed in our steering committee that the way it is written on some things is not how we intended it to be. The biggest thing is that we elected an all-woman-identifying steering committee which is against the rules of the bylaws at the moment. There are some bylaw amendments we are going to pass to get that in order next general.
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I think that the on-paper numbers are likely to see some shrinkage starting in November from the people who joined but never went to a local not re-uping. The actual number of people who are showing up keeps growing though. I'm hoping for >20,000 extremely in the streets comrades in a year.
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OhFunny posted:Thank you. This is very helpful. We are changing a few things due to issues we ran into: 1) We restrict who can vote to active members, and only establish active membership through general meetings. We decided to allow people who go to working group or committee meetings to be considered active members and allowed to vote. When people show up to weekly working group/committee meetings and yet have trouble making the general a couple times, they shouldn't lose their voting rights. As such, we through near-unanimous vote decided that people who are active in Working Groups or Committees can vote in general meetings if approved by either working group/committee co-chair. The particulars of this are possibly changing as there are 2 main options for how we want to change this, either nomination by the co-chair as one, or attending 2 of the last 5 working group/committee meetings. The opposition to this was by some people who are pretty parliamentarian and think that we should've changed the bylaws before allowing that. 2) As our bylaws are written, the Steering Committee has to facilitate all general meetings themselves. It takes a lot of work to be on the Steering Committee and we want more than just the same few people facilitating all the time. The Steering Committee was given the authority to find facilitators instead of having to do it themselves every time. I think this was unopposed. 3) We elected an all woman-identifying Steering Committee. The understanding from the bylaws-writing working group was that banning this was result was unintended and that the purpose of the language had been to prevent two men as co-chairs. By unanimous vote we decided to ignore this part of our bylaws and correct the bylaws to match intention afterwards. When is your bylaw drafting meeting? Ours was intense.
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The full delegate list along with their self-written bios were given 6 days before the convention started along with like 60 pages of proposals and amendments and the delegates were also overwhelmed with the platforms of the two larger slates. It was a lot of material to sort through in such a short time much less vetting outside of provided materials. Give no time to do any vetting and get a NPC member who wouldn't have been voted in if they'd been vetted.
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Aug 8, 2017 00:15
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Shear Modulus posted:when we have built socialism all phone plans will be unlimited We will have unlimited texting and data, phone minutes will be harshly rationed to prevent the bourgeois excess of calling someone when it's not a god damned emergency.
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Serf posted:i suck at texting. i just call people First against the wall.
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Larry Parrish posted:What exactly is good about Texas besides the oil fields anyway. It's hot and humid and a lot of dumb assholes move there to act like it's 1870 still Then next year let's act like it's 1871 and bring about the Paris, Texas Commune.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Lot of cops in this thread We're all coprades here.
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Howard Zinn posted:With the Establishment's inability either to solve severe economic problems at home or to manufacture abroad a safety valve for domestic discontent, Americans might be ready to demand not just more tinkering, more reform laws, another reshuffling of the same deck, another New Deal, but radical change. Let us be Utopian for a moment so that when we get realistic again it is not that "realism" so useful to the Establishment in its discouragement of action, that "realism" anchored to a certain kind of history empty of surprise. Let us imagine what radical change would require of us all. I don't necessarily agree with 100% of Zinn here, but I think it's important we be utopian to some degree with our socialism.
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Professor Bling posted:Yeah see this is what I was hoping to hear but I guess "no national platform" is better than "NYC and SF said no so no guns" gently caress off. SF DSA is not anti-gun as a chapter.
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Serf posted:city people ain't gonna take up farming imo We should make them, comrade! It would be a / cultural revolution!
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Larry Parrish posted:It is p weird that i guess candidates weren't required to provide any kind of deep background on themselves and nobody else bothered and now people are upset that nobody bothered to look things up for them before they voted National gave delegates 6 days to read all the candidate provided material and all material on everything to be voted on.
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Didn't DSA National staff just organize under CWA last month? DSA National needs to publish some poo poo about how CWA is a reactionary organization. Let's get beef going with everyone
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